This shot sure made me chuckle. Bob Gallun caught these two in the middle of a stare-down. I wonder who will blink first? They kind of remind me of the cartoon characters, Sylvester and Tweety, only in this case instead of Tweety, we've got Chippy. He sure seems to be displaying some U.P. Sisu, sitting just outside the window, stuffing its little cheeks with seeds, daring the cat the come and get him. Talk about being in the right place at the right time... that describes both the photographer AND the chipmunk!

Good morning everyone!

Good Morning

kinda looks like Chippy (is making a certain gesture) to the Kitty !!! He must have brass (knuckles?).

Good morning. Less than a week now and I'll be in Copper Country. Can't wait!

Great Picture! Looks a little rainy in the UP this moring. We had pretty good storm go thru Mishawaka last night. Have a good day everyone.

Serengeti

Spend three great weeks in the Copper Country (Calumet) but had to come back to work in the nasty state of Florida. Only have four months till I can return, counting the days.

...holy baloney...

can ya say.... rats

It's fun to watch the critters both inside and out. Glad someone thought to grab the camera.

Good morning from rainy, cool Houghton.

Chippy is stiffling a SCREAM......"I...TTTTTTHINK I SEE A PUSSYCAT"!!!....

Great picture!

This reminds me of the squirrels which used to taunt our cocker spaniel. Either on the other side of the window just like this or they would sit just a foot beyond where his chain would reach in the yard.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!

Caught a chipmunk in my baseball glove once,when I was young,and foolish.Those teeth go thru leather in a heartbeat and into flesh even quicker.Learned respect for Gods little critters after that,and gave everyone there a good laugh,watching me run around with a chipmunk attached to my hand!

Mornin', what a couple of guys just catching a few snacks (or anticipating one!)

Marsha to Roudy:
B+ (grade dropped due to lateness)

To Cindy in ST Clair Shores.

Might be best to wait! ;-)

we reached 55 degrees this morning and according
to our weatherman that will be the high for today.

Slowly falling temps now.. I read 51 degrees.

Feels alot like late sept right now...

supposed to start warming up friday with 80's by monday again.

Hello all!!
I've tried multiple times to email to find out this info to no avail...
PLEASE HELP!! :)
Can ANYONE help me find the original link to the Dec 16, 2001 thread where there was a very lively discussion re: the Old Apostolic Lutheran Church?!
I'm sure it got moved to another area because it got too lively and definitely off topic, but I'd really like to see it again to see what else was discussed...
Any help greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!
God Bless!!!!

If anyone has info about the above referenced Dec 16, 2001 missing info that's better emailed than posted, I'd love that too!!!
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a nice day.The cool and rainy day looks fantastic.Yesterday it was about 115 west of Phoenix,Its going to be cooler today maybe 112.Looks like it going to be a early fall or is the temps normal??Bob in Az.

I noticed the bridge was up this a.m..If a boat,ship wants to pass though how do they contact the bridge operator/controler??Bob in Az.

And yet ANOTHER perfect shot shows up at Pasty.com!!

LOVE this one! The cat seems content to watch and the chippy knows the glass keeps it safe! And yet they can't take their eyes off one another. I know- the cat is meditating on making the glass disappear! Hehee!

So cute!

A nice way to start the day,....with a smile.

If the Old Apostolic topic is moved, it's for a good reason. Only a few religions around here are somehow fair game to bash and spin tales about. Not appropriate "pasty" stuff at all.

Stupid questions of the day:

If Pastor Hart lives either down-state or in Florida, who, if anyone, lives in the cabin at camp?

Why is everything locked at camp? I wanted/needed to visit the tabernacle, and it was closed up tighter than a drum . . .

Is anyone doing anything about renovating the Big Brick Boat? Can anyone tell me the history of it?

What makes the black flies at 12 Mile Beach (to forever be known to my daughter as Flu Shy Beach) so mean? We weren't bothered by them any place else we went . . .

Questioning minds want to know. So does mine . . .

Thanks!!

Great photo....can just hear the chipmunk saying "neener, neener, neener"

Kathy from Lansing, I've wondered about those 12 Mile Beach flies myself for years! The deer flies there are bad, too. One year we had to literally run into the lake to keep them off of us, and it was freezing!

Very Cute.....who knows...maybe they are friends. NOT.

Boats contact the lift bridge via marine radio when they need a lift.

Greetings from Cairo. A bit cooler (99F) today. Cute picture, reminds me of my own cat, who loves to watch the chipmunks dancing under the shrubs, or around the swimming pool. They have a nest in the garden by the pool and tease my dog unmercifully, popping up and squeaking only to disappear when he's a few steps away. Friday afternoon, I'll be home, in Philadelphia and get reacquainted with the critters. Not to mention having a good invigorating swim. :-)

By she on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 10:16 am:
If the Old Apostolic topic is moved, it's for a good reason. Only a few religions around here are somehow fair game to bash and spin tales about. Not appropriate "pasty" stuff at all.

To she:
I totally agree; I just hope it was "moved" and not deleted...
I'm not hoping to see it brought back to "pasty" at all, just continued in a more appropriate forum.
So again, any help in finding it would be VERY much appreciated!!!!
Thanks!!!!! :):):):)

Mary-
Was wondering how things are coming along with people picking out thier choices of pictures for the 2005 calendar?

I'll have to rely on Charlie or Daryl for this one...can either of you give us an update?!
:-)

Delaware and any others who are interested,

I found the following posting on June 2, 2003 regarding the December 16, 2001 conversation. It did not indicate the page it was moved to.

"Some days on the Pasty Cam the pictures (or certain participants) inspire controversy. For the sake of those who want to simply enjoy a pleasant 'glimpse of life from the U.P.', we have moved the controversial thread of the conversation to its own page.

Please avoid inflamatory remarks or personal attacks. They will be removed."

I voted on a calendar picture a few days ago, there are just so many to choose from.

Would the mediator who writes on these posts in blue please comment as to where the Dec 16, 2001 thread re:Old Apostolic Lutherans was "moved".
Thanks.

To Bob in Arizona, where are you located? we are in Wickenburg northwest of Phoenix, curious to know your UP connections! I absolutly love the weather in the UP today! sure miss it. But, I`m sure all of you up there are not happy. It`s been a rather cool summer overall. I wish I was able to go up to Eagle Harbor this year, but not looking promising at this time. Have a good day everyone.

Finnish quiz for Tuesday. All of the following words are related. Answers will appear tomorrow.

Loude
Koillinen
Kaakko
Lounas

Loud
Crying
Krazy
Loony

Totally neat picture of the cat and squirrel. Both
a big tease in every sense of the word. Another
picture that deserves to be a cover of a magazine.

Hey, 46° in Houghton - is that a measuring goof or are you really that blessed? Right now I would give my last shirt for anything below 70°!

And as to the discussions disappearing: I've tried to look up a book tip in an older discussion about forestry once and found said disc. to be removed. Guess they take up too much space to just leave them in.

Or is that stuff, apostolic or forestry still around somewhere? Charlie?

I see it is 48 degrees in Calumet. Okay, that's a little chilly. Maybe that's to keep the berries fresh until I arrive next week. EH? How's everyone doing today? Not much chatter the last couple of days. Did the girls meet their goal during the sit-in? Today's their last day, right?

Hello to all in the Tri-County area.

Hey Delaware, what is it you want to know? It must be important if you looked back three years.

SISU means what? They like Pasties?

SISU=guts, determination or fortitude

kathy-
Yes, there are plans in the works for the stone boat in Kearsarge. while I was home in July I heard repairs are in order, and a plaque will be displayed with the names of war vetrans which grew up in that area. I was given a letter describing exactly what was to be done, but can't find it. When I find it I will update. As far as history all I know is it was built by W.P.A. workers.

SISU, it is Finnish for Inner Strength......

By Constance.. on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 05:12 pm:
Hey Delaware, what is it you want to know? It must be important if you looked back three years.


Hi, Constance.
I happened upon the page (Dec 16, 2001) when doing a search on Old Apostolic Lutherans. It was very interesting hearing someone who had left the OALC discussing the issues with a current OALC member... But then it got "moved", which is fine because it was definitely getting heated... but no-one will say where it was moved to.....
I just want to follow up on where the discussion went, if things were resolved at all, etc.
If you know where the thread went, I'd love the info...

Thanks!

What's a yooper?

Delaware: I believe the discussion you are looking for was in the Past-E-Mail section, not the cam notes. Try this link: http://www.pasty.com/discuss/messages/1785/2275.html and see if this is what you were looking for.

Hi,archives searcher.
That was an interesting one too, but unfortunately not the same one...
The one I saw had a totally different discussion and very detailed (one poster appeared to be a preacher in the OALC)
The search continues........

You will now find the discussion from 12/16/01 reconstructed on its original page

just wondering: Yooper is a person who lives in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, which is shortened to "U.P.". Michiganders, both above and below the bridge, shorten this term yet further so it sounds like "Yoop". So if you live in the "Yoop", you are considered a "Yooper". You will not find this definition in Webster, but (at least to all readers of this web site), being a yooper is a very good thing and something to aspire to . . .

Whatsa yooper???

Opposite of a Troll

Troll is resident - LP
Yooper is resident - UP

YQJCYAD

Karen; Bet your counting the days. Should be all
kinds of berries up there, if you can find some
good patches.

have cars ever gotten stuck on the aerial lift bridge?

hey just wondering ..
where are you from?

been to da yooper p very nice weather

Thanks for explaining what a Yooper is. Could you also tell me what the other items below are?

1) A pasty with Studabaker in it (rudabaker?)
2) A Sauna
3) An Alberta Clipper
4) A Nor'Easter

I work in a missle silo and don't get to travel much. I just discovered this great website and love the photos, but these terms are new to me.

downstate don, Bonnie and Charley are going to give us a little trouble getting out of here. The boss tells me not to worry, but I am. Hopefully,the storms will miss us. Yes, I'm getting excited.

A Nor'easter is a bad storm

Just wondering#2. It would take a pretty large
pasty to put a Studebaker in. Studebaker is the
name of a classic car. Rutabaga is a vegetable
pretty much like a turnip. Rutabagas are large
carrot-like vegetables and turnips are round. They
share a similiar taste, just different in shape.

Karen; I'll keep my fingers crossed that you make
it out o.k. and beat the winds. Better pack some
warmer clothing. Guess its so cold up North that
the folks have their furnaces on.

sauna- A finnish steam bath
Alberta Clipper -A strong wind from the direction of Alberta Province in Canada

Isn't The Gay Bar called a GUBIKA in Finnish?

Everyone likes to joke about "yoopers"...but we are honest, personable, fun....and we live here.
If people have a problem with us...don't visit.
Geeze.....

Dave in Cairo: Geez, you're gonna havta send for the ol thermals if it gets much lower to 90!

downstate don, stay tuned. I will let you know how the storms are progressing. It's not a good feeling taking off in weather like that. Hey, it was 94 today when I was purchasing a jacket for the trip. It was kinda funny. Folks were looking at me like I had a screw loose. Wanda, I hope the folks are friendly up there! I would hate to think I'm taking a trip to be abused. I can stay home, go to work and get abused. Just kidding. Looking forward to those thimbleberries and blueberries.

One last question to Yoopers: How many inches of snow before a genuine U.P. native considers a snowstorm as a "Blizzard?"

Another last question: Some steak restaurants will be offended if you dare ask for steak sauce on a top end steak. Is it considered bad etiquette to ask for ketchup (catsup some folks)when served a pasty? I would think that the cook might take offense that the pasty was perceived as lacking flavor.

Silo City, Did I understand you work on a Silo? What exactly do you do? I've never heard of this before. What part of the country are you from? Noreaster is usually in the NE part of our country. Storm front moves in from the NE; thus northeaster. Being from the Midwest, we didn't hear much about these storms. Yooper means good wholesome people and Troll means more wholesome people. We treat people like we would like to be treated; thus Pasties. Come visit us and you will see how great it is.

Karen; Not to worry, the people are friendly there. You won't have any problems with the people. If you have any problems, you report back
to me. Get names. Ha! Ha! I suppose you did not
find too many places selling jackets there at this
time of the year, did you??

"PART" of the dec 16, 01 thread...


The entire original discussion from 12/16/01 has been reconstructed on that date, thanks to this anonymous individual who found it in some unknown cache or Internet archive project. You can access the original page by clicking here

downstate don, not many jackets, but I managed to find one. A good sweatshirt under it and I will be just fine. It's hard to imagine 48 degrees when it is now 88 outside. I guess I'll find out soon enough. I know the people are fine and the food is fine. Folks just like to hear themselves talk...I would think if they didn't enjoy the site, they wouldn't tune in. I really enjoy the conversation, photos, and I enjoy people. I want to go to SoftPasty and see about one of those watches they have too. A good pasty and good company, what else could one ask for? Take care.

Karen, we are wonderfull, honest...you don't even have to lock your doors. Head on up. ps. I hate that Fargo ND movie.....

To Just Wondering #3:

A blizzard, when I lived in the UP, referred to high wind with dry snow, which effectively reduced visibility to a little to none. Total snowfall wasn't a defining factor.

Okay, what's the question regarding Lutherans? I still don't have a clue. Do you think Delaware and To Just Wondering are the same one/two individuals? Women wore buns because it was easier than curling irons. Ladies polished up pretty back then. All religions lead to the same place....live a good life and be good to others. Do on to others as you would have them do onto you! GOLDEN RULE #1.

Is summer over, is this the begging of fall, anyone seen any snow ***** ?

more of the missing dec 16, 2001 archive...

Again, you can find the reconstructed discussion from December 16, 2001 by clicking on this link.

My Grandmother was Apostolic Lutheran. When I would spend the night I would watch her undo her
hair from the bun and comb it. It went all the way
to the floor. First thing in the morning she would
put it back into a bun and leave it that way until
the following night. I also remember her whispering her prayers for several hours before she went to bed. Make-up was forbidden. Wearing the color red was forbidden. Many strict rules,but
she was a very saintly woman and I respect that.
Also remember the Church dinners every Sunday and
all the authentic Finnish dishes prepared, mostly
happened durning the summer months.

wow, WHAT is the point of all those above postings?
Couldn't those interested just be given a link instead of
taking up all the space?

I agree with pasty fan.

All this talk of buns makes me hungry. Think I'll grab
another pasty. Please pass the ketcup....

One of the main reasons I left Calumet, was because of the Archaic beliefs of the Finnish Apostolic Lutheran Church. Because I sang in other churches, including the Catholic Church, than my own, I was told I was going to .... . I could not live that way. I carry my beliefs inside of me, and because of it no church is going to tell me how to live or think. If I sound bitter, I am. No church, in my opinion, should take that innocence from a young girl.

Hi Kevin, how are you after your long illness?
Get better soon.

Sheesh, I can see why that was removed - even worse than the forestry debate.
It is my understanding, though, that this HAD a link of it's own - and is now back on site because someone thought it would be of interest.
Tried again to find that forestry discussion. If anyone knows where to find it - please tell me. DO NOT POST IT!;)

Stupid me. Where did you find above discussion? Is it possible I'd find forestry there?

Could this be related to Scientology? No religion, just mind control. The devil comes in all shapes and sizes..beware!

Mormons, Jehovah, and Scientology...is there a difference? Recruit people, take their minds and their money and bang they will go to heaven...yea right! Folks better think before they leap. They are just weak people who cannot think on their own and make use of what GOD gave them. They have to depend on others to give them direction, wrong direction at that. Start preying to GOD folks and IF you listen, he will guide you.

downstate don, I think we got taken over by this rediculous conversation regarding a cult. Oh well, keep your eye on the weather and just maybe we will get out of here on Saturday. Maybe God is cleansing the earth after all this posted above. Later,

There's a fine line between Saturday night and Sunday morning.

Back atcha Beverly.
Doing good, a little tender but good to be back to work.
Hope that it warms up back there for everyone. We have a cool spell also, only been in the low 90's here.

The rest of the story about Dec 16, 2001 -

About a year ago someone contacted us, asking to remove their email address from a message they had posted on the original discussion about the Old Apostolic Lutheran Church. In the course of editing the page, I inadvertantly truncated the file, and was unable to reconstruct it. I surmise that the visitor who posted all of the original page here on the August 10 Pasty Cam, found it either in their own cache or some Internet Archive project. Over the past year we have had numerous individuals request that we restore the page if possible. Thanks to our anonymous friend, we have done so on the original Dec 16,2001 page.

This is a sad day on Pasty.com when people religious believes are being slammed.

sorry, spelled beliefs wrong

By Julie/SSM on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 10:46 pm:
Okay, what's the question regarding Lutherans? I still don't have a clue. Do you think Delaware and To Just Wondering are the same one/two individuals? Women wore buns because it was easier than curling irons. Ladies polished up pretty back then. All religions lead to the same place....live a good life and be good to others. Do on to others as you would have them do onto you! GOLDEN RULE #1.


Hi, Julie/SSM.

I'm only Delaware, not To Just Wondering. I appreciate finally seeing the original thread. I never wanted to see it restored on pasty. I agree its not appropriate for this friendly forum. :) I was just trying to find where it was moved to. A moderator had posted it was moved, when it fact it was accidentally deleted.
My question wasn't regarding Lutherans.
I simply wanted to see the original thread and see if the participants ever "got anywhere".
Your assumption that all religions lead to the same place would not fly in an Old Apostolic Lutheran church. They preach they are the one and only true Christianity, and if you don't go to church there, you aren't even called a "Christian". That term is only for an OALutheran. They don't wear buns because its easier than a curling iron. To them a curling iron is a sin and a bun separates you from worldly fashions... There's much, much more that separates them entirely from other Lutherans, but I agree this isn't the space to discuss it.
I agree with your saying to live by the Golden Rule, and to love the Lord above all as Jesus said. I believe with all my heart that I am a Christian, and I am not OALutheran.
Thanks for restoring the page.
God Bless you all!! :):):)

Hey, Bthecute1, I loved listening to you sing (and your sister Mary)! And it wouldn't have mattered at all where it was. I just finished reading the entire page Charlie so thoughtfully tagged for those asking questions and it broke my heart. There is no more sorrowful sight than to see one member of God's army kicking another over interpretation. There is a promise of eternity for all those who love the Lord and have accepted Jesus Christ as their own Lord and Savior, according to the only requirements in scripture: Romans 10, especially 9-13:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

You don't have to belong to a specific church, bible study, women's group or even GO to any of these (although you'll want to, most likely). All you have to do is believe and speak that belief. Someone very important to me said once that he wished everyone who claimed to be a Christian could just focus on Christ for 10 minutes, nothing else. After that time, they wouldn't feel compelled to question or call out anyone else because they'd be too filled with love, shed freely by Jesus into every believer's heart. You are saved (or fill in any verb here you want) by the grace of God, through the blood of Christ Jesus. Everything else is just a temporary condition. His Grace is more than enough to cover any need you have.

I agree, by the way, that these sorts of discussion are best served away from the main pasty.com pages, but had to add my quarter's worth today. Christ was moved by love for all men (which means people, mankind includes women); shouldn't we be emulating that aspect of our faith a little more?

Karen; Are the winds getting worse there? When
would you say the impact of it all will hit?
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that all goes well
for you and that the storm does not hinder your
vacation. Take care.

downstate don...No winds, just hot and humid. The winds will start to kick up late Thursday afternoon toward evening. Then the rains begin... We will be safe and sound. Nothing is going to spoil my UP trip! Not even the chilly weather they've been having.

anybody that has a curiosity about OALC, their doors are open. Go in and listen you may be offended or something my touch your heart. If you have questions about any religious belief wouldn't it be smart to start with the church or worship services rather than second hand. This whole country is falling apart because someone may be offended by prayer or even the mention of "God". We should not be judging others for something we don't understand or because we believe otherwise.

To Kathy in Lansing: Charles and Joyce Hart still spend half of their year in Florida, and the HAPPIER half in the U.P. either at their cabin in Eagle River or in their house in Calumet. What brought that up? (You must have hit a day off at camp if it was all locked up..nobody there??)

Bthecute1/Beverly, I remember you. We were classmates at CHS. I remember hearing you sing at Michigan Tech in an Opera with a Metropolitan Opera Star. Your voice reminded me of Loreena McKennett, the celtic singing star. I wondered what happened to you. You were goooooood! Can I e-mail you?