Jun 25-04

Past-E-Mail: Cam Notes - 2004: June: Jun 25-04
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Photo by Pat Johnson
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Mary Drew at Pasty Central on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 06:24 am:

Just had to throw in a second shot today, courtesy of Michigan.gov, where you can read about the latest celebration of the Piston's victory.

Our Pasty Camist for the day is Pat Johnson. Bringing an eye-catching scene to our attention, with a distant shot of the Pierhead light in Ontonagon. Marking the mouth of the Ontonagon River, is the typical skeletal steel box on legs which adorns the end of many piers in the U.P. I can't quite get my bearings though, so I'm not sure in which direction, but I think the Ontonagon Lighthouse is located near this area too. With just the right touch of clouds, waves and driftwood, this shot has the power to carry your thoughts (and maybe even you!) away to dreamland. Enjoy!

Wait, before you go, just a gentle reminder that there are only 9 days remaining, so make your plans to be in Agassiz Park in Calumet for Pasty Fest 2004 and the Pasty Olympics!

By Mike, Mi on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 06:28 am:

Hey BTC1 is that your governator?
First Post

By Kevin K. Lodi, CA. on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 06:31 am:

Did Ahhhnold eat all 3 of them?

By Helen on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 06:34 am:


By Colleen, Nocona Hills - Tx on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 06:50 am:

G'morning Y'all...

By Steve,WI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:05 am:

Looks like he is the winner!

By julie b., MI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:07 am:

Superior is beautiful in every season and any condition! And there's a lighthouse in the picture too - what more can you ask for?! Thanks for a great way to start a Friday!

By tc on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:34 am:

Frost on the roof this morning. Tomatoes grouchy but surviving. Peppers rotting in the cold. Sqash seeds never sprouted. Maybe a move to North Carolina? Naw....

By Opaque in YooperLand on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:43 am:

North Carolina , Hmmmm........ Not sounding to bad, alittle Summer would be Nice !

By PFD, MI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:46 am:

Good morning from Houghton,
It is a good thing I did not put my winter bathrobe away for the summer!!!! Today would be a good day to make pasties.....does anyone out there do that anymore?? I do!!!!

By Tom Green Bay on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:48 am:

Did you know that Gov Arnold earned his B.S. at UW Superior? Not too far from the UP.
Great pic of the Big Lake-------no matter where it is.

By Rick - La Crosse WI wannabe Yupper on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:55 am:

Mary Drew,
Todays picture is quite dramatic. What you see is the Porcupine mountains in the distance. Your are looking west. I have spent many an hour there.

By JWilson, Ohio on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 08:25 am:

What a great picture, even though I have many like it! We spend several weeks in that area camping right on the Big Lake and sooooo love it! Can't wait until we go up in July! Love the picture of the Gov. eating the pasty...maybe a trend will begin...

By Brenda Leigh U.P. MI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 08:33 am:

The following words accurately describe Lake Superior when she is churning with all that power.
What a beautiful picture today.

"...those who have never seen SUPERIOR get an inadequate, even inaacurate idea by hearing of it spoken of as a lake..though its waters are fresh and crystal, SUPERIOR is a SEA..It is wild, masterful and dreaded..."
Reverend George Grant
Sanford Fleming Expedition - 1872

By ts on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 08:54 am:

wonder if we will get a summer this yr--only been over 70 just a few times so far---burrrr--and by the big lake worst yet

By Marsha, Genesee/Aura on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 08:56 am:

I think it would be cool if all of us pasty camists visiting the Pasty Fest could have a name sticker with our screen name on it, so we could recognize each other! Will there be a central meeting spot there? Or a common time that everyone tries to meet in that area? Can't wait!

By Troll in Eagle Harbor on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:05 am:

I thought we had summer already...I'm waiting for the leaves to start changing:)

By Wright Mattingly Lily Ky. on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:08 am:

Good morning from Lily Ky.Years ago when i worked for C&H mining,i cut my little finger,i know now that i got copper country in my blood,I would love to move there around L,anse.I really liked that town.But all of the people i new then have grown old like me. wouldn't be the same as back in 63&64.Hello Gracie Reed.

By Marsha, Genesee/Aura on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:13 am:

Just enjoyed Kevin Henricksen's gallery. Lots of nice shots!

By Jean, West TExas on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:16 am:

Perhaps our paths will cross on the "village green". I am looking forward to coming up but am still worried about acclimation to the "cold" summer up there:) Wish the hubby and kids could join me.

By Connie - Colorado on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:21 am:

Wasn't it great seeing the Pistons beat the Lakers?!?!? That was very satisfying to see Kobe and the other Lakers finally losing the big one. The Pistons have every reason in the world to celebrate and who couldn't celebrate with them on a victory like that. Even their own Governor wasn't rooting for them!! haha !! I love it!! Good morning everyone from the sunniest place in the world, Aurora, Colorado!

By Phillip, Houston, TX on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:27 am:

I won't mind if it's cold when I come to Houghton next month, as long as it's dry - the Houston rain gauge is now up to 10.48" for June and we're looking at another wet weekend...

By Paul, Mohawk on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:27 am:

Who'd a thunk it? Da Governator made the pasty cam. I wonder if he'll be back.

By Jen, MN on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:32 am:

Connie in Colorado - Is it finally sunny in Aurora? I was there last weekend and it was rainy and cloudy and cool. I couldn't even see the mountains in the distance. :(

By steve,Laurium on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:33 am:

Beautiful picture of the Lake at Ontonagon, I bet it's good fishing off of that breakwater. That picture of Arnold put a smile on my face. I think we're having pasties fo supper. Everyone, have a good day

By Jen, MN on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:41 am:

OK, how am I supposed to get any work done today? I have today's picture as the wallpaper on my computer and like Mary said in the opening post, this shot does have the power to carry your thoughts away to dreamland. I can almost hear the waves and smell that fresh air. With all of the great pictures lately, I've been getting very homesick for the U.P. Guess I'll have to make a trip home very soon!

By Love the UP and Pasties on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:42 am:

What a beautiful shot of Superior, showing why it's called Superior! All I need is this picture blown up big and on the wall around my bathtub!! Don't need no "Calgon... Awww Superior, Take me away!"

How cool is it to see Arnold eating pasties? Look out- bet you'll see a surge in orders now!

By shelly/Yankee in Texas on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:48 am:

Good Morning from blub blub blub, Houston.

Love the Gov. of Caly fornya picture!

We fly out of here in the morning and will be enjoying the Northern Winter, oops, I mean summer, in da U.P.!!!!! :)

You guys have a great time at your Pasty Cam Party!


By Erja, Central Ostrobothnia, Finland on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:54 am:

Awesome pic today!!! Tervehdys Suomesta ja Hauskaa Juhannusta kaikille! Greetings from Finland and Happy Midsummer Festival to all!

By Troll Diva, MI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:59 am:

All that is missing in that picture is a bottle of Toivo & Eino's pasty sauce :)

By Yooper, MI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 10:27 am:

Anthony street apatment in Hancock is fully engulfed in the basement--one person possibly trapped.

By Yooper, MI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 10:29 am:

I mean apartment

By Sue, Calumet on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 10:32 am:


If you follow the pier to the mouth of the river, go up river a bit. The Ontonagon Lighthouse is on the right, near the paper mill.

Shouldn't there be ketchup on that pasty?

By Margaret, Amarillo TX on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 10:37 am:

Jean in West TX: Hey, with today's weather here, you'll be prepared. Here in Ama it's 55F. Mornin'

By TT Calumet on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 10:38 am:

Hopefully the "Governator" will be back.........as a judge for Pasty Fest!

By sandstone princess on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 10:49 am:

Erja, however did you find good ol' Pasty.com??
When I was a student at SUOMI, we learned a little finish folk tune, strickly phonetically, and I still hum and sing that little song.
Have any of you that speak Finnish ever thought how much like the Chinese or Mongolian it sounds? More so than the Slovic or Scandianavian.
For an English major, I do have trouble spelling....that is why I married that bright Tech Toot!
Homesick for my Jacobsville today.

By Al, Bootjack, MI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 10:59 am:

Does anyone out there know what the event schedule is this weekend for the Firemens Tournament being held in Houghton this weekend--when and where is the marching parade and when and where is the firemens ball

By Jennifer, WI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 11:15 am:


Try this link...

Or do a google search for "Firefighter's Tournament"

By bsb, sr on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 11:19 am:

Although I am sure he enjoyed them, I don't think you will see the Governor ordering them much as he is on one of those useless "South Beach" or one of the many fad low carb diets to which a pasty is a definite no-no. We yoopers know better than to try such a crazy diet that would not include basic staples such as our pasties. Everything in moderation and get some exercise and you will be fine, and still eating pasties.

By Al-Bootjack-MI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 11:26 am:

Jennifer, WI

Thanks so much, the website answered all my questions.


By Jennifer, WI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 11:31 am:


Your post asking about the Tournament made me aware that it was going on!!! I immediately looked for info about it. I'll be up in the Copper Country tomorrow. I haven't taken in the Firefighter's Tourney in years! Can't wait to introduce my husband (a WI native) to it!


By Jean, West TExas on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 11:39 am:

margaret in amarillo....you live in the cold belt of Texas...we are almost 80 here already!!!!! I am parka hunting to stay warm next week!!!!!!!!!

By CJ on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 11:42 am:

Where can I fetch one a dose pasty pillows, eh? It looks yus' da right size & shape for camping.

Fetch the pillow and other Pasty gifts right here:
Pasty Software

By Joe - Kansas City on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 12:11 pm:

When are the 4th of July parades in Dollar Bay and South Range this year. Saturday or Sunday?

By maijaMI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 12:13 pm:

More info, please, on Anthony Street apt in Hancock. Another fire!?

Erja, welcome to pastynet. please join other Europeans who add very interesting comments.

Sandstone Princess: Chinese was taught at the previous school I worked in and the teacher was from China. With the clipped vowel sounds, I don't think it sounds like Finnish. But you may be on the right track with a Mongolian link. I know that Finnish is not a Scandinavian language, and I know it is the same language base as Hungarian. Kearsarge in my grandfather's day had both a Finnish and Hungarian population, and he could speak both, along with English.

My other grandfather published the Opas, (sp?) a Finnish language newspaper. Anyone remember Keewenaw (again sp?:) Gussu? (Charlie)

Hoping someone, maybe from Finlandia U will provide more info on the Finnish language.

By Ace,Tx on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 12:17 pm:

Jean- We're with you digging out all the jeans & sweat shirts for the trip home. It will feel like winter to us, but we'll love every minute of it. Hope to meet everyone at Pasty Fest. 4 days & Gods Country we're counting the mintues. Everyone have a great day.

By twa on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 12:23 pm:

Looks like Arnold forgot the ketchup! My goofy younger
brother uses a plastic bottle, with a long narrow tip, the
red 'picnic' type. He inserts the tip into his pasty in
several places and squirts the ketchup deep inside it.

By Dawn, CA on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 12:31 pm:

You don't know how tough it is being a native Michigander living in Laker country with all the hype about how mighty the Lakers are. Well it did my heart so good to watch our Piston boys clobber the "mighty" Lakers! However, saddened that my Dad who was a BIG Pistons fan passed away just before the finals and didn't get to see them kick Laker tail. Great job guys. I'm sure my governator loved his pasties just as I do!

By mary beth denver on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 12:50 pm:

Geat shot can't wiat to leave the colorado mountains for your great lake vacation in July.

By Dave, Laurium on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 12:56 pm:

Mary Beth....you didn't happen to graduate in '66' from CHS did you???

By Fire Update, Hancock on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 01:07 pm:

Update on Anthony Street Fire:

Major disaster averted by the quick action of the Hancock Fire Department with the assistance of the Houghton Department. Fire contained to 1 apartment with smoke damage throughout the building. Hats off to the firemen!

By Nate Alwine, Upper Peninsula on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 01:37 pm:

Hey all, I realize this is extrememly short notice, but I have Little Carp River 4 bunk Cabin rented for tonight and tomorrow night in the Porcupine Mtns. Unfortunately I cannot take tomorrow off anymore. So does anyone want to use the cabin this weekend? Its short notice, but it'd be a free vacation. I hate to see it not get used. If anyone is interested give me a call (906)779-0705 or email me. I'll tell Sandy at the Park office to change the name on the keys. And you can have them.


By Lorelei, MI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 01:47 pm:

Hey There fellow Yoopers!
If you are in town tonight, stop by the Houghton High School track and join us for "Relay for Life". This will take place rain, shine, sleet, hail or SNOW. There are a lot of activities for the young and the not so young. It is a fun way to help find a cure for cancer and a very moving experience as well.

Hope to see you there!!

By Candy, CA on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 02:07 pm:

Nate Alwine, what a sweet thing to offer! Wish I could take you up on it, but I'm here in Governator country in the heat. And I agree with Dawn -- I'll bet our Gov. wolfed those pasties down, diet or no diet! He lived in Superior (for at least a few weeks) so he's had pasties before (although not nearly as good as those from the Yoop) and I'll bet he misses them as much as my family does!

By maijaMI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 02:31 pm:

Thank goodness everything in the latest (Hancock) fire is ok. I really grieve when I hear of the fires/losses there.

Regarding the Pistons: I don't even like sports except maybe hockey and baseball. But the Pistons, in my opinion, were exemplary in their attitude and statements throughout the championship. Seemed they wanted to play their best, not put someone else down. (Unlike the Lakers) Maybe sportsmanship from the big teams is a value that will come back! Please, let it, for the sake of our young ones!

By Two-track Flash Back on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 02:45 pm:

Sort of a Yooper Ballad, to old friends that have traveled on, and days gone by.

Someone said sumpm' about Dodge Street, da udder day. . .

Can anyone cheer da crowd like Reed, and Ray-Ray, and Keto and da gang?
Who here from Copper Island
Dat survived da Sixty's or da Seventies
Or even dem Eighties an' da Nineties
Can't "barely remember" hearing 337-5***

Or dat udder funny tune dose guys jammed
You know, dat one dat dem guys sang
Dat ballad about dat fish day called "Orcala, Da Killer Trout?

Or how 'bout dat udder local-yocal band
Dat one dat started out as da "Get-Away"
But den dem guys turned into "Lion"
An' den day went to "Peter Lauri", an' den day were "Saint.

Who here in da Copper Country
Or even da rest a da UP
Dat was living in da last part a da last century
Or in some udder time dat we barely remember from way back when
Has not gotten all dizzy from dancing around
An' walking in dose crazy opposite circles
To dat head-banging music played by dem guys dat were called da Mudder Fly?
You know, dem guys dat played at dat one place dat will soon be da OLD Calumet Armory.

When we fondly recall all a dose long ago memories
From Yesterdays, and da Neighborhood, an' College Inn, an' da Dollar
An' all a dose udder days dat we spent at da White House, an' Perko's, and da Legion
Let us also remember all a dem udder days dat we spent
At da now fallen Gray Hackle, and dat udder "Bridge", (dat usta be on Eighth Street).
And da Red Garter, an' da Skyway, Al's Halfway, an' da Bucket.

Or even da Sugar Shack
Or dat one place on da corner, behind where day sell Pizza
Dat one dat could soon be dat new place
Where us old yoopers can meet
Where I hear day will be serving some new fangled stuff for us people to eat
An' if any of dose rumors from da Copper Country Grapevine are true
Y'all soon will be munching on Mexican style pasties.

May we always den tink of dem long ago places
Even dem ones dat we now don't remember
Filled with all of dem people dat have foggy faces
Some of dem have names dat we all tink we still know
But some of dem people, I tink, we don't really know
Who dem people were, or where day'd all go.

So, here is a cheer for are now fallen comrades
Who have already traveled on somewhere on ahead of us
Somewhere dare gone out of our sight, day went 'round dat last curve in da bend
Now dare travelin' dare somewhere up ahead
Searching for one more far away after hours party
So they can be wit' dare ol' friends.

Who knows, maybe someday we'll all meet again
At da Homestead", or da Frontier, or da Mosquito, or even Joccoletto's

Den we'll all share a beer and some stories an'some laughs
With all our ol' buddies
An' all dose new one's dat we'll meet.

Den we can all have a drink and some cheers
Next to da bear at da bar wit da beer

As some a dem people up in da Keweenaw know
Dat ol' bear disappeared from dat one place dat he stayed

But, although he may not be here wit' us today
Wit' da resta us ol' Yoopers down on Eart'in da UP
His legend will always live on
Even if nunna dem yoopers can remember his name.

But maybe, eh, it could just be possible
He missed all of his udder chums from da Pub down below
Like all a dem guys from da Range Towns, or Pelkie, and Toivola

So he left his new home up in da Harbor at Zic's
Where he moved to when his old home at da tavern, Headin' south on M26, was turned into da Oasis.

Dat place where day now sell a buncha hot coffee
An' lotsa' udder tings too
Insteada' just beer and wine for da mom and pop
An pop, an peanuts for da kids
An' beef jerky for da baby

Could be dat he took dat two-track road ahead of us
Da one dat goes past dat one place
Beyond da loop in da end a da road
Past the end of US 41 highway
Where all a dem yoopers an' toots went to meet
When day weren't somewhere else having fun

Dat one road dat only goes one way
To dat udder place dat we sometimes call Heaven Away from da one where we live in da UP
So he could be dare wit' all a da resta his buddies
Da ones dat are already dare waiting
For da resta us yoopers to get dare wit' 'em.

Den we can all stock up more beer for last call
An' maybe some munchies and vitles
An' we''ll all push together
All a da rest a dem tables
Den we'' all sing and we'll cheer
And we'll drink some more beers at da White House.

P.S. I tink I heard somewhere dat us Finns talk a lot like dem dare Aramaic speakin'peoples. Who knows da truth may set us free, eh? I hear dem ancient Hebrews didn't have a "J" sound in their language either. Nor do da Finns. "Th" (as in "the") and "V" sounds aren't very (bary) easy for us to make either. And we always (owees) interchange our "M/V/B" sounds too. As far as I know, Paleo Hebrew speaking peoples would also have said "Yah to da UP too, eh?

By Roudy Mi on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 03:15 pm:

I din't hear mention of the Leaf or the Gay Bar,Satellite an 4Hunnerd.

They were popular with a big group,but were not mentioned, and why he wunnered?

By BCT,mi on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 03:18 pm:

Here's an oldie for you. How about the Blue Goose in Jacobsville? Anyone remember that one?

By TTFB on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 03:21 pm:

Roudi Mi: Da never ending Saga, eh? Something we'll all have trouble wit' singin' someday

Even more den dat udder one called American Pie.

By CJ on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 03:32 pm:

Whoa...way to go dere, Two Track!
You done made me cry all over my new pasty pillow.
And now da White House has gone and burned itself down!
I remember hitchhiking up to Mohawk in the middle of a January snowstorm and celebrating my first legal beer dere back in 197_?

By Hilary, Michigan right now on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 04:18 pm:

Hi, I am Hilary, a Copper Country native doing an internship in Hancock at FU for my graduate work in Folklore and Finnish language at Indiana University in Bloomington.
The Finnish language, along with Estonian and Hungarian and some smaller languages (Livonian, Karelian, Ingrian, Sami) are all members of the Finno-Ugric language family- some of the few languages in Europe NOT related to the Indo-European language family. (I think only Basque and Celtic are the other anomalous ones!)
A lot of linguists place Finno-Ugric into the Ural-Altaic group, which also includes Turkish, and, yes, I believe Mongolian.
In the late 1800's, pseudo-anthropologists said that Finns came from the Mongolian region of Asia, which unfortunately led to some baffling racism against the Finns, even in the Copper Country. Although linguists and general language speakers (and listeners) can notice connections between Finnish and such far-off languages as Mongolian and even Japanese (I even hear similarities between Japanese and Finnish as a non-Japanese speaker- long story), there has been no connection made to this point except to the other Finno Ugrian languages.
We're always a unique and mysterious bunch...makes me sure like being Finnish!

Hilary Virtanen
Department of Folklore and Ethnomusicology
Indiana University- Bloomington

By Jerald, Westland, MI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 04:42 pm:

I just saw "Fahrenheit 911". It is an amazingly thought provoking movie. Like or dislike Bush is irrelevant - this movie will get you thinking. Be aware that there are some graphic images (pictures of Iraqi civilians killed in bombings and such). Has anyone else seen it yet?

By Janine Turnquist on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 04:50 pm:

To Two-Track Flash Back...I want to thank you for the "Yooper Ballad" and for mentioning my grandparent's tavern, The Homestead. I spent many days as a little girl there, stepping into the cold cooler for an Orange Crush and watching my grandpa do his "shuffle". I think it would be wonderful to sit with some people who spent some time at the Homestead, living and loving life in the Keweenaw. To hear their stories about what they remember of my grandparents would be a true joy. Again...thank you for remembering.

By maijaMI on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 04:52 pm:

Hilary: thanks! I knew someone on this excellent site would answer. So, as we knew, we are unique!

By Trish in WA on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 04:55 pm:

Glad to hear Houghton is involved in in Relay for Life...
we do it every year in my town... it's a cancer-fundraiser
held in venues (usually high school stadiums) all
across the country. Volunteer relay teams as well as
cancer survivors walk and memorial luminarias
are lit, My Houghton grandmother died of cancer and I
lit a candle for her.

By Susan, Fl on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 05:02 pm:

HAPPY ST. LEON'S DAY! Sorry this is so late, but I'm one of those midnight worker bees, so it's early morning (well, morning, anyways) to me. I didn't check in when I got home to see if first post had arrived. Sorry to be so late in the day. Hope it's a great one for all! Everyone needs a little Leon Cheer. Have a good one!

By CJ on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 05:08 pm:

You're right about the Basque anomaly, Hilary, and you Finns are certainly a "mysterious bunch" ;o)
Celtic though is definitely an Indo-European language. Proto-Celtic branched into Manx, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Breton and Cornish (which is what we Cousin Jacks used to speak back in Cornwall before it's extinction in the late 18th century).
And Proto-Celtic's closest relative on the family tree is Italic which led to Latin which in turn branched into Italian, Spanish, French, Romanian and Portuguese.
Those old tongues will really take off in different directions on you once they move to a new place, eh?

By Margaret, Amarillo TX on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 05:18 pm:

Jean & Ace, TX: Have a great time without me. I'm stuck here this year. Someone please have a pasty for me.

By Bthecute1, San Jose on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 05:26 pm:

To Mike, Mi. The sticker winner of the day. Yes, he is my governor, and it sounds to me like all you Yoopers are jealous he is not your governor.
Hi, Kevin of Lodi.
Candy, Ca. Would you by any chance be Dr. Meier's daughter of Calumet?
I noticed that BOOMER and HEHAW are absent today, I guess that they really wore themselves out yesterday and are in need of a long siesta???!!!

By walter p tampa on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 05:35 pm:

cj is certainly right but before italic there may be a connection therefore hilary may be also correct so therefore celtic may very well be a pre indo european language i remain walter p
the anomalous celt also the name is pronounced with a k as in kelt but with a c

By Kosk in Toronto on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 05:51 pm:

Thanks Hilary. I just read Maija's message
and was thinking I'd try to answer it. I had
most of the facts right, but you did her
questions more justice than I could have.

I'm intrigued by the fact that you ended up
studying Folklore, etc. in Indiana. Long ago I
thought about doing that too. I did something
else, but still dearly love all forms of folklore
and religiously attend the Toronto Storyteller's
Festival every year.

By ace,tx on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 06:13 pm:

Margaret- I'll be making pasties this week-end for the pasty contest back home. If you were a little closer I'd bring you over a pasty. We'll enjoy one for you thou. The mouth starts water with the smell of them baking---just heavenly. First time home in 2 yrs. counting the minutes.

By Dave, Laurium on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 06:21 pm:


By Jon Cadwell in Tennesee on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 06:25 pm:

So, let me see if I've got this right... You LOSE a bet and get 3 free pasties and a big bottle of Vernor's????? Where do I sign up for that deal? (Wonder what he'd have got if he'd WON!)

PS... can't wait to get back to Calumet on July 18th!!!!


By TTFB on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 06:36 pm:

Janine T: 10-4 and ditto!

I once long ago
From someone I know
Had a mug or two
Full of swizzle sticks

Just some old sticks from the past
All faded and cracked
But the name on the glass
Was the Homestead.

Imagine that, eh? Thanks for smiling!

By Hmmm on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:01 pm:

Has any one here ever heard of an Akkadian idol/god "Ki-Wa-Nu", (Kee-wa-nu)who is said to be related to Saturn of the Romans, and maybe Raphan of the Phoenicians? (???) (Inquiring minds want to know) Could this star also be related to the star of the Cree, or even the Hebrew? I see stars on flags from all over the globe, and often wonder, is there any connection?
Whether or not they're five or six pointed.
Are there not a lot of "Akkadian" sounding words in Algonquin? Such is in places in Nova Scotia?

Also: Ish-pi-ming is a word that I have read is somehow connected with the center of the universe. Baraga, I've heard is somehow connected with "Last Days "Blessings".

Does anyone know what "Phi - Delta - Pi" means in Micmac or Phoenician?

By Anyone know more on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:25 pm:


By Double Hmmm on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:30 pm:

I've also heard that the Garden of (H)Eden was somewhere near Michicapoten Island. What does this have to do with the Celts and the Picts?

By Digging for Roots on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:44 pm:

Sometimes I think that my Grandpa - who, like my Grandma, was "Pure Finn" - looked a lot like people that I know who are Ho-Chunk "Indian". My Grandpa, and my Grandma, like my Native American friends, have a sort of stoic look, with that wise old twinkle of humor mixed with hidden wisdom in their eyes. And they also look alot like they could also have some "Turkish" ancestry somewhere in there past.

By 4 hrs 20 min, away on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 08:13 pm:

Thank you so much for the "flash back" if I still smoked I would flick my Bic in memorium of Laurium and all of those places back on the range.... truly needs to be recorded eh.Speaking of that was Orcala the killer trout ever recorded.

By on the banks of cold water on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 08:17 pm:

What this site needs is the song "Keweenaw light" playing in the background..

By just brainstorming with myself on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 08:20 pm:

Could we support a song writer or area related poetry page here

By DH, Temecula, CA on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 08:31 pm:

I never saw Dodge Street live, but I did hear a recording of "Orcala". Some of the members were friends, so it could have just been a recording of a practice session, or something.


By Margaret, Amarillo TX on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 08:38 pm:

Thanks, Ace! Will be thinking about you two. Will keep the pasty cam on the festival. Wave a big "Hi, Y'all!" for those of us stuck on the other side of the monitor.

By ishpeming on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 08:42 pm:

the name Ishpeming, is Native American in origin (don't know which tribe) and means "high place" or "heaven".

By TTFB on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 08:57 pm:

Another Day we sit here
Looking tru da glass
Of dat dirty, shatter'd window
Dat over looks da past

Aldo da pane is streaked and broken
Its not so hard ta see
All dats ever happen'd
Ta build dis life for we

Remembering every detail
Of every single way
Da path dis life has taken us
Ta bring us guys here today

All dem visitin' memories
From all dos' days dat are now gone by
In dat whisper of lonliness
Dat sometimes makes us cry

Dem long ago tings
From yesterdays times
Dat leave us wit nuttin'
But our tears to dry. . .sometimes.

By brainstorming here on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:11 pm:

NOW dat's what I am talkin about Eh.

By TTFB on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 09:14 pm:

I always (owees) knew this Place is Heaven!! Who doesn't though, eh? What about Pequaming, is it true that it means garden?

By Boomer on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 10:12 pm:

Bthecute1, I'll be kind, maybe they won't delete me, hope your doing well in San Jose, are you originally from the U.P. or Michigan? Some day I'll get out to Orange Cty. to see a buddy of mine.
Kindest Regards,

P.S. I'll always have the back, of any Detroit team.

By Finn in Indiana on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 10:15 pm:

Thanks for all of the info on the Finnish language. My mother and her sisters all spoke Finnish when we got together and all of us kids never knew what they were talking about. We often suspected the conversations included us and perhaps not always with a positive spin. I have often felt I should learn the beautiful language.

By Susan, Fl on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 11:09 pm:

Hey, everyone, especially Hilary and Kosk...speaking of storytelling, anyone here ever go to the National Storytelling Festival in Jonesborough Tennessee? Every year the first full weekend in October. This year is Oct 1,2 & 3. A wonderful time for all if anyone is interested. Would be glad to supply any needed information. Stories to make you laugh, cry and think, sometimes all at once! :)

By Dave H. East TN. on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 11:25 pm:

I'am from the U.P. and Detroit but now from east Tennessee.Love the Wings-Tigers-Pistons-sure is heart breaking to be a Lion fan.
I heard that the Detroit Police will be handing out Lions tickets to those caught speeding in the city. And if you get caught a second time,they will make you use them!
Maybe they will be a better team if they get that coach from the Far East Winonesoon.

By Connie - Colorado on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 12:02 am:

Jen, MN - Sorry your visit was rainy but that's a long shot coming here and experiencing rain. This year we may come out of our drought, but we've got a long way to go yet! At least the grass is still green, by this time last year it was getting yellow.

Have a fun day.

By Erin King, GA on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 01:01 am:

arnold rocks!

By Bthecute1, San Jose on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 01:29 am:

To Dave H. East TN: Thank you for supporting my view of Michigan Football, and Mr Steve Mariucci, The Mooch. You are toooooooo funny!!!!!

And now Mr Boomer, and Yooperville, USA. Seeing as the Pistons and Lakers is the only thing on your minds, and that Arnold was the beneficiary of the outcome of this sports event; I think you should look to your own Governor Jennifer M. Grandolm. Was it that she gave away your best kept secret because it was beneath her, (that usually is how a bet of this sort goes - give away the spoils)and it backfired, and why was she giving it away when she was the winner. I can understand the Vernor's part of the bet, because I think a big cold glass of milk goes best to wash that pasty down. No wonder you are all up in arms! Mr Boomer, thank you for your kindness, and yes, I am from Calumet. Have a nice evening, :)

By jimj_troll_greenville_mi on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 04:10 am:

only two (yawn) more hours til sunrise. enjoyed all comments. great diversity of opinions and subjects.

By Cindy in Iowa on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 04:22 am:

Yes, a few more hours of sunrise, but four more hours to work! Thankfully, I have this site to explore and keep me awake!

Take care,

By Jerry Fl. on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 07:21 am:

Good morning from hot florida will be in the up next saturday, can't wait.

By UP_gal on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 07:31 am:

Bring a warm jacket and your kromer. Rather chilly here.

By Mary Lou on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 07:55 am:

I grew up in Lake Linden in the late "40s...our house was on front street and on one side lived an older French family and on the other side an older Finnish family. In the summer with the windows opened you could hear both languages spoken......In the summer the French lady would walk home form daily Mass with her friends and stand below my bedroom window and speak French.....I loved it. My mother and her sister spoke French.....My grandmother only spoke German and my in-laws only spoke Finn when the got together. In the stores one could hear all these native languages spoken.......It was wonderful and suddenly with the passing of time it no longer happens........

By Kosk in Toronto on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 12:02 pm:

Mary Lou,

Don't give up hope. I haven't. I used to hear a
lot of Finnish spoken by my relatives--just
never directed at me. I bought myself a
grammar book and some tapes to listen to,
and am going to try to learn some Finnish this
summer. I'm hoping that oral memory will
help me with the pronunciation and that years
of studying other foreign languages will serve
me well. Maybe I'll try my phrases out this
summer when I visit my older relatives. Hope
they won't laugh themselves silly...

By Kosk in Toronto on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 12:06 pm:

Dear Susan,Fl.,

I'd be very interested in learning more about
the National Storytelling Festival in
Jonesborough. Thanks for letting us know
about this festival.

By KeweenawLover on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 06:52 pm:

That pasty pillow in the picture is wonderful! Where can i get one?!

By FRNash/PHX, AZ on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 10:18 pm:

Click this link->
Fun Stuff From Pasty Central then scroll down to the bottom of the page.

By Kelly, WI on Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 03:45 pm:

Do u like the soap opera "General Hospital"?
I LOVE gh!

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