Jul 30-04

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Photo by Bryon Freeman
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Mary Drew at Pasty Central on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:44 am:

Fort Wilkins as pictured in this panoramic shot by Bryon Freeman, was originally begun in 1844, but then abandoned after two years. It was briefly regarrisoned in the 1860's, became a popular resort, then in 1923 took on official status as a State Park. I can't even count the number of times I've visited the Fort and strolled through the buildings and grounds. Each time you find something you didn't see the visit before.

For those planning on being in the area next weekend, Saturday, August 7th and Sunday, August 8th, there will be a Civil War Living History Encampment, where Battery D, First Michigan Light Artillery, along with a detachment of the Seventh Michigan Infantry, will recreate army life from that period. Sounds like a 'mark it on your calendar' date to me!

By Early Bird!! on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:47 am:

First Post

By Roz on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:47 am:

Good morning all!!

By Mike, Kingsford on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:48 am:

Morning Sis.

By inquiring minds want to know! on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:48 am:

What EVER happened to Fanny Hooe?

By Barb, GR MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:49 am:

Michigan History is a lost subject in our public schools it is to bad when we can learn so much from it. Great picture.

By Leslie at the Northern Lights Lodge - Cadillac, MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:50 am:

Wow! Great photo!

By Rice Lake Gary on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:50 am:

30 more hours till I'm back in paradise. but who's counting !!!!!!!!!!!

By Jerry Fl. on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:54 am:

Good Morning from Florida, wish I was in the UP, boy is it hot here.

By mckenneyp, GR MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:57 am:

...I have been in the office since 3am this morning working on some networking issues, and since 6 am have been trying to get the first post...

My High School had a Michigan History class, which I took my Junior year, I know it was still there when my brother graduated in '02. It was a great class. I also took serveral Michigan History classes in college for my History Minor. I would have been a 'Michigan History' minor if such a thing exsisted...

We are planning on going to the Civil War events at the Fort on the 8th. I think it will be neat! Awsome Picture!

8 Days... next week starts the longest week of my year... The dreaded WEEK BEFORE!! :-) have a great day everyone!

How we coming on that lighthouse purchase? Anybody keeping track? :-)

By BWL, mi on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:58 am:

Have many wonderful memories over the decades of camping at Ft. Wilkins. Beautiful place.

By Barb, GR MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:03 am:

mckennep, what a great opportunity for you I graduated in 77 and Michigan History was never even mentioned in my classes. My kids graduated in 00,02,03 and they never had a Michigan history class. I am working on a letter to our local high school to try to make a move to have some Michigan history offerd at least for a elective. I am so glad that my experiance is not everyones.

By smf in troll land on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:03 am:

Good morning everyone and have a great weekend!

By Cindy, St. Clair Shores, MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:03 am:

Barb, I'm a fourth grade teacher in southeast Michigan. Michigan history is the core curriculum for all fourth graders in our state. In our school, we take several field trips that bring the things we teach to life. Our children visit the state capitol building. They visit a real lighthouse and climb the tower. They learn about Michigan waters through an experience on a boat in Lake St. Clair and the Clinton River. They visit an old grist mill. They visit the Edsel and Eleanor Ford House to learn about the auto industry. And last but not least,I take them to Pasty.com on a regular basis in my classroom to learn about my favorite place which of course is the Keweenaw Peninsula.

By mckenneyp, GR MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:13 am:

Cindy and Barb -

I think it's cool that you do all that with the 4th Graders Cindy, and that it is part of core cirriculum. However, and Bard I graduated in 98 and my brother in 02 and I don't belive I rememeber any Michigan History when I was in 4th grade short of the trips my family took to the UP. Si it's possible that our age group was missed. I went to Portland High School in Portland Michigan and the teacher who taught the classes name was Mr. Flate. As unfortunate as it is I bet when he retires there is no more Michigan History class. Unless the school makes someone else do it. It was an elective for us.

Being in the Information Technology feild, and just being a Techie I think it's awsome so many schools are preparing students with advance courses in computers and such. I intervied a High School Senior for a summer internship a few months ago who had very similar certifications and credentials to me! I have the dgree and several years of real world experince. But you know what, he can route intenet traffic from New York to Budapest but I bet he doesn't know much about what went on to allow him to be here in this Wonderful State... Thats to bad. Because thoes kinds of experinces and knowledge are what are allowing me to excel in my highly competitive and technical proffesion even as my young age.

Full Circle education, not to to specific. Broad understanding of what is going on around me so to speak....

So there you have it. I will now allow anyone else on the 'Soap Box' :-)

By LK , Calumet on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:18 am:

Up here (Calumet), we've always had MI history in high school, and now more recently, even a local history class is offered. In the elementary, they learn quite a bit about MI., and our local mining history. It is all so interesting!

By Brent, Yooper-Wanna-Be, Rochester, NY on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:18 am:

'morning all. Need some advice from my beloved Yoopers. I'm pretty well read, however not being a native, I am at a loss.

1. How the heck does one pronounce Keweenaw?
2. Can anyone give me (with pronunciation) a few handy-to-have Finnish terms (nice ones, for use in mixed company)?

By Dave H. Corryton TN. on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:34 am:

I don't often comment on the pictures. To me it just goes without saying,i enjoy them all and would go nuts picking one to use as wallpaper!However,i have been to the Fort so many times since i was a kid in the 1950's also at the times like they are going to have on the 7 th.& 8 th.Such fond memories of doing this as a pre-teen with many family members.Also used to go to Fort Indiana in Detroit to see the recreation of Army life,it's nothing like Fort Wilkins.But now i have to get my picture book out to see the view of the way the canon is pointing,hat i love to see.

By anita, MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:34 am:

get pics. Last year all us siblings got together for a family reunion. The six of us haven't been together for 8 years. And guess what? Fort Wilkins was one of the places we visited. Brought back memories. Love it. The other place we went was Bucky's. Have a great weekend.

By Barb, GR MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:36 am:

I am aware that the forth grade covers some MI history, depending on the teacher it can be well done or just skimed over. My mother was a early elementary teacher for 35 years and I loved helping her with her MI history projects. Not all schools or teachers believe history is helpful to students or want to take the time to teach it. It is to bad, we have a rich history that helps us love the place we live. Pasty Central is great at bring it to life.

By John, IA on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:37 am:

Nice picture. I wish I was in the UP but I am still stuck in Iowa (maybe not for long!). I remember having a Michigan history class in eighth grade back in the 50's (I was born and raised in the western UP). Some Michigan residents I have talked to do not know how the UP became part of Michigan!

By dick, fl on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:38 am:

Good Morning. Does anyone know of any hotel in the area that offers free WiFi? I will be there next week but unfortunately have to take my work with me. :-( Thanks.

By Jim & Pam Calumet on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:40 am:

Right or wrong, here tis: Key Wa Naw.

By JVO New Richmond MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:44 am:

On my way tomorrow Morning Woo-Hoo!!!

By UP_gal on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:49 am:

dick,FL: Try the Ramada Inn Express in Houghton for WiFi. ( Next to Econo Foods and Perkins )

By Matt in Green Bay on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:49 am:

Great pic. Had a blast working there in the summers of 83 and 89.

By mckenneyp, GR MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:54 am:

Dick - Thats a major bummer you have to take work with you to the UP! Part of what I love abot being in Chassell is my cell phone or cellular card for my laptop don't work!! If work is lucky I will stop by that Internet Coffe Shop in Houghton and by my wife a cup so I can surf for 15 or 20 mins and check email... IF I get around to it!!

By Denise, MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:05 am:

It's not the Ramada Inn next to Econo and Perkins, it is the Holiday Inn Express. The Ramada Inn is on the Hancock side of the bridge on the waterfront.

By Jean P, Dollar Bay on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:08 am:

Dick FL: Correction - it's the Holiday Inn Express in Houghton, next to Econo & Perkins, not the Ramada Inn Express. There's a Ramada in Hancock though....

Wireless update:

Here are several establishments serving wireless supported by Pasty.NET:

Houghton - Holiday Inn Express (906) 482-1066

Hancock - Ramada Inn (906) 482-8400

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Copper Harbor - Mariner North (906) 289-4637
'' - Harbor Haus (906) 289-4502
'' - Keweenaw Mountain Lodge (906) 289-4403

We also have Pasty.NET HotSpots at Houghton County Airport, Keweenaw Convention and Visitors Bureau, and numerous business locations like the Smart Zone.

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By dick, fl on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:19 am:

Thanks everyone. I thought I would have to call Charlie and see if I could sign up for Pasty.net for only a few days. I haven't been back in 35 years so I really don't mind taking work with me if it means I can be there.

By Where's da money for schoolin'? on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:24 am:

Thank goodness we have Pasty.net to get our history lessons from when the state budget neglects to allow for the teaching of Michigan history in the schools! I love this site!It is interesting to note that NMU offers a course in Upper Michigan studies....if I were there, you betcha I'd take that class!

By Bob on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:29 am:

Morning everyone.

Just came in from a break, for those
of you sweating in the south..

Its currently 65 degrees, light breeze,
crystal blue sky.

AAHHH breath that fresh copper country Air. ;-)

History is a great thing, if you don't think
your kids are getting enough in school, make
it your job to make sure they get enough at home.

By mckenneyp, GR MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:31 am:

The Michigan History classes at NMU are what I took as part of my minor. There are a couple for Michigan, taught by a very funny Proffesor who's name is very hard to pronounce much less spell... going to the NMU website to get it... be right back...

Russell M. Magnaghi is the name. He's a funny. And knows a lot about Michigan History. It was a fun couple of courses.

By Jim Copper Country on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:41 am:

re "Whatever happened to Fanny Hooe?"..........

Li'l Miss Fanny Hooe did not disappear while picking blueberries one day, as the legend goes
(eaten by a bear, kidnapped by the Indians, drowned in the lake...three oft-cited scenarios); fact of the matter is she grew up, went to Detroit, was married, and lived a more or less happily-ever-after life

By sandstone princess ..BA from PastyU on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:46 am:

I was in grade school in the very late 50's, early sixties and we studied MI history. We were in Troll-land during the school season and heaven in the summer;) I still remember some of the songs we sang about MI, the tulip festival in Holland and "MI MY MI" (is that the state song??) Went to WMU and took a MI history course as it was required back in the early 70's....knew more about certain parts of MI history than the one with all the degrees behind his name. Some of the kids I went to WMU with didn't actually know where the Upper Penisular WAS!! Told them stories about how the winters were so bad that planes dropped good and supplies....they bought that. So much for public education.
My late 2nd cousin was a ranger at the park. What a great place to take kids and newbies.

By ajt - on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:48 am:

Isn't Michigan history part of the state's elementary curriculum?

I'll bet it's cooler there than it will be here in Az. today. It's supposed to go to 111 degrees!

By sandstone princess on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:55 am:

John, IA: Where you be at? I live in a suburb of Cedar Rapids. Ran into (literally speaking) several of the RAGBRAI bikers last eve @ Ryans and on the road. Great weather this year for the ride across IA (for those not in the know: RAGBRAI is THE bike ride from river to river across the non great lake state. Now you know!)
To the sistah who has a broken wing: take care and get rested and heal.

By Justin J - Brighton but born and raised Yooper! on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:59 am:

Good Morning,
When I was at WMU, Michigan history and geography was required for humanities credit. Since we were in the celery and cereal capital we covered southwest MI quite extensively. When the topic turned north of the bridge there were a few times where I had to correct the instructor. Believe it or not I was the only Yooper in a class of 70 people and this was just in 2000. Since my grandpa was a lumberman we talked about the CCC camps and how today the UP hardwoods have taken center stage in the veneer market (Besse Forest Products) and dimensional lumber. It was definately a cool class to take and for all those who were wondering I got an "A". Its good to see that all the students in our education system learn about our very unique state.

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 10:04 am:

Morning from Houston..
Been out with a nasty stomach flu thing...

Went to the Fort for the 1st time a couple weeks ago...I loved it! I love Michigan History, and tell anyone who will listen about it!

On a trip to Mack Island one year I bought the kids a book/actually a journal written by a boy who was stationed there with his family. My kids loved me to read it to them...another generation of Michigan history lovers in the making. :)

By Downstater on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 10:28 am:

Pronunciation of keweenaw is Q-wa-na

By ra on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 10:36 am:

My Grandfather was born, raised, lived most of his life and died on Lac La Belle and in Calumet. He told me lake Fanny Hooe was so named because that's where the soldiers washed their fannies. Why would he lie to me? That's the story that Grandpa told me and that 's the story I'm passing on to my children. He also said because of the fanny washing we should never eat the fish that come out of lake Fanny Hooe.
He was a wise (and funny) man.

By Yooper lady on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 10:36 am:

Hey, Grills, good job on the Keewenaw pronunciation. Depending on where you are on the peninsula, it could vary some, but the emphasis is always on the first syllable: Key Veh Naw, Key Wi Naw, Key We Naw.

Finnish words for "polite" company are legion, and generally the emphasis in on the first syllable. Here's one:

voi kauhia (say: voi gcow he a): sort of like, "Oh, my!" (This is very vernacular; it actually translates to "butter bucket.")

Check out these links:




By Bob Brown, Alabama on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 11:03 am:

Went to Fort Wilkins as a kid in the 30's. Needless to say it was a great event to drive from Houghton to FW. Fort was in bad shape. the original logs were in the wall around the fort. We kids were told that there were arrowheads still in the logs. Kept us busy for hours looking for something we never found. Michigan history was great, especially the great story about the Toledo strip and how Michigan got the UP.

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 11:13 am:

I thought I read at the Fort that there was a young lady named Fanny Hooe, whom a soldier fell in love with, and bought land with a lake and named it after her....am I right on this or is it indeed because of the "fanny" washing? :)-

By maijaMI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 11:24 am:

Re MI history in schools: the state now requires the MEAP (Michigan Educational Assessment Program, which means test) which many educators hate. It takes up much time to prepare for, administer, and debrief the kids. And though they swear it is not intended to drive curriculum, of course it does! Doing well is of primary concern to administrators and boards of education. "No child left behind" also now requires testing of every student every year. More time out, and more concern about teaching what will be tested, which may or may not be in the students' best interests. Math as taught now is much more challenging which is probably a good thing, but it takes considerably more time. Lots of really good stuff, often the things kids really enjoyed, has been forced to be pared from the curriculum. So Barb is correct. How much MI history is taught will depend a lot on the teacher's knowledge and interest, and the time available.

my son had a great teacher for MI history in HS, but he has retired, and my bet is that this elective has slowly slipped away a victim to other academic pressures.

By Cindy in Iowa on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 11:34 am:

Sandstone Princess,
Interesting that you mentioned RAGBRI, that caught my attention immediately as it was not something I would see on pasty.com. My husband has been on RAGBRI before, but this year has stayed home so he could bank his vacation and we can go to the UP! Good Choice! I think it was three years ago (maybe four) that RAGBRI ended here where I live in Muscatine. It was fun to watch the riders come in and dip their front tires in the Mississippi---some just rode straight in without stopping and let the river be their brakes! If you are not familar with the Mighty Mississippi, all clarity is lost after one inch--quite different than Lake Superior. For those that have not seen RAGBRI, it is quite a site---people and teams from everywhere. The buses that they bring in are interesting to say the least! Log on to the Des Moines Register web site for information and pictures.
Take care,

By John, IA on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 11:34 am:

Sandstone Princess:
I too live in a suburb of Cedar Rapids called Robins. I am a former Toot (Tech student, term not used anymore) and work at the radio company. 10,000+ RAGBRAI bicyclist went by my daughter's house in Hiawatha. They come from all over the US and many foreign countries and spend a lot of money. Maybe we should start a ride across the UP from Ironwood to Sault St. Marie.

By Roudy Mi on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 11:36 am:

Talking history today..... Remember the book "lady Unafraid"? Towards the end a Mr Crebassa is mentioned. Well he was the first Lighthouse keeper at the lighthouse we were trying to buy the other day. The Jacobsville light house.

By Marsha, Genesee/Aura on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 11:50 am:

Lady Unafraid is my all-time favorite book about the U.P. I got it from the local library. It has been checked out about 3 times in 50 years, but they wouldn't sell it to me. Amazon, e-bay, etc. ask incredible prices for it! When I read it I tried to imagine exactly where the young girl came ashore in L'anse and where other events took place. I wish there was a map in the book showing all that.

My school teaches Michigan history in 4th grade. I teach special reading, but give the teachers (who love the U.P. and camp all over) lots of ideas, pictures, brochures, etc.

By Mary Ellen, IL on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 12:07 pm:

I just visited Fort Wilkins again last June, and learned from the exhibits that several area lakes were named for popular young women (daughters, wives, visitors) who stayed at the fort and became favorites with the soldiers. Most of the other lake names have reverted to other names, but Fanny Hooe stuck. I can't be certain, but I think she was a cousin visiting a soldier's wife at one time.

By Sarah, California on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 12:23 pm:

When I was in Mrs. Fisher's 5th grade class at Hancock Elementary, we studied Michigan History. Mostly Upper Michigan History, actually. Not for the whole year; just for a month or so at the end. We all did projects about local towns and their history. Mine was "red jacket" and the Gipper. It was a big hit with the class, and I hope that Mrs. Fisher and Hancock Elementary keep that unit going.

By Ms. Katie on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 12:39 pm:

Speaking of UP history...where can I find info about how the UP ended part of Michigan rather than Wisconsin or an independent state? My former Yooper mother always talked about the UP joining Wisconsin.Of course she moved to Wisconsin for education and work and would have loved that. Also, about that book "Lady Unafraid", who was the author & is it still available somewhere? Lots of memories of Fort Wilkins when we visited grandparents in Hubbell in '40's & '50's. Thanks for reminding me.

By Jamie Utah former and future upper michigander on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 12:51 pm:

Thanks to Pasty.com for the past few years...

It is now 0145 A.M. in Korea (Sat Morn) 1245 P.M. Friday Afternoon Yooper Time.

I sure have enjoyed all the photos that you have posted in your website.

Keep up the good work.

By Chris, IL on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 12:58 pm:

While at MTU I took a couple classes in Michigan History. One was called Michigan History, and another was about the Copper Country and Mining. Both great.

By Bill, Ca. on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 01:04 pm:

In World War 2 our Flying Fortress (B-17) crew had just completed Combat Crew Traaining in Florida and were now staging in Savannah, Georgia prior to our joining the Eighth Air Force in England for combat over Germany. The military had us complete many questionaires to prepare for any eventually. Among the questions was one that asked us what military base we preferred to be assigned to when we returned to the United Staates. I put down FORT WILKINS in Copper Harbor, Michigan. I wonder if anyone ever read that. Never got there :) :)

By Yooper in Indiana on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 01:06 pm:

Michigan History was one of my favorite subjects in high school, taught by Mr. Arthur Nobles at Calumet High School. I try to teach my grandsons the history of the Keweenaw.

By KMR 5 o's WI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 01:14 pm:

Speaking of Fannie Hooe, my nephew always thought I was referring to Lake Panty Hose. He would always laugh when the name was brought up. Never knew why until finally he asked why it was called Lake Panty Hose. It's still a family joke.

By Connie, Ft. Belvoir VA on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 01:16 pm:

Has anyone read the book "Calumet, Copper Country Metropolis" by Dave Engel & Gerry Mantel? I picked it up last month in Copper Harbor. It's a great read! It covers 10 years of the Copper Country evening news (1900-1913)and has awesome photos. It's quite amusing to read what they deamed news worthy back then. I highly recommend it!

By Roudy Mi on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 01:17 pm:

Everyone is spelling it Fanny Hooe. How about Fanny Hoe?

By trish, wa on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 01:28 pm:

Great photo today. It brings back great memories, too,
of visiting the fort when we'd spend a day up at the
'Point', as my parents called Copper Harbor. We were
told that Fanny Hooe drowned in the lake, so it made
me feel uneasy as a kid, and it probably kept me out of
the water, too! Funny how many cultures have a
'boogeyman' legend that persists, the purpose being to
frighten children and to keep them close at hand. I
guess the story of Fanny could be the Ft.Wilkins'
version? We have a Native American boogeyman out
here, the Basket Woman, who snatches kids if they
venture too far into the woods. All schools here teach
the young students this legend.

By lorelei, MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 01:49 pm:

Where can I learn more about your Basket Woman story? Sounds scary. Please email me.

By BT,TC on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 01:50 pm:

Yooperlady...My mom still says voi kauhia all the time...I love it...lol. Reminds me of my sweet Gramma from up there. Have a great day everyone!

By Jimmer, Houghton on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 02:01 pm:

Nice photo of the Fort. Wilkins is certainly a Michigan history gem that not everybody gets to see (or even knows about!).

Was reading the other day about people's jobs. I am a library administrator who just managed to get himself a job in the Copper Country (again). I am now the director of the Portage Lake District Library (again) in Houghton. "Hello" to all of you who may have known me in a past life as "Conan the Librarian" and "Welcome" to anybody coming up to the C.C. Our library has lots of local and Michigan history materials in our collection. You can also use our public computers to look at your important email and web sites (like pasty.com, of course!) Our web address is www.pldl.org.

Go ahead and dream of moving to the Copper Country. Dreams can come true!

Jim (Jimmer) Curtis

By Lowell MO. on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 02:11 pm:

It just goes to show how far our education has slipped. When I went to school up there history was a part of the studies that was required. Goes without saying that Michigan History was also required. We learned all about our history from the early Fur trappers to the then current history. We also had world History and U.S. History which was required. I think it should be required today.
When were the present building at Fort Wilkins built?

By trish, wa on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 02:30 pm:

Lorelei, try this link

By Bill, CO on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 02:56 pm:

8 1/2 days to go!

By Pam, MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 03:21 pm:

Former Yooper
I enjoy all the photos that are posted and use many of them as wallpaper. Makes me feel less homesick.
Keep up the good work.

By Spellbound on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 03:23 pm:

The proper pronunciation for Keweenaw is and always has been "Kee wee naw".

By yoopgirl on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 03:27 pm:

my yooper-born parents always pronounced it
Kee-weh-naw. The 'weh' sounded like 'wet' without the
't'. The emphasis is on the first syllable.

By John P. DuLong, Michigan on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 04:18 pm:

I thought that the story of Fannie Hoe being lost has been debunked. Seems I recall seeing a display the last time I visited Fort Wilkins saying that she did not disappear, but rather that she lived to adulthood, married and had kids. So which is it? Poor little lost girl or just another folk tale gone by the way side.

By Dave H. In Da Smoky's on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 04:32 pm:

Maybe one of you Mich.History buffs can confirm this.I thought the whole U.P. was given to the State of MI. that gave Toledo to Ohio in some way? That's the story i remember hearing.
My family always said Keweenaw this way.(Keave)- like in-leave.(Va)as in la la land. (naw) like a dog dose to a bone.Keave-va-naw

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 05:20 pm:

"Key when ah" Heavy on the Key, then "when" ah, as in what you say when the dentist says "OPEN UP" :)

By the way, when we were in da yoop, I saw a license plate that said "Key 1 Aw" Anyone we know?

By upmama, MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 05:25 pm:

Here's a llittle history lesson regarding "The Toledo Strip": http://wiwi.essortment.com/toledowar_rzxq.htm

By kippy on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 05:33 pm:

By Downstater on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 10:28 am:
Pronunciation of keweenaw is Q-wa-na

Where oh where did ya learn that one? KIWI [g}NAW maybe If only to remember it ..

By Longtime PLL patron on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 05:42 pm:

Welcome home, Conan!

By Missing it all from too far away on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 05:45 pm:

Since the Gazette hasn't updated its website for today, can anyone up there tell me if anything drastic is going on?

By maijaMI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 05:47 pm:

Speaking of cute kid's misspeakings: One day as we were going by a Chevy dealer, my young son asked me, "Why do they call it a dealership?" I said, "Because 'deal' is another word for 'sell.' They deal in cars, so it's a dealership." He just looked at me like I was stupid. Later, I understood why. He had to draw a map from his house to his school, labeling landmarks. He labeled it Chevy Deership.

By Patt - Mid - Michigan on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 06:27 pm:

Jimmer, You lucky devil having all those books at your finger tips! Then add to it it is in God's country. Well what could be better? Not a whole lot. Have been into the library on just about every trip to Houghton to check on my e-mail back home. Certainly appreciate the service.

By Don, Waterford on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 06:28 pm:

Every one must be out partying or something. Have
not had a word since 5:47. Got to keep this thing
going. Overcast here in Lower Michigan. What does
the sky look like up North?

By Therese from just below the bridge on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 06:44 pm:

Overcast just south of the Mackinac Bridge (pronounced 'Mack-uh-naw Brij'). Had a nice heavy rain which could go on all night and make my tomatoes happy.

By UP gal on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:15 pm:

I learned that when Michigan first became a state, the border with Ohio was not definite. The Ohians (or whatever) wanted Toledo for themselves, but so did Michigan. Many battles followed, but in the end, Ohio was given Toledo, but in exchange the whole UP was given to Michigan. I may be wrong, but thats what i was taught.

By YOOPER JIM on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:38 pm:


By Wright Mattingly Lily Ky. on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:49 pm:

Friday nite, July,1964. I would be in L'anse,Having a cold one, at the BuckHorn Bar.I sure miss those days.Hello Gracie Reed.

By downstate Don on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 07:51 pm:

Yooper Jim, where you comming home from? Where-
ever your comming from. WELCOME HOME SPORT!!!

By Georgie, MO on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:38 pm:

When I was in school, we studied our state history and geography in the 7th grade. Of course, that was many, many moons ago. The teacher was not the best. Maybe that's why I don't remember it as well as I probably should. There was little there to stir the imagination. No field trips either! I love to travel and learn about new areas of the country and see what's there. My husband and I love Michigan. It holds a very special place in our hearts and I think always will! We'll be returning for vacation in 6 weeks. Wish it were tomorrow instead.

By julie b., MI on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 08:43 pm:

Good article on the Toledo Strip War, but it doesn't go into all the details.

First of all, the Michiganders suckered the Buckeyes into thinking we actually WANTED Toledo and then when everything was settled we got the real prize. {And i say that coming from a family with many Toledoans!}

The original borders of Michigan were set something to the effect of: a line from the southernmost point of Lake Michigan to Maumee Bay {hence the controvery}. And a line to the northernmost point of Lake Michigan and everything {in America} eastward.

As i recall that gave Michigan the Yoop from a point near Naubinway and everything east. When the war was settled we got the rest of the Yoop.

And by the way, the border with Wisconsin wasn't without controversy either!

By pj,mi on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:08 pm:

Keweenaw - Key-weh-naw; Key-veh-naw emphasis on the Key. When said Keweenaw County the last syllable can be heard as nuh.(key-weh-nuh)

By ert, GA on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 09:52 pm:

Yes, No Child Left Behind (we call it 'All Children Left Behind) is driving the curriculum everywhere now. We are so relieved to have just found that our school made "Adequate Yearly Progress", and we're not on the bad list. In other words, enough of our kids took THE TEST and enough passed it.

We do still have some GA history in the 4th grade and again in the 8th grade, but I don't think it's as much as it used to be. After all, it's not on THE TEST! :(

By larryk, nh on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 10:17 pm:

Lived in Hubbell until 1961. We always pronounced it Key-veh-nah, with the accent on the first syllable.

By Hank-IL on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 10:33 pm:

Key- What opens a lock
Win- What I hope to do with the lottery
Aw- Shucks
That`s my two cents.

By Phyllis M IL on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 12:00 am:

Good night to all! Ten days until we are in the keweenaw. With all of the anticipation it will go very shortly

By Russ E. St. Clair county MI on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 03:05 am:

I had Michigan History elective subject back in the 50s in St. Clair Shores. (Cindy St. Cl. Shrs.--the OLD Lakeview High on Jefferson!) I absolutely loved it! It caused or influenced many of my OLD pics in my photo gallery! My teacher(s) were inspiring! The old Michigan Natural Resources Magazine was always inspiring, educational, and informative regards Michigans history and its great outdoors, scenery, wildlife and beauty! Excellent photography also! Too bad they discontinued it. Does anyone remember it? Many good memories at Fort Wilkins!
Dave H. Corryton Tn.:--- Don't you mean Fort WAYNE in Detroit?
JVO--Where is NEW Richmond MI? I'm right here nearby RICHMOND MI!
Maija---Both. My sisters name is Mary. Our late Grandfather originally from Olu Finland, having a thick accent always called her "MYYOU" Is that how it would be pronounced?? Our Grandmother (his wife) name was Mary. He always just called her "old woman"! LOL

By ywb/yooperwannabe/richmond on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 04:08 am:

Good Morning from Richmond Michigan.
We are getting ready to leave for Florida. UGH!
Not as much fun as Northbound on I75!
I need to post my memorials now.
Robert Simpson
Susan Simpson
Joe Berry
Suzanne Spruytte
John, "Mr Bud" Vargo
Safe travels to all.

By Sadie on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 05:20 am:

Maybe there should be less testing, and more teaching.

By Cindy, St. Clair Shores, MI on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 08:23 am:

Russ, my children both went through Lakeview Schools but the site of the old high school on Jefferon is a senior care facility now. I remember Michigan Natural Resources magazine too. I just loved that magazine and was so disappointed when it was discontinued. I agree that the pictures were always beautiful. I subscribe to Michigan History Magazine now, but I still miss all those photos.

Sadie, I know many teachers who would agree with you. I will tell you that teachers are as relieved as the kids when the testing is finished and we can go on with teaching what we know is important.

By Mary Lou on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 09:05 am:

Is this how the great rivalry between "U of M" and "Ohio" got started????...M go Blue!!!...,(M]:>)...!!!

By Paul Roberts, Mohawk on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 10:04 am:

I'm curious as to how the panaramic shot was able to be so long. I didnt realize you make them that bug (i.e. long) Is it a special setting or something?

By Bthecute1, San Jose on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 10:05 am:

To Yooper in Indiana:
I remember Mr. Arthur Nobles as my history teacher too. He was a no nonsense, strick teacher that I learned a lot from. Funny, though, I don't remember having to go home every night with a lot of homework. I guess High School came easy for me. I see the children going to school these days with what looks like suitcases on wheels full of books for homework. I wonder sometimes what is being taught in the classroom that they need too take so much work home every day.

By Yooper in Indiana on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 04:46 pm:

when did you have him,,,always remember study hall with him,,,out the front door and then pops in through the back door of the assembly hall. I must have had that course in 1957 or 1958.

By Bthecute1, San Jose on Sunday, August 1, 2004 - 11:04 pm:

To Yooper in Indiana: I had him in 1956. Do you remember Ms. Baldwin? (Baldy) or when we were in the assembly hall and rolled marbles all the way down to the front, and they would get really upset, and nobody would fess up to it? Or Mr. Charles Stetter (Principal)or Hiram Roehm LOL, or Joe Mishica, or Walter Kitti?

By Yooper in Indiana on Monday, August 2, 2004 - 08:44 am:

Now you are really bring back memories, Joe Mishica and his 2 legged chair,,and some of the names he could hang on one! When did you finish CHS. And then there was Ben and Mrs Holman and Mr. Brooks too. Who could forget Ethel Baldwin and having to read Silas Marner and the other books one had to read. Looking back on it, as a teenager, we probably did not appreciate them too much. I imagine that you had cooking also. LOL She taught me to cook quite well,,,

By Bthecute1, San Jose on Monday, August 2, 2004 - 10:44 am:

To Yooper in Indiana: I remember so well. Do you remember Sam Held (Biology) or Ms. Lathrop (English) or Lucile Entorf or Anton Peshek (Band) I was in choir and band. Loved those football games. I did not have cooking. What were you doing in cooking class???????? Got to go. Today is my first day of school. Taking Computer Science.

By Yooper in Indiana on Monday, August 2, 2004 - 04:42 pm:

there use to be Mr held, alice robinson, helen lathrop and one other( who shall remain nameless for the time being. who lived side by side in a row. Also Mrs Rodifer on the corner and Mrs steck around the corner on Kearsarge St. Where were you from Calumet, Laurium or Keweenaw?

By Bthecute1, San Jose on Monday, August 2, 2004 - 05:55 pm:

To Yooper in Indiana: I think that CHS put out some exceptionally bright students. At that time we were really taught well. It seemed that no matter where I went for employment in Lower Michigan, when they read that I was a graduate of CHS I pretty much was hired. I lived in Calumet. Now that is when the teachers really taught, rather than all the testing they do these days. And they didn't just pass you on to the next grade, like I here happens these days - just to move you along whether you know the material or not.

By Ken and Mimi from da UP on Monday, August 2, 2004 - 07:24 pm:

Our monitor died last Fri. pm. Just got another today. So lots of catching up to do. We always pronounced it: KEY-when-nah. Gonna have to make a trip UP to the CC, thimbleberry jam is all gone. :>( Had LOTS of lightning and thunder and rain this aft., but the sun is shining now in Cornell.

By Ken and Mimi from da UP on Monday, August 2, 2004 - 07:27 pm:

WOW! Just got to see the panorama, we loved it!

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