Sep 14-04

Past-E-Mail: Cam Notes - 2004: Sep: Sep 14-04
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Mary Drew at Pasty Central on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 04:46 am:

Looking through the archives, I came across a request from Aug. 1999, asking for pictures of the Clark Mine. Then searching a bit further, I only find one such photo back in April 2003, taken by the late, great Dan Urbanski during the winter months. Now, it just so happens that my hubby and I spent some time exploring the Copper Harbor area a couple weekends ago and guess what I snapped a couple shots of? Yep, the Clark Mine sign and it's stone chimney. For those of you (like me) who are bifocally challenged, the sign reads:

Site of the Old Clark Mine - The Clark Mine was incorporated on Dec. 19, 1853, and work periodically until it's closing in 1901. Some known production records are listed below:

1858 - 187,915 lbs. of copper.
1871 - 160,000 lbs. of manganese ore
1873 - 80,000 lbs. of manganese ore
1874 - 120,000 lbs. of copper

The deepest shaft is 300 ft. with several adits. In 1864 copper was worth 46 a lb.
Getting up close and personal with the chimney shows the detail of the work that went into erecting such a structure still reaching for the sky, holding it's place in the area's history.
Axel Riemer, OH on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 05:07 am:

Whoop, first post, first time! see what staying up late and studying can get you:) cheers from Case Western down in Cleveland, may we get color soon!
First Post

By Charlie at Pasty Central on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 05:14 am:

Hey Axel - are you the Riemer brother who made a guest appearance on the Pasty Cam back in '99?

Emily and Axel
From the Archives
by Peg Riemer

maijamI on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 06:24 am:

Ooh, what it must have been like there in 1853!

By DB, Marquette on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 06:34 am:

Does anybody know who the Clark in its name was? This is a neat spot in a great location.

By smf in troll land on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 06:42 am:

Good morning everyone.

By S. Ruspakka, Port Harcourt Nigeria on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 06:56 am:

Hello everyone! Just wanted to give a shout out from a misplaced Yooper living in Nigeria!

Being so far away from the UP it's great to have a website like this to refresh my "yooper spirit" :)

Anyone living in the UP this fall will have to go outside and take a deep breath of autumn air for me . .. . this will be my first year with out it :(

By NKR Mishawaka IN on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 06:57 am:

Good morning from Mishawaka IN. Wonderful pictures Mary. Have a good day everyone.

By Ken, Kalamazoo, MI on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 07:18 am:

Good morning from Kalamazoo. It's warm and humid here this morning.

By Don Monroe, MI on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 07:20 am:

I am leaving this Friday for a week in the L'Anse/Baraga area. I will be travelling with two friends who have never been to the U.P before. What is the best place in the L'Anse & Baraga area for them to 'experience' a pasty? I will also
be taking them to the Hilltop for a sweet roll and coffee for one morning.

The "Best" place in L'Anse to 'experience' a pasty, is where you'll be partaking of your sweet roll and coffee,
The Hilltop Restaurant in L'Anse, serving Pasty Central pasties!


By joe on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 07:25 am:

Good Morning

Great Picture , It's great to see structures that old still standing. It really says alot about the craftmanship that was used to build them.


By Charlotte, Mishawaka, IN on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 07:44 am:

Good morning and have a good day.

By Margaret, Amarillo TX on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 07:46 am:

Mornin', already 69 here in West Texas.

By James - Il on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 07:59 am:

I also have a picture of the Clark Mine that I took sometime in the late '70's or so. It is a stone smoke stack as well but a crumbled one. The sign wasn't there back then though. I think it is on page 2 of my guest gallery. See ya in a couple of days. I can't wait.

By John Jacob Jingleheimer Schimdt on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 08:00 am:

Today is a gift. Thats why it's called the present..

By JJJS on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 08:14 am:

John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt? That's my name too...

By Karen, Mi. on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 08:20 am:

Good morning.
I know there are many people here, who feel as I do, about the subject of the ban being lifted on shooting Morning Doves. There is a web site.... that you may be interested in. I signed up to take on the task, of getting petitions signed, in order to get it on the ballot in 2006. They just sent me the paperwork, and I have found many of my neighbors and family members, excited to sign it. Yes, even my husband, who is an avid hunter. Every signature is helpful. Thanks, and "good going" to any of you, who may want to get a few signatures yourself. :o)

By Tricia, Calumet, MI on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 08:21 am:

Axel Riemer -
Do you know a Dr. P. at Case Western?

By Kate, CA on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 08:53 am:

Hey Don....whenever we cross the bridge on our way through the U.P., my kids love to stop at Leito's pasties on U.S. 2. (They have ketchup too!) Always a hot one there and usually satisfies them for a little while.I'm sure others here can recommend a place near L'anse/Baraga...I haven't had the pleasure of a pasty from that area.

By Butler and Burbank, 1929 on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:02 am:

"South of Copper Harbor and north and west of the Star property. The veins bear N. 10 W. and have been mined on both sides of the Greenstone flow. Two veins were opened by adit and three shafts. Small masses of copper were frequently found, enough to give encouragement but not enough to pay costs. The recorded production is 187,915 pounds."

"In Keweenaw County. Mine was opened in 1858 by the French Mining Co. and passed through various hands. In 1900, after fifteen years of idleness, work was resumed. Was under option to Calumet & Hecla Mining Co. in 1905 and to U.S. Smelting, Refining & Mining Co. in 1910. An unsuccessful attempt was also made to mine a manganese deposit on this property."

By Debbie, Michigan on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:04 am:

Hi Sheila:

How does it feel to be back in school after that long time off with Frances? At least you finally have power!


By BT,TC on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:08 am:

Lehto's pastys are the best near the bridge....I plan to have one on the way up and on the way back this weekend......mmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Can't wait to be in the UP again this weekend!!!

By smf in troll land on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:17 am:

To Karen,MI
Thanks for the web site info on Mourning Doves. Good to know that we can do something about this!

By VT,Calumet on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:23 am:

Can anyone tell me which pasties are the best ones near the bridge? I've often wondered where to buy them and was very dissapointed years ago when I bought one. It did not even resemble a pasty. I don't want to make that mistake again. I would like to stop to pick some up for my kids on the way down next week.

By having fun in mi on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:25 am:

Whenever we go out, the people always shout, "there goes John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt!!!!" Have a great day!

By VT on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:29 am:

BT,TC, Sorry I did not see your reccomendation for Lehto's pasties till now. That place has been there for years, right? So, are they as good as homeade? I'm still wondering about all the other places along the way. Let's take a vote!

By Marsha, Genesee/Aura on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:34 am:

Testing 1,2,3. My last post wouldn't go through. Every time I clicked post, I just got the revision screen.

By sandstoneprincess on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:35 am:

To Bob B in Hubbell: Was off-line for about a week so...I am Mary-Ella!! Surprise, surprise.
Played the French horn for all those football games....well, I faked it 'cause I couldn't play
and march at the same time;) Those "old" wool uniforms were itchy and HOT in the summer, itcy and COLD in the fall/winter....but there isn't anything like yooper school football and basketball!
Have a great day Bob, and duh sistahs all over.
To Ernie in WA: got the sheet rock up, waiting for the mud guys. Wood staining this week and tile work, close to being done yipee.
To BTinLP: Who has the boat now??

By Marsha, Genesee/Aura on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:39 am:

OK, I'll try this again. Ruspakka: What are you doing in Nigeria?

Don Monroe: We get frozen pasties in L'anse at Hilltop & taken them home in a cooler. When we want to eat them at the cottage, we get them at Pat's IGA. Be sure to take your friends to the L'anse Falls and the Silver River Falls north of L'anse. Both easily accessible and beautiful in the fall.

By S. Ruspakka, Port Harcourt Nigeria on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:46 am:


Just graduated from MTU in the spring and took a job working for an oil service company "Schlumberger" drilling oil wells off the coast of Nigeria.

It's quite the adventure so far!

By Mary Ann, WY on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:46 am:

See where the temp at Eagle Harbor is in the 70's. What a beautiful day. Temp here is suppose to be in the 20's during the night. BRRR! There go the flowers.

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:58 am:

Tra la la la la la la

Good Morning from Houston! Nice and sunny.

By Kalle in Chicagoland on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:03 am:

To Don in Monroe:
I oft times stop at the IGA store, across from the Holiday gas station, in L'anse to pick up pasties on the way back to Illinois. They are always very good. No dining in of course.

By Sheila, Florida on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:08 am:

Finally back to work after Hurricane Frances. Schools in Palm Beach County opened for the first time today. Got electric last night after 10 days without. No damage to house, barn or animals. Cold air conditioning and a hot shower!! Tough getting back to work though.

By Liz, Idaho on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:14 am:

Smells like snow today in SE Idaho. But, we always move into a glorious Indian summer. It's a race to see who can hold off the longest before hitting the furnace firing pin. Until then, Cheerios in a Chook

By Don Monroe, MI on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:20 am:

Thanks everyone for the pasty info. Unfortunately we will be crossing the bridge around 4:00 A.M. We will try to stop at Leito's on the way back. We do our shopping at Pat's IGA and will pick some up there and take them back to camp. I will be sure to take my friends to L'Anse Falls And Silver Falls. I am also planning on taking them to Sturgeon Falls as well. It's a bit of a hike but well worth it. We will be staying near the little town of Watton.

By maijaMi on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:24 am:

Lehto's pasties are legendary at the straits. (Just west of St Ignace on US 2) They ARE 'homemade'!

By Capt. Paul in Nevada on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:35 am:

Ahh the Clark Mine. Many memories of going to the piles looking for and finding such goodies as copper, silver, and some very nice datolites.

The mine was named for Joseph W. Clark, one of the major stock holders in the Boston and Lake Superior Mineral Land Company. In 1853 the Clark Mining Company was established, but quickly fell on hard times and was purchased by Societe Francoise des Mines des Cuivres Natif du Lac Superieur (yes, a french compnay) in 1855. In 1857, the Clark was deeded to the French Copper Mining Company. Work continued sporaticaly until 1901 and in 1942, the Clark was deeded to C&H.

I would love to continue on, but unfortunitly duty calls so I will talk a little more about the Clark later today.....

By BTinLP on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:36 am:

Sandstoneprincess,I have no idea what happened to the boat,but it would sure be fun to know.I think I can still put my hands on a couple pictures though.

By joanne of whie lk on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:54 am:

shucks I was just building me a blind and looking for a site to put it to catch me some Doves, than I decided to shoot the two on my deck railing.(just kidding).Thanks for the info Karen. There a lot of people feel the same as you.

By Yummy, I can smell them now! on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:12 am:

Don Monroe, you can always call in a "to-go" order of pasties at Toni's. I always place an order two days before we leave, extra meat and half baked. I then pick them up late afternoon before we leave and get them home and into the freezerthe next day! With all this talk, pasties are our dinner tonight in the south!

By Dr. Nat in Nevada on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:17 am:

Good Morning from Vegas!

By MP on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:24 am:

Lehto's are the best!

By Mary Drew at Pasty Central on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:48 am:

Just came across a bit of trivia I thought I'd pass on to you all. The first two, pertinent to discussions of late, the last two, just the kind of thing that makes you wonder who takes the time to record this stuff! :->

On this date in history:

--> 1716, First lighthouse in US is lit (in Boston Harbor.)

--> 1814, Francis Scott Key writes "The Star-Spangled Banner.

--> 1899, While in New York, Henry Bliss becomes first automobile fatality.

--> 1972, Pope John IV, abolishes the fifteen hundred year old custom of
the circular haircuts for monks.

By smf in troll land on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:51 am:

Mackinaw Pastie & Cookie Company has 2 locations in Mackinaw City and they're very good (just had some when I was up there last week for the Bridge Walk).

By PFD, MI on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:51 am:

VT in Calumet....why not pick up some pasties in Calumet at Pat's, Louie's in Lake Linden or from pasty central......we must have stopped at Lehto's near the bridge on a bad day because their pasties grossed me out. Haven't stopped since. We sometimes stop at Jean Kay's in Marquette, too. Theirs are pretty good. I really do prefer my own, but in a pinch sometimes it is easier to stop and pick some up....

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:56 am:

Too bad about the end of the circular hair cuts for monks, they were so fetching. :)

By KM from AZ on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:00 pm:

I don't think any pasties can compare to my grandmother's (deceased) - Gertrude McKevitt or my Great Aunt Emogene's (also deceased) sister of Gertrude.

But I have to say that last year I ordered some from Pasty Central and they were very good. You can't find them here in Phx. To put ketchup on them is a sin!!! Good and dry I say.

Mary says: Gertrude McKevitt, now that name brings back some memories...if it's the same Mrs. McKevitt, she taught me 'All I really need to know about how to live, way back when, in Kindergarten! As she did for many a Lake Linden Hubbell kid!

By Axel Riemer, OH on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:04 pm:

Just woke up :) This is why i never get the first post! yes, thats me, sooo long ago!! as for Tricia, Calumet's question, I've never met a Dr P, but that doesn't mean he's not here still. what department was he from?

By LIZ, Pinckney on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:13 pm:

I agree with PFD. Stopped at Lehto's once years back and didn't care for their pasties at all. Will never stop there again. We always hit Lawry's outside of Ishpeming on the way up and back.

By Roudy Mi on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:13 pm:

Perhaps now that monks aren't using that style of hair cut it'll catch on with the younger generation. Praise the Lord and pass the ----! (you fill in the blank)

By Donna Utzman on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:28 pm:

Just got back from the UP. Second day back at work. I have quite a following for Stillwaters pasties. On the 4th of July when I was home ended up hauling 3 dozen back. This Labor Day Holiday I ended up hauling 6 dozen back. My friends just love them. (Course, you know some have to be for me.) I have them frozen and they remain frozen in the cooler(s) for the 10 hour drive back home. When you are ready to heat them, right from the freezer to the oven @ 350 for 1 hour. MMMMMMM

Have a wonderful day.

By rose, wi on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:34 pm:

hey ax,
so you were up late studing, huh?

By Jay, Gaylord on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:43 pm:

Since Karen brought up a website to ban dove hunting, I thought that I would give a couple website addresses that advocate hunting and it's preservation. For all of you hunters that are not part of one of these organizations, I encourage you to join to help protect the hunting rights that so many of us enjoy here in Michigan. Here they are: Safari Club International at, Ducks Unlimited at, U.P. Whitetails Association at

By Dilly on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:46 pm:

Why is a homemade pasty better than a Store bought one?. Why do some restaurants advertise home made when we know darn well it's made in the restaurants own kitchen? What pleases one person may not please another. Individuals all have different tastes. I think they are all good, but some are better than others. Guess I'll go have my pasty now with a little pat of butter on it, or maybe a big pat of butter. Dont tell me thats no good , please cuz thats the way (I) like em. PS. Maybe a dill pickle on the side.

By Louan-Elk Rapids MI on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:56 pm:

Pasty! Pass the pasty, Roudy.
I think the monks have suffered enough. However,a bad hair day just doesn't measure up to the suffering of making thimbleberry jam, I hear.
Do we have any monks in attendance? It would be interesting to hear from them, on the hair cut issue.

By shelly on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:59 pm:

Does anyone know why they cut thier hair that way in the first place? Sure would keep one humble I guess. :)-

By Roudy Mi on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 01:12 pm:

Come on, that was the shape of the bowl!!!

By dd, mi on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 01:18 pm:

Christianity (Tonsure)

Tonsure means to cut off someone's hair. Monks in the Middle Ages generally showed that they were monks by cutting their hair short (when most men wore theirs long) and especially by shaving a bald spot in the middle of the back of their heads.
Because you could not be king (or emperor) if you were a monk, sometimes kings forced their rivals to have their hair tonsured, so that nobody would try to make them king. Among the Franks, just having short hair by itself seems to have been enough to keep you from becoming king. And among the Visigoths, both men and women had their hair cut off as punishment for a wide variety of crimes, as well as to keep them from becoming king.

By Darrell Oinas/St. Johns MI on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 01:22 pm:

Just a comment on morning dove hunting. It is legal to hunt them in other states as they consider them a game bird and there is a season in Michigan but it is experimental and only applies to a few counties and not the entire state. This is being done to study what effects hunting has on the morning dove population before a decision is made to have a statewide season or no season at all in Michigan. I am not a bird hunter but do believe that those who are should be able to hunt the same species as it is legal to do so in other states and I doubt that all bird hunters are going to go after morning doves due to the fact that most people are selective in what they hunt, duck, goose, woodcock, Etc. I do not want to turn this into a political debate as this is not the place for it.

By Darrell Oinas/St. Johns Mi on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 01:29 pm:

Pardon me Mourning dove.

By Roudy Mi on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 01:40 pm:

Many years ago in a land far far away Monks would transcribe text after text. All by hand. As is customary when things are done by hand, errors creep into the work especially when long hours are involved like the Monks were want to do. As they worked at creating new text and correcting errors, Monk Edward 1st. rose to the top like cream on milk. He was the one who was best at correcting errors in the hand written text. Everyone would send their mistakes to Monk Edward the 1st. Now with a lot of Monks generating a lot of mistakes Ed was kept busy. Memo pads and sticky notes weren't invented yet and everyone knew Ed would be the one to fix things. So as you'd expect brevity was important on notes being sent around the Monastery. Since everyone knew what Ed did and the necessity for brevity the phrase "Edit" was born. He had one of those hair cuts too.

By Shirley of Hartland on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 01:43 pm:

I know now2 what they do with the doves they shoot .; make dove pasty. I hope thats not to of a political answer.

By Tiff, OH on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 02:15 pm:

Can Monks like totally shave their head now? Cool! Like can they spike their hair? Punk Monks

By Love the UP and Pasties on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 02:40 pm:

Roudy! LOL doesn't quite say how humorous you are! Do ya write for Jay Leno? Cause you'd be sure to have a career there. Still laughing...

Yea-a-a-y for Pope Paul IV! Sorry, but that haircut had to go- leave it for the Monks in the Robin Hood movies.

Yummmmmm... LOVE dem Pasties. And thank goodness we all have different tastes!

AND- Let's say some prayers for those in the path of Ivan!

By Love the UP and Pasties on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 02:42 pm:

P.S. By any chance does anyone know how many mines there are in the whole of the UP? Must be A LOT!!

By Love the UP and Pasties on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 02:44 pm:

OOOOPS! Pope John NOT Paul! YIKES!

By rjr utica,mi on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 03:05 pm:

pasties,mmmmmmm, my grandma, mamie kinnunen(up da airport way) made my favorites. none of my sisters or even my mom could quite get the same taste. i like mine with mustard on the side,mmmmm.ric DBHS"77"

By Dale B, Lansing MI on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 03:12 pm:

On the topic of things monastic...
Outside a small Macedonian village close to the border between Greece and strife-torn Yugoslavia, a lone Catholic nun keeps a quiet watch over a silent convent. She is the last caretaker of the site of significant historical developments spanning more than 2,000 years. When Sister Maria Cyrilla of the Order of the Perpetual Watch dies, the convent of St. Elias will be closed by the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch of Macedonia. However, that isn't likely to happen soon as Sister Maria, 53, enjoys excellent health. By her own estimate, she walks 10 miles daily about the grounds of the convent, which once served as a base for the army of Attila the Hun. In more ancient times, a Greek temple to Eros, the god of love, occupied the hilltop site. Historians say that Attila took over the old temple in 439 A.D. and used it as a base for his marauding army. The Huns are believed to have first collected and then destroyed a large gathering of Greek legal writs at the site. It is believed that Attila wanted to study the Greek legal system, and had the writs and other documents brought to the temple. Scholars differ on why he had the valuable documents destroyed - either because he was barely literate and couldn't read them, or because they provided evidence of democratic government that did not square with his own notion of rule by an all-powerful tyrant. When the Greek church took over the site in the 15th Century and the convent was built, church leaders ordered the pagan statue of Eros destroyed, so another ancient Greek treasure was lost. Today, there is only the lone sister, watching over the old Hun base. And that's how it ends: No Huns, no writs, no Eros, and nun left on base.

By trish, wa on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 03:32 pm:

our daughter is evacuating as I type. she goes to school
down there in Ivan's path. I wish her godspeed as she
goes to higher ground.

By dd, mi on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 03:46 pm:

Dale B


By huh? on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 04:00 pm:

Dale B-

Is that a joke?

By Bobt on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 04:26 pm:

It's a Hunny of a Pun!

By OH I get it .. on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 04:31 pm:

Dale B I should not encourge you but..Ha Ha..

By Candy, CA on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 04:35 pm:

Hey, Dale B -- my mom's name is Cyrilla Mary, so I'm sure she's a descendant...

By downstate don on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 04:39 pm:

Good afternoon all Trolls and Yoopers. Greeting
from the Lower State. It is about 84 degrees here
and sunny.

By Lanna, MTU on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 04:54 pm:

Speaking of pasties, I think I'll have one for dinner tonight as well. Bought mine at the Econo in Houghton here. Genuine Pasty Central pasty. Yum!!

By shelly/ on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 05:56 pm:

Good night. Keep the people on the Gulf Coasts in your prayers. Not much time to prepare for Ivan!

By CK on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 06:00 pm:

The MOURNING DOVE is an American bird with a sad & mournful call.

By Grimace on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 06:49 pm:

to CK , The mourning doves mate for life , most
of time they just make pleasing coo coo , but the loss of a mate will make them mournful in their call . Nature can teach us all on how to
live our lives and be happy.

By Tricia, Calumet, MI on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 06:50 pm:

Axel- Dr. P. is a professor in the Chemistry department at
CWRU. He's a pretty wacky guy. I should know...he tormented
me growing up (I'm his baby sister). Nah...just joking. He didn't
torment me. He didn't have enough time to! I was five or six
when he first left for college at da Tech. And Dr. P., if you
happen to read this...did I just make you feel old or what? :P

By Bird watcher on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 07:00 pm:

Don't know how mourning doves got brought up but I personally don't care for them. They are just glorified pigeons and the "noise" they make gets on my nerves. Sorry, I love most birds but this one is not one bit attractive. My 2 cents, not that anyone asked for it!!!

By flyinAngelstomorrow.... on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 07:45 pm:

Regardless.....just more target practice and though I am loathe to make a comment re: anything political, perhaps we can be the state that doesn't blow them away for fun, as we are the state that does not practice capital punishment....(Of course running a non-profit animal shelter in the inner city of Detroit, I could be biased.) Now if you want a "real hunt", become a Special Agent and track fugitives who fight back. That was my gig in the early 70's, and hunting was never the same after that. Maybe Ted Nugent should get a real job.......but I digress.......This is my favorite site...Patience Charlie.........

By Sadie on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 08:07 pm:

Hi Joey, I took the receipe to cook and she said we would try it, but we probably would have to cut it in half. When we try it out on mom I'll let you know. Thank You!

By Mike, Kalamazoo on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 08:09 pm:

To weigh in on the best pasties after the bridge:
After enjoying SUZIE'S PASTIES on the western edge of St Ignace for many years, I stopped to try Lehto's. Never again. Suzies were so much better, right up there with the ones I ordered from Pasty Central.

By sg/Milford on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 08:20 pm:

Keep those in the eye of Ivan in your thoughts and prayers.

Loved the dogs and the stones and the bus. My bus driver, Mr. Allen of days gone by, would have absolutely loved to have driven that one. Can't tell you how many ditches we pushed him out of in the winter. I still have to stop and smile.

By Capt. Paul in Nevada on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 08:33 pm:

It always amazes me on the post how we can go from copper country history, to doves, to pasties, to hurricanes, to punk monks!!!!

I love it ;-)

By Ms. Katie on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:32 pm:

Boy, I gotta whip out the wet noodle again, hey Dale B? Attila the Hun....groan! To LIZ,Pickney, I agree with the vote for Lawry's. Nothing fancy but 2 grandkids vacationing with us a couple years ago liked them. Maybe next year for me again. You guys are making me hungrey for pastys. Guess I'll whip up a couple later this week.

By PartridgePlinker-MI on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:38 pm:

flyinangel You seem to think the sport of dove hunting is immoral yet you speak of hunting humans as "real hunting".You`ve got it all wrong... It seems to me Ted Nugent does have a real job, as do most of us who hunt.

By Patt - Mid - Michigan on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:46 pm:

Another place to grab a quick Pasty is in Munising. Can't think of the name of the place but it is in a little white house on the water where the roads curves rather sharply to the right(the 2nd one not the one at the flashing light)as you are leaving Munising heading further to the Keewenaw. That will usually hold me until Houghton where I can grab some from the local stores that sell those that PASTY CENTRAL makes. Sure do wish lard was used in the crust by all.. When I make them I grind suet and use it in the crust & also some in the filling. SOOOO BAD for the arteries. BUT SOOOOOOO TASTY

By yooper66 on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:00 pm:

The place in Munising is called "Muldoon's"..... actually a very good pasty!

By Kevin, Lake Odessa, MI on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:27 pm:

My vote goes to Suzie's also. Excellent taste and you can buy them frozen if you want. Great for those of us with 300 miles to go. Of course it's always a good idea to get a hot one to enjoy right across the road. A hot pasty and a view of the big boats as they pass under the bridge. Does life get any better?

By John-Canton on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:01 pm:

Dale,VERY good.
Being a non hunter, still thought the limiting
the hunt to six counties was a good compromise. We need more of this.

By Ken and Mimi from da UP on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:35 pm:

Birdwatcher, my thoughts pretty much, too, on the mourning doves. And they chase the little birds out of the feeders. "Coo coo" my ---. But as is said, "To each his own." But, I haven't shot any.
There's lots of them here. As I type this the Mazda's in the body shop having a fender, etc. replaced. Two of them ran into the fender and sorta customized it. :<(

By Yooper girl on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:40 pm:

Tricia, Dr. P. doesn't LOOK that old!

By Bobt on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:41 pm:

After reading about pasties all day, I had to go to Barb's Copper Country Pasties in Clawson for a couple of fresh ones. She makes them with rutabaga and carrots and they stand about 3" high. The only ones better were made by my aunt Anna Moilanen in Hancock. She used to make pasties for the Kaleva Cafe.

By Joey, Olympia WA on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:01 am:

Hi Sadie,

Tell your cook to pay careful attention to the dough-it needs to end up very soft and pliable, not sticky though...remember it must be rolled out. Tell your cook to feel free to e-mail me if they want-I have some other ideas regarding veggie pasties that I would not dare post for fear of being lynched by the pasty police ;)

By The Dam Guy, Parasite Creek on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:09 am:

I don't recommend hunting mourning doves for the table. Seems to me they taste way too much like spotted owl...

By downstate don on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:35 am:

bobt; Do you have a address on the Barb's Copper
Country Pasties? Would like to drive down that way
and get some. Also there is a Weldon's Pasties on
Cass Lake Road in Keego Harbor. A good pasty but
a little on the small side.

By Alex Tiensivu, Georgia on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:52 am:

That Stone Chimney looks like the Gay Smokestack 500 years from now! (Smirk).

By Andytofu, Sedar Bay on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:51 am:

To Downstate Don: FYI, there is also a Weldon's Pasties located in the small stip mall on Dequindre and Maple (15 Mile)--not sure if city location is Troy or Sterling Heights. I much prefer Weldon's pasties to Barb's Copper Country Pasties (located on Main Street between 13 and 14 Mile Roads in Clawson). Barb's also has a good pizza business. Side orders include cookies, coleslaw, and very fresh antipasto salads.

By K, AZ on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 03:25 am:

Andytofu - we agree with you!! If we don't have 'homemade pasties', the next best ones are from Weldon's. We prefer them over Barb's too. Weldon's at Maple/Dequindre is Sterling Heights side. Enjoy!!! When we get back home to MI that is where we get ours. Thanks for the great site Charlie and all the hard work you and your 'helpers' do.

By BobT/MICHIGAN on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:41 am:

downstate don,

Barb's is at 610 S. Main (Livernois), south of 14 Mile.

By BTinLP on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:18 am:

Weldie has a place at Middlebelt and 7 too

By RPH on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:08 am:

We used to get them from Weldons. Pretty good but *way* too pricey. Same with Albie's in Livonia (don't know if their still in business).

Went to making our own now.

By Tricia, Calumet, MI on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:11 pm:

Yoopergirl - my brother is gonna get me for bringing him up in conversation and having someone post his picture! :)

By SDC, Ferndale, MI on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:29 pm:

My parents also prefered Weldons on Dequindre & 15 mile even though Barb's was closer to their home in Royal Oak. Barb does make a "mean" carrot cake though. Very good.

By ACR, IL on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 01:23 am:

Hi Rose, Hi Ax
From your brother in IL. How funny to be surprised by that picture today. I remember seeing it for the first time when I was in college...


By Axel Riemer, WI/OH on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 01:32 am:

Hey Tricia from Calumet
Guess who I ran into today when I was walking to class? Dr P himself! i only recognized him from the photograph here courtesy of Miss Yooper Girl. Funny coincidence, and he'd never heard of, so I clued him in:)

hey Alex, up late yourself, eh? I'm sure that picture will come up every time I get a first post, which i must remember to do on these early mornings..

here comes the fall!

By Bobt, Michigan on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 12:53 pm:

I'm adding a late posting regarding the Barb's vs. Weldons pasties. I went out and got a Weldons in Keego Harbor after hearing about them. They are only 12 oz. vs. 16 for Barb's and they have no rutabaga. I will continue with Barb's (better crust too!).

By bj-milford on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 04:00 pm:

Bobt - If you get to the Milford area, try a pasty from the Milford Bakery. One of the owners told me she got the recipe from her mother-in-law, a Mrs Aittama from Yellow Jacket. Can't remember if they have rutabaga, but they're good.

By Rich....Mich on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 03:07 am:

sorry 2 ....what about grandma,s t,s in neguanee. she has the biggest pasties ive ever ate.

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