Sep 15-04

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Photo by Rick Anderson

By
Mary Drew at Pasty Central on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:43 am:

Soaring up among the clouds, courtesy of Skypixs, we take an airy look at the beginnings of color sprouting in the Keweenaw. Just for funsies (humor me here now!), can anyone identify where we are? Now don't get silly and answer 'up in the air', because that's obvious. Rick Anderson is our pilot and I have to admit, if he hadn't told me where this was, I'd have had a tough time figuring it out, but then, I've always been a bit geographically illiterate. First correct answer gets an icon award on your winning message. Let the guessing begin...


By NKR Mishawaka IN on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:49 am:

I haven't been up there in 45 years so I'll have to pass on guessing but it sure is pretty. Have a good day everyone.
First Post


By Debi, Laurium on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:49 am:

Boy, you're up early today, Mary! Would this be Cliff Drive between Ahmeek and Phoenix?

Somehow we missed that Deb here, had the correct answer first, so both Deb and Ned get the graphic!! Maybe it had something to do with being up SO early! :->
Correct!


By Karen... on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:57 am:

Rt 26, just below Houghton/Hancock.


By Ned, Kingsford. on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:07 am:

It is Cliff Drive between Ahmeek and Phoenix. M26/US41 can be be seen in the distance coming down the hill from Mohawk.
Correct!


By Cindy, St. Clair Shores, MI on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:16 am:

I just checked the Foliage Network report and it doesn't seem very accurate according to today's picture. http://www.foliagenetwork.com/reports/midwest_us/ It's been a month already since we were in Copper Country and I sure wish I could be back to see the peak of color.


By Marko in Columbus Ohio on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:31 am:

Ned is right !!!! It's just past Seneca Lake !!!
Caught many a sunfish in the day !! Seeing as how Ahmeek is just a bike ride away on a sunny summer day.


By Margaret, Amarillo TX on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:36 am:

Mornin', it'll be good to see who gets he icon.


By smf in troll land on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:47 am:

Good morning everyone!


By Kalle in Chicagoland on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:57 am:

Ned is correct, Cliff Drive, heading north from Ahmeek towards Phoenix.


By Marko on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:13 am:

..oh yeah, almost forgot to mention that is a great place to go hunting along that road.....had many good days with Dad doing that.....


By Frank, St. Charles IL on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:14 am:

Terrific shot, Rick! It gives a new perspective to the size and scale of the hills and bluffs there I've never been able to get a feel for from road-level.


By Jim R, Royal Oak on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:32 am:

No idea, but sure wish I was in the U.P. now. Two more weeks and counting!


By keweenaw lover on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:33 am:

if it is cliff, there is a way you can drive to the top which my cousin called the All American Highway. It was totally rough. we went in there with two jeeps, and you would not want to be less equipped. Drove through huge puddles, bounced over rock piles, but when we reached the top.....


By James - Il on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:44 am:

Hi All,

Keweenaw lover... your correct....I have driven up there though it was in the '70's when I lived in Eagle River. I had a 1950 Dodge pickup and it was very rough. I bottomed out once going through a large water hole and put a dent in my oil pan, but it was fun.

We leave on Thursday for Eagle Harbor


By John Jacob on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:47 am:

Strange But True
non-dairy creamer is flammable


By M.B., IL-WI-MI on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:48 am:

To all the locals: When do you think the fall colors will peak this year in the Keweenaw?

Last weekend of September?

First weekend of October?

Different time?

I was planning a weekend trip up north with a friend and we do not want to miss out on them. Thanks!


By Therese from just below the bridge on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:49 am:

Dont know where it is, but Mom and I will explore and find it while we are in Copper Harbor this weekend. Or maybe not.... Mom is 87, and both she and my car aren't up to a rough ride. (And maybe not me either, any more.) Glad to know we will see a bit of color, but it is beautiful whatever season we come. And glad we aren't in New Orleans, waiting for the wall of water to descend from Ivan. God help those in the storm's path!


By Bill, Tucson, Arizona on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:49 am:

Thanks for all the great pics. You provide a never ending supply of wallpaper for us displaced Yoopers who long to be "home". Any pic from the Keweenaw is fine with me...


By Roudy Mi on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:09 am:

JJ so is flour,sugar,magnesium,wood,coal,and undergarmets. That doesn't seem all that unusual,the stuff is dry or are you talking about a liquid?


By Marsha, Genesee/Aura on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:11 am:

What was the wave height when the Edmund Fitzgerald went down? Hearing about the waves with the recent hurricanes makes me wonder. Who can let me know? Hot and semi-miserable in my classroom this morning, but I think it breaks tomorrow. Hope that's it for 85 degrees for the summer! Have a great day!


By Skylar in Wi on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:25 am:

I think it is the cliff drive also. Looks like the peak will happen before we get up there in October, but that is o.k. Have good day everyone. Later, Skylar.


By Kate, CA on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:32 am:

What a great photo! Looks like a tapestry....Do you think Rick would do a comparison photo when the colors are at their peak? That would be cool! Friends have said that the first week of Oct.is usually peak color.


By Curious on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:33 am:

Looking at this photo makes me wonder how much
higher the Keweenaw rift was before any glacial action. any experts out there?


By Deb Diver, MI on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:35 am:

According to the Edmond home page
http://www.ssefo.com/ the waves were 30 foot.
From reading various accounts including that of the captain of the Arthur M. Anderson, the Fitz was hit by 2 or 3 (The three sisters) 30-35 foot waves that hit one after the other


By yooper at college, Grand Forks, ND on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:37 am:

Kate I agree a comparison photo would be cool, but Ill take pictures of any color seeing as how I wont be back to the u.p. til thanksgiving and by then the color will most likely be WHITE :)


By Rose, Illinois on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:40 am:

I think the waves were at least 30 ft high when the Edmund Fitzgerald went down. I'm kind of a nut on the subject. Have you ever been to the shipwreck museum at Whitefish Point? Definitely worth the trip!

I found a great website for anyone who likes to know where the oreships are on the great lakes at any given time; here's the link:
http://www.boatnerd.com/
Just click on Vessel Passage and Great Lakes Ship Locations. I've been tracking the Arthur M. Anderson for some time! (That's the one who was the last to see and talk with the Edmund Fitzgerald in the big storm)


By ywb/yooperwannabe/richmond on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:41 am:

I am so hoping for nice weather this weekend. I don't care what the temp is, I just want some sunshine so I can enjoy the colors. What does it look like up in Marquette? We leave on Friday! Only up for the weekend, but it is better than being home!!!
Have a great rest of the week!


By Dan in Fenton, MI on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:53 am:

Hi Mary. You just reminded me about playing marbles for "funsies" and not for keeps.


By F'cubed FinnFor Fun on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:01 am:

Hyvää päivää, Mitä kuuluu?

Hope all is good in the UP.

Näkemiin


By Upbama@aol.com on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:10 am:

Were batting down the hatches in BHAM.ALABAMA waiting the winds from IVAN estimating to be 50 to 60 knots tomorrow night and Friday. Schools are all closeing, the run on the stores for batteries, milk, gas propane is in full gear.I'll take the snow storms any time at least the snow storms don't bring destrution so will retire some day to EAGLE HARBOR in the near future. If IVAN continues on schedule the lower part of ALABAMA will be devastated. I 65 out of MOBILE, all 4 lanes are open heading NORTH.


By Chuck @ Little Betsy on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:18 am:

Hey come on U.P. we made it to Little Betsy, weather is rain but will take it over Detroit any day, nice pic today, dad and I are crusin the CC today! We need more propane, send $


By John Jacob on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:37 am:

What happens if you put this side up face down while popping microwave popcorn?

You know the expression, "Don't quit your day job?" Well what do you say to
people that work nights?

Why isn't chocolate considered a vegetable, if chocolate comes from cocoa beans, and all beans are a vegetable?

In that song, she'll be coming around the mountain, who is she?

Can you breathe out of your nose and mouth at the same time?


By M+M man on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:18 am:

JJ

Cocoa beans are actually found in cocoa pods, containing masses of white, lima bean looking, very slimy immature seeds.

Washed and roasted,to finally arrive at something we'd want to eat.


By finlander, painesdale on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:25 am:

Irregardless of what you may think, it is not a word as it exhibits a double negative, although you tend to hear this word quite often. Come to think of it, when something unravels, does that mean the fibers join back together?


By Tom...Calumet on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:44 am:

finlander...ever put something frozen in the fridge to "unthaw"??


By Capt. Paul in Nevada on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:46 am:

Good morning to all!!

I hope the colours aren't all gone by October 7-10 because that's when Dr. Nat and I are coming up there. Sure would hate to miss a Keweenaw colour show.

I've spent many a day hiking around those cliffs in the picture today, both in search of minerals and animals. I recognize that area in the pic, unfortunitely, I would have to up and awake at 2:43 am to post the correct answer ;-) A lot of history is also in those cliffs; some of that history actually ties in well with yesterday's picture up at Clark believe it or not.....


By CJ in MN on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:52 am:

finlander: What are you talking about?????


By kathy, IN on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:10 am:

Finlander,
I always wonder why one would need a hot water heater, why heat hot water


By finlander, painesdale on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:11 am:

Tom - I haven't but some people claim they do. One should do the opposite (fridge to freezer) if they want to "unthaw" right? I remember when we got our first microwave when I was a kid and my mother was irritated because she could not find the "thaw out" selection. We told her "defrost" may work just as well. I am sure we have all "itched" a bug bite though right?


By Dr. Nat in Nevada on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:17 am:

Good morning everyone!

Curious: The rocks of the Midcontinent Rift System actually were not much higher prior to glacial erosion. After the rifting event, a shallow sea covered the area depositing rocks like limestone and burying the rift. During the last ice age (when about 3 km of ice covered the Keweenaw Peninsula), the glaciers eroded these younger rocks, revealing the rocks that formed in the rift once again. Only a little bit of the limestone remains in the western UP, located at the appropriately named Limestone Mountain. I think Capt. Paul could probably provide directions to Limestone Mountain if you would want to see it.
The rocks that fill the Midcontinent Rift System are mostly basalt, a volcanic rocks (picture the stuff that is erupted from the Hawaiian volcano). There are about 5 km of basalt under Houghton, which is near the edge of the rift. In the center of the rift, under Lake Superior, there are about 25 km of basalt.


By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:35 am:

Wow- We are all so pensive today...

Hope all have a good day! Here in Houston, we are welcoming the folks from our coastal neighbors to get out of harms way! God speed.


By Keweenaw lover on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:44 am:

theresa from just below the bridge: If you were referring to the 'All American Highway' I don't think you will find it. I've looked again many times when my cousin wasn't with me, and I can't find it. Also, you do NOT want to drive up in an ordinary car! I wouldn't go up without two four-wheel drives!


By Mr. Wheatman, South end on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:00 pm:

Ahh the ethereal nuance of our English language incites a plethora of jocular observations indeed. Kudos on the banter, and the fine shot.

Wheatman


By fy on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:01 pm:

I believe you mean the "North American Trail", which is what I heard it referred to since the
late sixties.


By ? on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:05 pm:

Why do ships carry cargo, and trucks have shipment?


By Capt'ns dtr #3 on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:20 pm:

I will be coming up the first week of Oct. for my neice's wedding. I would like to rent a road bicycle for some of those days, or borrow someone's. Any ideas? I will be in the Lake Linden area and staying at Lac La Belle Lodge.

Hi to all my sistahs! Looking forward to a REAL colorful Fall season.


By Roudy Mi on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:23 pm:

The Dept of Redundancy Dept will take care of these questions with due diligence.


By Jim, Twin Cities on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:30 pm:

finlander,

They tell me that, although there are double negatives, there is no such thing as a double positive. Yeah, right!


By Riv on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:42 pm:

Ahh, the hues of autumn-enough to turn a young man's fancy toward the everlasting pursuit of O.v.borealis.


By When I can't sleep on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:48 pm:

Is Disney World the only people trap operated by a mouse?


By A finn Pole on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:48 pm:

Five Myths that my parents have relayed to me that I have learned to be untrue:
1. Snowsnakes
2. Sky hooks
3. Swimming after you eat causes stomach cramps
4. Sitting to close to the TV will ruin your eyes.
5. Getting worms from eating cookie dough

I have tested all of the above and found my parents to be quite the story tellers.


By Still wondering........... on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:50 pm:

Did you ever notice that when you blow in a dog's face, he gets mad at you, but when you take him on a car ride, he sticks his head out the window?


Do illiterate people get the full effect of Alphabet Soup?


By Rachel, wishing I were at Little Betsy on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:01 pm:

Chuck at Little Betsy--

I'm jealous!! Hope you and Grandpa have a great time!


By sandstoneprincesslovely on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:03 pm:

Isn't it interesting how things look from the air? Different yet so very familiar. Great photo.
Love this site. Enjoy the trivial pursuit, esp. yesterday's...the monk thing and all. Great fun. Laugh til it hurts.
Sistah #3, is the arm strong enough to bike all over? Hope so. See ya soon.


By Smelly on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:12 pm:

Still Wondering, Maybe you have Halitosis.


By TLM on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:21 pm:

If a man does something in the woods,
and a woman is not there to see him...

Is he still wrong?


By Jim, Twin Cities on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:24 pm:

Did you hear about the agnostic who had insomnia and also was dyslexic? He sat up all night trying to figure out if there really is a Dog.

(Apologies to all who may have any of those afflictions.)


By ? on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:24 pm:

TLM

yes


By BT,TC on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:27 pm:

Chuck at little betsy....Paulson by chance? I hope to be up there cruisin the CC friday and sat...prob will drive down your road on my way to points further north.


By BT,TC on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:29 pm:

TLM....I agree...YES!LOL


By Bobt on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:31 pm:

Capt'ns dtr #3,

If you need to rent, look up bike rentals at the Keweenaw Chamber website from the link on the home page of this site. There appear to be 4 shops that you can start with.


By Joanne white lk on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:37 pm:

I don't know if this question was answered a few days ago where the Montreal Falls is, its by LAC LA Belle.


By cj Milford/Hancock on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:54 pm:

joanne - boy you really like this site!!!!


By d.peterson sheb.wisc. on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:00 pm:

i drive the cliff view road every time i come to the copper country. my brother in law jerry and judy own the vansnille bar in pheonix.i stay there most of the time when i come up there.


By Marcy/Arizona on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:05 pm:

James in Il. I sure wish I were heading to Eagle Harbor. I would love to go visit family, I miss the copper country greatly. I wrote a couple of days ago and asked where you are staying in the harbor? just curious. I like the rain on the live cams, wish we were getting some rain here in HOT Arizona. We are getting pretty tired of the heat. Well, have a good day everyone!


By Dave in Kuwait on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:21 pm:

I was flying from Detroit to Tokyo a while back and had my camera handy as we flew over the Keweenaw. I was able to get a similiar picture, just a few thousand feet higher. You can see the entire tip of the peninsula.


By finlander, painesdale on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:33 pm:

Another quandary - in all my years of taking saunas I have never figured out how you "throw steam". Could someone let me know how to manually throw a vapor??


By Joanne Of white Lk on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:42 pm:

C.J.of Milford/ Hancock Isure do only place I can go and someone will listen.[I hope]Ice Cream shop was closed last night. Is it trying to tell me something?


By Victoria, MI on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:46 pm:

Why do we drive on a parkway and park in a driveway?


By Joanne White Lk on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:47 pm:

C.J. Milford/Hancock
Don't tell Jen how many times you catch me on here. I'm supposed to be packing so I can move to Houghton.


By Donna on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:48 pm:

Dave in Kuwait...any possibility of you posting that one? Sounds gorgeous..the entire tip of the Naw!!!


By the Twig, MI on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:51 pm:

to John Jacob,

Beans are fruit not vegetables.

Any Kid who knows the rhyme:

Beans, Beans the musical fruit,
The more you eat ..... I think most everybody knows the rest LOL


By EmpTU alum, mi on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:53 pm:

To Finlander

See the above post about throwing vapors ;-)


By Yooper in Indiana Bristol on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:54 pm:

Looked like someone was renting bikes in Copper Harbor when I was there a couple of weeks ago,,, Nothing like the Keweenaw!


By cj Milford/Hancock on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:56 pm:

Joanne - Wht Lk....Don't worry I won't tell. Just get packing so you can get up there!


By Robin M. Sahagian, Gurnee, Ill. on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 03:05 pm:

We're leaving for the U.P. in about two hours. Can't wait. Excited to have a pasty at Toni's in Lake Linden. Usually we go up in October but thought we might have better color earlier this year. My parents were both born in Houghton and Lake Linden so I have many memories up there. They both now rest in Lake Forest Cemetery in Houghton. Be seeing you soon mom and dad.


By James - Il on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 03:13 pm:

Marcy in Arizona....

We will be at the Shoreline. Can't wait. I'm packing and getting things ready.


By James - Il on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 03:17 pm:

Is there anywhere I can get logged on using my wireless laptop in the U.P.?

Check out the Pasty.NET wireless HotSpots here: Pasty HotSpots


By Bob- b,#84 on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 03:27 pm:

Hello, Mary Ella-B,if you check the Sept 2nd messages you'll see I took a good guess (Skerbeck's carnival)picture.Do you believe I got loss in the Rabbit Bay swamp this July, what a walk! Good day to all.


By former local now a tourist on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:21 pm:

As a tourist in the seventies, my cousin's husband would drive me up the American Road to freak me .This was at about 30 miles an hour in a rusted out Blazer . We stopped once half way up to remove a tree from the road and he had to back up against a large elm because the brakes would not hold on the incline..Once climbing the top you could gently drive out by the Eagle River cemetary.Why we did not just drive in that way I do not know.. gotta ask em..


By t,wa on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:25 pm:

why is the plural of 'goose' 'geese', yet 'moose' not
'meese'?


By anon/milw on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:28 pm:

To Robin in Gurnee:

Toni's is in LAURIUM!


By Dan, from Copper Harbor on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:37 pm:

Where has Walter from Tampa been lately?
He was critical about the Keweenaw and us yoopers for all the snow we get every winter. Well the snow is a very beautiful thing up here. Now you are getting blasted by another hurricane. What does that make, three now in the past month? Let me think. I can enjoy alot of funfilled days during the winter, snowmobile, downhill ski, crosscountry ski, go snowshoeing, etc. etc. Hmmmm can't think of much to do during a hurricane though. Maybe pray? My house will be there in one piece when spring arrives and the snow start's to melt. I do feel bad for all the hurricane victims and what they will have to go through this upcoming winter. I am sure glad I am not one of them. I will say a prayer for you Walter. Got to love the keweenaw!!!!!!
p.s. sunny and 70 today.


By James -Il on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:40 pm:

Ok, now the next question will show you all how much I don't know about these wonderful computers.

Can I just get into the areas on the list and use my computer to get on to the internet? I use cable at the house but my laptop has the Wi-Fi in it which is what I use all the time as my computer is in a different part of the house than where the desktop is.

Will I need to set it up ahead of time? Do I pay someone for the few days I will be using it?

Ok, I know, but that's just the problem, I don't know.

Thanks

Mary says: Probably your best bet for more information about Pasty.NET HotSpots or local or national dial-in membership, would be to phone our support line, 1-800-327-0966, or locally in the Keweenaw: 337-0569. Those folks can answer all your questions! :->

p.s. You might want to consider Pasty.NET Lite, designed especially for Cable/DSL users who need access to local dial-in throughout the US and wireless in the U.P.


By John Jacob on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:01 pm:

Smelly,

That was a good one.


By referee on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:05 pm:

Dan, Walter P doesn't belittle the UP. He loves it, just
like we all do. Now be nice!


By Marcy/Arizona on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:31 pm:

To James in Il. my aunt and uncle( Barb and Don Koop) use to own the Shoreline Resort so I am very familar with it. I sure miss the harbor and listening to the lake and I love the lighthouse! have a relaxing and enjoyable stay!


By John,mi. on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:40 pm:

Dan, It is not nice to kick someone when they are down, or at least when their computer is down.


By Greta, confused and curious on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:43 pm:

Just found out today that a male ferret is a "hob", a female is a "jill" and a whole bunch of them is a "business". How interesting! Why do people say "let me see that" and then pick it up and touch it?


By Greta, confused and curious on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:46 pm:

Speaking of pleurals, mouse is mice, louse is lice, why doesn't grouse become grice? And I guess a pleural spouse would be spice!!!! Must be something to that.


By fish'nfinlanderinwaukegan, IL on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:49 pm:

pro walleye tourney this weekend?


By Capt. Paul in Nevada on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:02 pm:

Doesn't everyone know that English is the most screwed up language in the world?!?! Or is it just our "Americanized" English?? And then there is "Yooper"; I won't even begin to analyze that ;-)


By J.P. on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:07 pm:

In the 60's we would park on Cliff Drive, hike up that ridge, and camp at the edge. Always had a roaring fire and a huge ChannelMaster radio. The Big 8 came in real strong up there. We had to hike past an open shaft. Square opening lined with timber. Very steep incline, but not vertical. It was scary looking down.


By I think there was one on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:15 pm:

would that of been the Great American mine shaft?


By Wondering about Smelly on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:33 pm:

Smelly~ I hope that you were not being "mean-spirited" about the dog thing.


By Smelly on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:56 pm:

Har Har,


By bek, Fond du lac on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:06 pm:

I miss my daily treks to this site, LOL!
I'm glad I stopped by today : )

Why is there brail on drive through ATM's?


By Debi, Laurium on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:07 pm:

Thanks for the A+ Mary! It pays to get up early and check out Pasty.net! You should have more trivia-type pictures. Makes it quite fun and interesting.


By SarahK, MI on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:10 pm:

I can't help but think constantly about the people who live in the panhandle of FL all the way to NO. LA. It is amazing that we have had two wonderful weekends weather wise the last two weeks in SE Michigan and in FL and other southern states they have been in fear of the weather both weekends. I can't imagine the fear of worrying about these storms. The snow just makes me want to start a fire and bundle up.


By Curious on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:20 pm:

Dr. Nat your geology lesson about the Keweenaw is understandable .
But why is the Keweenaw and the Superior syncline curved and what force could of generated the apparant ripple of earth known as Isle Royale?


By Guess who on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:28 pm:

d.peterson sheb.wisc. wrote:

"i drive the cliff view road every time i come to the copper country."

And I bet you do that in a FORD every time, eh Don?


By Therese from just below the bridge on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:52 pm:

To Curious: Isle Royale sits on the back of a great hibernating bear. One day it will wake up and shake the dust from its shoulders. Then, being very thirsty after its long sleep, it will drink the Lake dry.

Mom and I are coming tomorrow morning; can't wait to see the hills again.


By downstate don on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:54 pm:

Thank you folks for giving me a idea where to find
the pasties. I am burned out on the Weldon's. Just
wanted to try something new like the Barb's CC
Pasties in Royal Oak. Pasties are pricey indeed.
But you figure you send for them and most of the
time you send for them, they have been frozen and
after a pastie has been frozen, they don't taste
the same. Will pay a little extra to get them fresh and out of the ovens the same day. Thanks.


By Dr. Nat in Nevada on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:08 pm:

Curious:
Isle Royale is actually formed by a distinctive lava flow known as the Greenstone Flow, which also happens to be the flow that forms the cliffs seen in today's Pastycam. Here's how that happened. The lava flows of the Midcontinent Rift are thickest in the center of the rift. This thick sequence of lava is very heavy and began warping the layers of lava into a syncline. The best way to picture this is to take a piece of paper and gently push it into a "U" shape. Imagine this paper is a lava flow. The cliffs in today's Pastycam are one side of the U, Lake Superior sits in the downwarped middle of the U, and Isle Royale is the other side of the U. Now why the cliffs and Isle Royale stick up above the surrounding area comes back to glaciers. The Greenstone Flow just happens to be a little more resistant to erosion than the surrounding rocks, so glacial erosion left it sticking up higher.
I hope this explains it. I am used to drawing the whole thing out on a chalkboard and explaining things with illustrations. It's a lot different just typing words on a computer.

I'm heading home from work now. Have a great evening everyone!


By flyin angels or whoever is dumb enuf to get in on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:20 pm:

My little doggie will climb to 19,800 and that might be enuf to see the entire peninsula. Will give it a try next time we are up. Note. The tip of the Kewennaw is the last of the uncontrolled airspace in the entire US. Just a note........


By Gus on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:45 pm:

Dr. Nat in Nevada,
Very interesting, Thanks.


By pj,mi on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:46 pm:

Forecast for tonight for Houghton and Keweenaw Counties. HIGH WIND WARNING! South wind 15 to 25 mph becoming west 20 to 40 mph with gusts to 60 after midnight. Time to battten the hatches.


By Capt. Paul in Nevada on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:57 pm:

Curious:
To answer the question of why the Keweenaw and the Rift is curved has to do with its formation. The Midcontinent Rift is believed to have formed from a hot spot, much like how the Hawaiian chain of islands are being formed The eruptions of lava from this hot spot followed a weakness in the Earths crust. In the Lake Superior region, the weakness happened to be curved. If one follows the Rift southwest from Superior, it can be traced all the way to Kansas and to the southeast through the Lower Peninsula to near Detroit.

So if we're talking about a rift (pulling apart), why didn't North America split apart like what's happening with the East Africa Rift and the Red Sea. As the Midcontinent Rift was becoming further developed, a major continental collision took place on the east side of North America. The resulting feature is called the Grenville Orogen. Had it not been for the Grenville, the Lake Superior region could have looked a lot like the Red Sea, i.e., there would have been an ocean much earlier than the one Dr. Nat talked about earlier today in her post.

What Dr. Nat said about Isle Royale and the Keweenaw is true. But of course, look who taught her Keweenaw geology..... ;-)

Hopefully this helps you out......


By Dr. Nat in Nevada on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:00 pm:

Capt. Paul:
And who taught you everything you know about rifts ;)


By Lonesome troll on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:07 pm:

A most interesting and entertaining batch of postings and a neat picture!

Good Night Mrs. Kalabash, where ever you are!


By Becky Copper Country on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:11 pm:

Did anybody catch the World Cup game last night. Go FINLAND..... They lost 3-2 to Canada. Canada truly played a superior series. However, I think I've seen half of the Finland team in the Copper Country or at least their names.....


By Therese from just below the bridge on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:30 pm:

Okay, I guess Dr Nat's and Dr. Paul's explanations were more accurate from a strictly literal point of view, but I still like mine better from the cosmological viewpoint.

By the way, doctors, in what area of medicine do you specialize? Closing rifts sounds like Surgery. Medicine on a continental scale?


By Curious on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:30 pm:

Hey you fine people in Nevada,
How come so much iron is found , and the oldest
exposed Earth in the U.P. is found between Iron Mountain and Marquette? Ever been in the Huron Mountains? I wanna be student !


By bobby, VA on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:38 pm:

re: ATM Braille signs

I have always wondered who is supposed to read the signs in airports, etc., "Seeing eye dogs only". :-)


By Paul, Wi. on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:43 pm:

World Cup was awesome! Ivan is terrible,
my father has a condo near Destin. Or should I say had? The fall colors are outstanding.
Will be there soon and enjoy them.

In closing this message board is a riot!
Everybody a card and well informed.


By allouezandre on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:57 pm:

To d.peterson sheb.wisc

Good to see that you finally posted.

We met at the bar. I'm the guy from from Phoenix (AZ)


By Ken and Mimi from da UP on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:38 pm:

Jim, Twin Cities, Did you hear about the dyslexic man who walked into a bra? My grandson asked me once, "What side of a chicken has the most feathers?" Ans. The outside. :>)


By Ken and Mimi from da UP on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:46 pm:

JP, we looked down the same shaft when I was in the LLHS (6th grade safety patrol day picnic trip to Ft. Wilkins). It was a really nice day and the sun shone right down the shaft, it seemed. We threw rocks down the shaft.


By Capt. Paul and Dr. Nat in Nevada on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:29 pm:

Therese: Being that we are geologists, I would think our field of medicine would be "beerology", the study of fluid flow!! =)
Actually, Dr. Nat is a sedimentologist/stratigrapher and I'm an economic/exploration geologist. Translated, she studies sand dunes and sediments and I look for minerals to mine.

Curious: The reason the oldest rocks are there is because thats where the Canadian Shield rocks are exposed in the UP. In most places, younger rocks would be covering these old rocks, but our friends, the glaciers, have stripped off these younger rocks and have exposed these old, Archean aged rocks. The oldest rocks in the UP, however, are found near Watersmeet.
The iron formations formed in a shallow sea at a time in Earths history when the atmosphere was becoming oxygen rich. Oxygen causes iron to be deposited in water, forming the thick banded iron formations we see today around Negaunee, Iron Mountain, and Ironwood. This, of course, is the incredibly simplified version. The detailed version of the story contains a lot of chemistry and technical terms that can be provided if requested.


By Scott, Mohawk on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:34 pm:

North american trail for sure. Entrance off the cliff drive is blocked by four big boulders placed to keep truck traffic out. However these have been moved by someone, past those though is an open creek, no bridge, then the climb up is not bad. They have improved the road in the last few years for logging and have added many new roads. Two lookouts, one to the left and one to the right. The one to the left is further down towards ahmeek and is a very rough trail with many mud holes to get stuck. Will take panoramic pics when the color peaks later this month.


By Capt. Paul In Nevada on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:35 pm:

Curious: I forgot to mention that I have done a lot of work in the Huron Mountains, both as a student and a researcher. Very interesting area to study, and a beautiful place to hike around....


By Svenska Suzy,MN on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:53 pm:

To Joanne/Wht Lake

I did receive some information back from Bob G-he knows how to find the falls. I know where the main road is but finding the falls is more challenging.

To Jim-Il: I'm so excited for you because you are so excited to be going to Eagle Harbor. Savor and enjoy!


By Sleep tight on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 12:15 am:

Good Nite Pasty People


By sblazek, Oconomowoc on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 12:48 am:

Hi ya all,

Who sleeps anyway? Thank god for all your
postings. Not only am I wanting to be up there
but I am also hungery for one of your darn
good pasties,

I just spent the day with hot and crazy art
students. The worst is 8th grade because I
have 30 in my class and that's too many big
bodies in a smallish room. Oh well, I love um
anyway. My point being I should be tired. At
least it's cooler now. Keep up the good work
everyone and God Bless you .


By kath laurium on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 05:43 am:

good morning from the windy UP.


By Debi, Laurium on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 06:01 am:

Hope you all got up on time this morning. Our power was off for about an hour and a half from about 2:30 to 4:00 a.m. Have a good day!!


By Dave in Kuwait on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 06:04 am:

Donna -
I'd love to post the picture of the whole peninsula, but it's in storage back in the states.


By Misty on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 06:10 am:

We lost power here in Ontonagon also during the night!! It is now on, but the winds are just blowing so hard!! They are to be like this throughout the whole day. I wonder how many of the fall colored leaves have fallen from the blowing winds. I am sure I will find out as I venture to work!!


By Sarah, stuck in Ohio on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 07:35 am:

Hey Chuck and Grandpa-
Have fun up there! Don't let Grandpa work you too hard Chuck!


By Donna on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 08:46 am:

Dave...the problem is??? :D


By Dr. Nat in Nevada on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 11:06 am:

Therese from just below the bridge:
In geology, there are suture zones that sometimes close rifts, so I guess it is a lot like large-scale medicine. Actually, what Capt. Paul said was right. I am a geologist. I've allegedly specialized in sedimentology and stratigraphy, although I am really just an old fashioned jack-of-all-trades geologist. I've done mining geology, I've studied volcanoes, I've studied sand dunes, and I've even studied climate a time or two. I was a professional student for a while, earning my degrees in geology and taking enough classes to be about one class shy of having degrees in Biology and History.
By the way, I like your explanation of Isle Royale, too. :)



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