Jun 23-04

Past-E-Mail: Cam Notes - 2004: June: Jun 23-04
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Photo by Paul Trautman

Mary Drew at Pasty Central on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:16 am:

Where in the Keweenaw is this unusual formation? It's a mystery to me, but it certainly resembles the Pictured Rocks near Munising. Paul Trautman calls it a Keweenaw grotto in his Guest Gallery, only he leaves us in the dark as to where we can explore the layering handiwork ourselves. Any guesses?

Don't forget, only 11 more days until the tantalizing aroma of pasties will be permeating the air at Agassiz Park in Calumet. Pasty Fest 2004 - there's still time to make your plans. It will be a great way to top off Copper Country Homecoming week!

By Ray Garrow on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:17 am:

Just wanted to say Hello to all of class of "55" classmates who may be signing in. Sure do miss those "good ol days"!! Drop me a line when you can.
First Post

By j Atlanta on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:23 am:

Reminds me of the Devil's washtub, but I don't remember the pillar there.

By RD, Iowa on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:23 am:

Looks like Michigan-California rivalry is still in the news. See Ironwood Daily Globe

By Rich in Illinois on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:35 am:

Hi, new to this wonderful website. Always have looked at the beautiful pics but never comented. So today is a first. It looks like it is what we call the Red Rocks between Keweenaw Bay and just before you get to Portage Entry. Used to do alot of swimmimg down along them just below the old Michigan Ballroom in Keweenaw Bay. Always alot of fun to explore the many caverns that the lake had opened up.

By Patt on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:37 am:

Oh for goodness sake! Doesn't the disgruntled Laker fan have anything else to whine about like perhaps the awful game or the LA living conditions?? GEEZ...

By SUZANNE/ WISCONSIN on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:41 am:

How could I know that this site would have this particular subject yesterday? Thanks to all you you with your suggestions. I was able to be with Kally and talk to her and tell her it was ok and there would be no more pain. Thanks to you Lori. Lyndelle I thank you too for I know Kally and Casey are playing in a golden field. Lyn Rayrat you really helped me with the poem as I came home to an empty house. Thank you all for your help.God Bless

By Dom, Germany on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:46 am:

Wisconsin needs to send that disgruntled Laker Fan some Cheese (Kase) to go with his 'whine' . . .

Great picture today, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

By Margaret, Amarillo TX on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:52 am:


By danbury; germany on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:08 am:

Noon ;)

By Me on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:10 am:

The sandstone makes me think it's in Jacobsville? I know that's not Keweenaw, but that's where I've seen that colored sandstone, unless it's on the south side of the point?!

By Colleen, Nocona Hills - Tx on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:22 am:

Mornin' y'all!!! Great Picture ;-)

By Alex Tiensivu, Georgia on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:28 am:

Alex will gladly take the Wisconsin cheese, thankyouverymuch!

By Tbel, MN on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:32 am:

Ya know I hate to say this but maybe that's a good thing about the non usda pasties.
If you'll remember a while back how Pasty.com had to change where they made them so complie with usda regs. , so many other pasty shops wern't held to the same standard.
Atleast now it'll get some press.

By Dave, Laurium on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:53 am:

Red Rock area near Jacobsville??? Definitely not the Devil's Washtub area.. smile

By Wuzzle, Detroit on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:56 am:

Perhaps it's Redridge!

By Yooper in Westland on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 08:04 am:

I agree with Rich in Illinois. I think it's the cliffs between Portage Entry and Baraga. Right near where I grew up.

By Mary Lou on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 08:06 am:

Me.....What do you mean by "I know it's not Keweenaw??....After you cross THEE bridge to Hancock the whole peninsula (Island) is "The Keweenaw"....not just the County...Jacobsville is included.....:>)....

By Sandy, lower MI on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 08:07 am:

Just watched the bridge cam video. AWESOME! One can almost feel the crisp fall and winter air and smell the fragrance of spring!!! Feel the romance of the dimly lit evening shots.....

Thanks for the sharing your talent with us!

By RnR on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 08:12 am:

Reminds me of a cave near Graveraut River in Freda.

By Lyndelle Chiomenti, Frederick, Maryland on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 08:16 am:


Hope the sun is shining where you are today, despite your sorrow. I did think of you last night, and I told my Major and Elke about you and Kally and the Hoppers and Casey.

Best wishes for a future full of loving pets, even though right now there is only one on your mind.


By Lori, Commerce Twp on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 08:35 am:

To Steve the flying troll... I would like more info on your animal shelter in Detroit. Kudos to you! My condolence to the Hopper family for their loss of Casey, their faithful companion and pet.

By Down State Dave on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 08:42 am:

I would have to guess some where around Jacobsville too.

And to MARY LOU, I always say you are NOT up north until you cross THEE bridge!

By Victor P., Houston Tx on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 08:45 am:

Yesterday was the first day that I couldn't get past the first few posts. Very sad, I was in tears. Charlie, hope you find yourself a new puppy soon. It will help yu remember Cassie's better days.

By wright Ky. on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 08:56 am:

Looks like a beautiful day in the copper country.I'ts raining here in eastern Ky.I've been watching the new building at MTU being built, but that tree is all you can see. Justin Plichta would you move the cam back over on the building where it used to be.Thank You.

By In GA on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:00 am:

Is this to be another day of "mourning"? There are people out fighting for our country, fighting cancer, fighting just to stay alive. Please, lets keep all memories of our beloved pets in context.

The best context to post any notes about the loss of pets would be over on
yesterday's page.

By $teve on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:02 am:

Neat picture, Has anyone ever went down into the devil's wash tub on a quiet day. It's really fun.I'd like to know if anyone remebers the Cozy Corner Soda Fountain in Laurium? It was located on the corner where Forty-one Lumber is now.

By pet lover, WI on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:10 am:

... For those of us who truly love our animals they are like humans and their passing is just as mournful and devestating as that of a human companion. To the Hopper family and everyone else out there that has lost a pet, my sympathy is with you.

Again, we would ask that any notes relating to yesterday's subject be posted on
yesterday's page. Thanks!

By troll with connections on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:12 am:

Hi All,
Are there any web sites that may have info on when the Portage Canal and Entry were dug? I was also wondering if there were originally streams running along waterways. Thanks in advance

By $teve on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:17 am:

To RnR, could you tell me the whole legend of the Seven Fires? Just a short story about what it says. Thanks Steve

By Ned, Kingsford on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:22 am:

Two things. I definitely remember going to the "Cozy Garden" soda fountain in Laurium, I lived just a few blocks from there on South Pewabic. To me the Keweenaw is just that, Keweenaw County. The rest is properly called the "Copper Country" and begins at Painsdale on the south west and Chassell on the south east.

By elm on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:27 am:

Ned in Kingsford-You've been away for awhile, Things change. The whole Keweenaw Peninsula is "The Keewenaw".

By Mary Lou on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:30 am:

Downstate Dave..A friend, who worked for the State of Michigan had an opporunity for a promotion to The State Capitol of Lansing.......but.. he told his supervisor "no way would I move across the bridge.......no,.. not the Mackinaw Bridge...I mean THEE Hancock Bridge." ...:>)

By Lori always a yooper on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:35 am:

Suzanne, you are most welcome.
Hi everyone, we get to come "home" Friday!!
I'm a Keweenaw Kid and always will be!
/see you soon:)

By Bob T, michigan on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:36 am:

To troll, try this webpage (not far from where you were)http://www.pasty.com/reflections/id318.htm

By YOOPER IN VEGAS on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:59 am:


By CARMA Survey on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 10:27 am:

Troll With Connections: The "CARMA Survey", which details such places,listed according to State, County,Township,section number, and current landholder-landsteward, as well as relative natural and nonnatural resources, and land uses,is currently under way. CARMA stands for Cultural/Archaeological Resourse Mapping and Assessment. The CARMA Survey highlights each area's Cultural, Archaeological, Recreational, Mineral, and Agricultural resources, and their relation to the past and present peoples that have lived along the connected waterways of the Great Lakes of North America and abroad. (However, the CARMA Survey does not list or highlight violent activities such as hunting or trapping or fishing) Once the survey is published, and the website is constructed, you will be able to flip or click to any area in the UP, US, or anywhere else, to learn about the location and its cultural and archaeological history, and relative resources. Each site has associated land and aerial photos, maps and such. Terraserver aerial images of each location will be available to accompany 35mm stills, 360 degree imaging and more.

In the meantime I'll dig up what info I have already gathered about Portage Canal and both "Entries" for you. May take a bit tho', if you don't mind? Did you know ancient artifacts were found nearly thirty feet under ground when the canal was first dug?

If anyone else would like any particular info on any other place in the Keweenaw, much has already been completed in Keweenaw, Houghton, Ontonagon, and Baraga counties. Just ask. That's what the CARMA Survey is for.

Ed. Note: Would the author of this message please leave contact information if someone wants to "Just ask".

By wild guess,Mi on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 10:29 am:

How about between Rabbit Bay and Small Traverse?

By Tom, Green Bay on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 10:37 am:

Isn't that picture taken along US41 south of Portage Entry? Note the fencing at the top of the picture. The roadside park along US41 has the cliffs fenced off for safety. Is that the place?

By Phillip, Houston, TX on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 10:43 am:

As a former MTU Geology student, that photo sure looks like the Jacobsville Sandstone.

By $teve on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 10:45 am:

Ned, I forgot the the name of the Cozy garden. Thanks .I also grew up on south pewabic, 513. My last name is Dollar , maybe with went to Charles Briggs grade school together. I consider the keeweenaw all of the land on this side of the canal to be the Keeweenaw ,including the Jacobville area. When I lived in Keeweenaw we called ourselves The Keeweenaw Oilers. Don't know for sure where the name Oilers came from, but I think it was because of our life style back then. Have a good day, back to work. $teve

By J, Houghton on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 10:53 am:

Does anyone out there know what channel 'The Sweater Letter' is on tonight? I have direct TV! (small dish)

By RnR on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 11:05 am:

$teve: The Seventh Fire Prophesy is many things to many individuals and peoples. Some say the Turtle Island Migration never ends. Many of us believe the Turtle Island Prophesy points to Manitou Island, off the tip of Keweenaw Point,and that the time of the Seventh Fire, when the "New People" appear, is now. Maybe the "Turtle" that rises out of the "waters" is actually Pasty Central, and Pasty Surfers are the "New People of the Seventh Fire"?

Neil H., wherever you are, do you have any aerial closeups of Manitou Island to share?

By stuck in waukegan on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 11:13 am:

shoreline @jacobsville

By RnR on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 11:22 am:

. . . and I'm still guessing Graveraut River. At least the place sure looks alot like a cave we saw way back in Boy Scout days. I've only seen the cave once ot twice since the. Like soooooo many other places here in the Keweenaw. It's all private access now, so we can no longer go there to see it. Except maybe by water. Still, I don't believe anyone else is allowed to go ashore there. Here's an image of the river:

Graveraut River

Mary Lou on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 11:28 am:

CARMA Survey...How interesting that ancient artifacts have been found thirty feet below the surface, during the dredging of the canal. I assume this is near Ripley, where I read that the ancient miners camped before they portaged to Isle Royale through the area near Lake Linden to Lake Superior. (5,000 yrs ago).... Where are these artifacs now? The academic journals compiled by Drier and Dutemple into the book "Prehistoric Mining in Lake Superior Region" predate the dredging of the canal. ..I believe the artifacts mentioned were found in the copper mounds (pits) discovered in around 1845.

By anon/milw on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 11:31 am:

The show will be on Court tv at 9 Michigan time.

By CCfan on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 11:52 am:

Has anyone heard if the Schwarzenegger family
received their pasty package yet?

Maybe his family should consider posing in their
Kromers for their holiday photo this year....!

By RnR on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 11:54 am:

Mary Lou: I was refering to copper artifacts discovered at Portage entry. Countless prehistoric ornaments and implements have been discovered here in the Keweenaw. A growing collection of them has been preserved by the recently established Ancient American Artifact Preservation Foundation. Collections from several Upper Peninsula counties have already been documented and will be available for public display soon. Cultural affiliation is sketchy, but many ancient Keweenaw artifacts are connected with modern day Ho-Chunk and Anishinaabe peoples.

Hopefully, one day, the artifacts that were discovered during the canal digs will be included among the resources recorded by the CARMA Survey.

By confused on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 11:57 am:

RnR, Seventh Fire Prophesy? huh... wha' the?

By A.H. -MI on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 12:05 pm:

Hey Cleo let us know what you think about all this?

By Loo Loo Mae on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 12:09 pm:

YOOPER IN VEGAS - so you are coming to get your words of wisdom next week, j/k? Make sure you bring your bug nets with you, they are out in full force! Bring your choppers too, its quite cold up here, not much sign of summer yet! I will let LOW GRADE that you will be here!

By RnR on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 12:23 pm:

Confused: Hmmm. . .where to begin? The "Turtle Island" Migration story is wonderfully portrayed in the "Mishomis Book", by Eddie Benton-Banai.

The prophecy speaks of a time that arrives when a "New People" will arise from the peoples of the earth, who strive to be free, without bonds of race, or politics, or religion, or even boundaries of land. Neither materialism nor war is known in their hearts; (Peace is the path we all choose to follow.)

This "New People" will earnestly seek for the pure Truth in all things, particulary concerning life and its meaning and origin. Much of the truth the "New People" discover is learned from our past and our all but forgotten Elders.

But I have some journeys to run so I'll have to continue this story later. . .that is if you're still interested. (smile)

By Time Zone Question on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 12:39 pm:

ANON/MILW...Michigan time? Is that Central or Eastern? There are a few counties in the Yoop that are in the Central time zone.

By Rivera on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 12:40 pm:

Ahh, it looks like "Pirates Cove" to me.

By ts on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 01:11 pm:

keweenaw is keweenaw county---the real copper country starts north of the bridge--hillbillies changed the names

By joesyopper on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 01:27 pm:

I am more than confused. North America was founded on hunting, fishing, and trapping. Both before and after the white man. If Camra Survay does not list or identify these violent activities they must be listing the five percent of the history. 95% of the time was involved in getting food, shelter, and clothing from the violent activities.

By IN Wi on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 01:46 pm:

AH I can't stand it!
..It is called the Keweenaw peninsula correct!? Thus if it is north of Baraga State Park it's THE Keweenaw! the Copper Country is "generally" all of Ontanogan co. Baraga Co. Houghton Co. as well as Keweenaw County.

By Still here in Wi on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 02:02 pm:

And the question is since "the Island" is seperated from the Keweenaw peninsula at Houghton-Hancock ..is it still "the Keweenaw" north of Houghton or .as part of the "copper country" is it..copperr Island EH?

By Roudy Mi on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 02:03 pm:

Isn't the "turtle island" Mackinac Island in the indian folk lore we're talking about here?

By ric, WI on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 02:06 pm:

Why don't we ask those folks at the Copper Island Sentinel?

By CCfan on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 02:11 pm:

Human cultures have, for as long as they have evolved
on earth, needed to procure and prepare food for their
very subsistance. If CARMA's archaeological surveys
omit cache pits, (that is, the middens and places of food
storage and preparation), or places of hunting and
fishing, then how can we understand these ancient
cultures completely?
I don't understand how or why an archaeological
survey could or would leave such elemental aspects of
a human culture out. That said, all things fit together,
and 'culture' is the 'fabric' that insulates a group of
humans against their environment. This includes food-
whether it be gathering, hunting, or scavenging. People
simply need nourishment, and the Keweenaw first
people lived on meat, fish, and berries and other plants.
Does this CARMA survey feature natural history sites,
and not human ones?

By anon/milw on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 02:12 pm:

Central time zone= 8 pm.
Eastern time zone= 9 pm.

By Cousin Jack on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 02:35 pm:

Draw a line straight west from L'Anse and you'll hit the southern outskirts of the Porcupine Mountains which is also, geologically speaking, the SW tip of the "Copper Range" (or copper bearing series) which snakes itself northeasterly from there all the way up to Keweenaw Point.
And dere's your larger "peninsula" too I s'pose, eh?
Now, to get back to today's theme. I took this picture a couple-three summers ago down near Jacobsville (and had to hop a "keep out" fence to get to it too, arrgh). Hard to say if it's in the near vicinity of Pasty Cam's shot above whose sandstone looks darker. Could just be the light though.

Jacobsville Sandstone Lakeshore

By wishin' ta b in Michigan on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 02:36 pm:

Super shot Cousin Jack..thanks for tresspassing for us.

By Mary Lou on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 02:53 pm:

pen-in-su-la....[1.an area of land almost completely surrounded by water except for an isthmus connecting it with the mainland.].....(the sign in Houghton states: "Gateway to The Keweenaw")...hence the Keweenaw Peninsula starts in Hancock and covers the "finger" of land juting out into Lake Superior...it includes Keweenaw County.

By Denny, Michigan on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 02:55 pm:

Some great looking sauna rocks in that last picture!!

By Hey wait! on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 02:59 pm:

Since it is on all detailed world maps since the 1800's as "Keweenaw Peninsula"then....What hillbillies are you speaking of?

By Keweenaw County raised on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:03 pm:

I'm sure there is going to be more on the subject of The Keweenaw, but some of us know where the true Keweenaw is.

By Dick B. Sadder for not being there on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:03 pm:

I agree with Cousin Jack, from what I remember of the sandstone along the coast from Lac La Belle it could be from along there where the cliffs rise from the lake and the road is back from the edge. I think what looks like a fence in the top photo is just a fallen tree so the property probably is private land and accessible only by water? Love the look of the beach in Cousin Jack's photo, thanks for sharing. As for the Keweenaw Peninsula, wouldn't it extend on a line from Baraga west to the Ontonagon/Houghton County border? To consider Keweenaw County the only Keweenaw wouldn't be right as the County includes Isle Royale and that is definitely not true. The Keweenaw Bay would seem to define the east border of the peninsula though the west side would be less easily defined. Regardless, it is all a beautiful place and dear to my heart, though I do tend to appreciate the less populated parts more - perhaps a character flaw on my part.

By Dave, Laurium on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:14 pm:

A couple people made reference to the Devil's Washtub, well, here's a pic of the 'tub' as of about 2 hours ago. I still think the pic for today is from the Red Rock area near Jacobsville, although I have not seen that particular spot, sure would like to though....
Devils Washtub

By Dave, Texas on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:19 pm:

Are you kidding me! The Cozy Garden was THE place while I was going to tech a half a century ago.
I remember it like it was yesterday. What a great place to spend some time with your favorite girl or to look for that girl. The hamburgers were good also. We could use places like that today.
Dave, class of '54

By tyler in L'anse on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:19 pm:

Thus the "finger of land" starts at Keweenaw bay at L'anse. ending at Houghton and the Ieland is above Houghton.
Peninsula[n] a "large" mass of land projecting into a body of water
See Also: Alaska Peninsula, Anatolia, Arabia, Arabian Peninsula, Asia Minor, , Lower California, Lower Peninsula Upper Peninsula,--- Yucatan, Yucatan Peninsula

Webster's 1913 Dictionary

isthmus [n] a narrow band of tissue connecting two larger parts of an anatomical structure
[n] a relatively "narrow" strip of land (with water on both sides) connecting two larger land areas

See Also: Central America, dry land, earth, ground, Isthmus of Corinth, Isthmus of Kra, Isthmus of Panama, Isthmus of Suez, Isthmus of Tehuantepec, Karelian Isthmus, land, solid ground, terra firma, tissue

By Yooper in Indiana on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:21 pm:

The cozy garden use to be a great place to go after the teen center,,,was owned by Mr galleto, and then run by the schneller. Many memories from their and I agree,,, The Keweenaw starts near the road going to Copper City at Allouez.

By tc on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:28 pm:

Sorry Denny...those stones look nice but they are no Sauna stones....the best ones are out at the Calumet Waterworks

By BCT,mi on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:30 pm:

Sand stone doesn't make good sauna stones. It has a tendency to pop or even explode. It's porous thus has water or can get water trapped inside.
Notice the pole sticking out over the water? Jerry Marsy and a friend or two built what we called a "derrick" to retrive water from the lake. I'd guess that was in the '20s when my Grand father owned the store.
Later in the 50's, enterprising but thirsty sport fishermen who new where the store was would stop by for a case of Bosch lowered from the "derrick". Course there was more to it than the picture now shows.

By Bthecute1, San Jose on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:30 pm:

To $teve and Cousin Jack: I use to have an aunt and uncle that lived at 121 S Pewabic. They owned the jewelry store/watch repair in "Beautiful Downtown Laurium." Their name was Jutila. They also owned property in Jacobsville, and there was a trail down the sandstone cliffs to the beach area, that looked much like the picture above. There was also an open pit across the street were sandstone was quarried for the buildings built in that area.

By Dick B. on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:32 pm:

A couple of sites with references to the Portage Shipping Canal.

By Rob Paquette Milw, WI on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:36 pm:

Why don't people use their names, instead of code names? Let people know who you are.

By Bthecute1, San Jose on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:38 pm:

Agggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! This ia all giving me a headache!

By Green Bay 234 miles from thee Bridge on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:40 pm:

Before the canal was dreged creating the Island ..there was perhaps an isthmus of Keweenaw!If it is upper "peninsula" of Michigan is there an isthmus ..Perhaps west of the Menominee river I would think.

By CJ on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:48 pm:

Bthecute 1:
Yeah. I remember driving by that old quarry not long before I "trespassed" to snap my picture. It's quite beautiful through there.

By a finn Pole on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 04:01 pm:

Meatheads adj or n \met-heds\- To be of meatheadedness: Ex: Listen to those meatheads argue about land.

By Marsha, Genesee and Aura on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 04:10 pm:

Good one, finn Pole! Our cottage is on the east shore of Keweenaw Bay in Aura. We tell people that we can look westward and see both sunrises and sunsets. When the sun comes up in the morning the cliffs across the bay glow a blinding orange. Quite a sight to see!

By Lyn Rayrat on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 04:29 pm:

Suzanne - Wisconsin,

You are welcome. Please see yesterdays notes for a message I left for you. God Bless

By A finn pole on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 04:40 pm:

Actually I do enjoy some of the little debates that go on here. Since I'm not smart enough to join in I just make fun of the situation. I hope nobody gets offended by the meathead comments. Its all in fun. Lets see what I have learned: The keweenaw is North of the bridge or wait the umm....Copper Country is in the porkies but wait the UP is in Michigan but it is umm.....
How do you spell keweenaw?

By Troll in Eagle Harbor on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 04:48 pm:

The last time I looked up the word "hillbilly" the definition was " a lower Michigan farmer".Since that is the part of the state I hail from,I don't mind being called a hillbilly or troll...:)!HOPE ya'll have a great rest of today!

By BTC1n San Jose on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 04:51 pm:

You spell it Kiwi naw!

By Link, a troll on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 05:07 pm:

Thought you would like to see this.


By Wright Ky. on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 05:10 pm:

Hey, Bthecuteone in SAN JOSE. Did this Jutila in Jacobsville always drive a red convertible. Knew him in 64, if so is he still around.

By ALLIL Tucson,Az. on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 05:12 pm:

I agree with tc the best sauna rocks can be found at Calumet Waterworks.

By D & D on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 05:33 pm:

HEY EVERBODY, thanks for the tour of the UP!! I'M a lower water lock down Stater!! LOVE to read all about OUR great STATE. Keep up the GREAT pictures,and ALL the chit-chat. THIS IS BETTER than reruns on the T.V!! And you get to LEARN too.

Have a great evening.

By Duck Island bound on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 05:43 pm:

Only seven more days and I'll be smelling that wonderful revitalizing air once again! Any suggestions for the best products to use to keep the black flies away? Looking forward to seeing all the family in Copper Harbor for the 4th!

By LIZ, Pinckney, MI on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 05:51 pm:

Hey! Didn't anyone send ketchup with those pasty's to California?

By Audrey, San Jose, CA on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 05:59 pm:

Could someone tell me the correct pronunciation of Calumet? Thanks!

By Rather be fishin on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:03 pm:

Looks like someone caught a nice size fish on the Copper Harbor Cam yesterday. You can see the fishing line with the fish above the water.


By Rich in Illinois on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:03 pm:

Hey Tom in Green Bay, Spent much time aound the fire roasting hotdogs at the park there when I was a wee lad. My great grandfather was one of the first Game wardens in the U.P. and my mother has many wonderful pics. of that whole area there in Keweenaw Bay. The old Michigan Ballroom that I mentioned is just past the park on the right. It used to be part of the old Mass City Stamp Mill. Mom used to tell me about going to the dances there in the 30's with my grandparents and it had a great big glittering ball hanging from the ceiling much like the disco days of the 70's. Also had a huge window that used to look out over the bay. Today it it has a few apartments. The old miners homes acros the road and beyond used to be my summer stomping grounds.
My cousin and I did a silly thing one time. We took some rope and notted it up and climbed down those redrocks. It was just over 65'. My gosh we liked to have never made it back up. But we thought it was fine at the time. Grandpa didn't. Ended up pulling extra duty milking and haying. Just my 2 cents.

By kmr 5 O's on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:23 pm:

Duck Island bound.... Which duck are you? I'd suggest anything with Deet to keep the black flies away. Though it seems the black flies are usually pretty much gone by the 4th. Time for the mosquitoes!

By uper1 on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:36 pm:


By Confused in Calumet. on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:57 pm:

I know where that piciture of the red rocks,sandstone or whatever was taken. It aint far from hear, but you cant get there from hear either.

By Audrey, San Jose, CA on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 06:59 pm:

uper1... is the T pronounced in met? And thank you for responding!

By uper1 on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:39 pm:

Yup...u betcha!!

By Audrey, SJ, CA on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:41 pm:

:-) thanks!!

By flyntroll on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 08:52 pm:

Between Baraga and Entry.........no brainer....so I should win because I have....

By Paul on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:04 pm:

Clue for the photo, public access is just a wade away from one of the Copper Country state

By Tom, Green Bay on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:37 pm:

Rich in Illinois. My father used to go to dances at that Michigan Ball Room when he was a young, single guy. I don't know how they got there from Hancock. Car?
Anyone remember the street cars that ran from Hancock to Calumet? And Electric Park along the way, but nearer to Calumet? My older brothers went there for entertainment years ago.

By Gus LL on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 09:39 pm:

Northeast of Jacobsville towards Rabbit Bay.

By Jim, Arlington Tx. on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 10:14 pm:

I just call it HOME! See ya's in a few days.

By Love to laugh in NJ on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 10:40 pm:

Everyone here is more fun than a barrel of monkeys! You know- laughing is good for the immune system, so I want to thank y'all for a huge boost to mine!! Who needs cable TV when you have Pasty.com? Hahahaa!

By Duck Island bound on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 10:43 pm:

kmr 5 O's - I am one of the Bonde kids (of Al Jr.) Spent lots of summers in Copper Harbor. Thanks for the info on the deet. Although I would like to think the black flies are gone by now, I have spent a few days close to the 4th being chewed silly. Hopefully with the deet I won't have to worry so much.

By Paul , Webberville Troll on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 10:56 pm:

Hey Mr. Eagle Harbor Troll! I don't live to far from where you and you family grew up. Does that make me a "hillbilly" also?

By Ginny -Hayward, CA. on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 10:59 pm:

Cousin Jack-- Thanks for the photo of my backyard growing up. It was always an adventure just to get down to that part of the shore-- I know that area well. Jacobsville standstone was a treasure that was mined out of that area for a while..Back in the 1800's. Obviously, it was chosen for its beauty and "earthy" tones!
It is quite soft, so I guess that was one of the reasons the mining stopped.
It is NOT easy to get there now as that area is private property and closly guarded. But,I still would try to sneak down there just for fun and collecting sandstone.

Thank you for the picture!!

Gin-- Capt'n's dtr #3

By Sean, Illinois on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 11:04 pm:

The last definition I saw of 'Hillbilly' was the President and his wife.

By Bthecute1, San Jose on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 11:33 pm:

To Wright KY: There were two Jutila boys, cousins. My cousins property was lakeside, the other Jutila was across the street. I think they had a working farm. Both were much older that me. I was just a little kid. There names were Bob and I think Ron. As to the red convertible, don't know. I just know that I have a tomatoe red, 56 T-Bird, convertible in pristine condition that has about 40,ooo miles on it and has never left California. (one of my better acquisitions)

By wasayoopersaunagal on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 11:35 pm:

Best sauna rocks are the black ones, right?

By finngal on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 11:44 pm:

love to laugh in nj...I agree with you no need for cable tv when you have PastyCam...sure brightens my day & night!

By flyntroll on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 12:03 am:

I may be wrong, but as long as you are on the Lake, you are not tresspassing.........YUPPIE ALERT........YUPPIE ALERT.......That is not like YOOPER ALERT..........You will come to appreciate the difference over time............

By Kewee-what? on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 12:35 am:

Audrey---The CAL should sound like the first part of California.

By Catherine--Holland MI on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 12:36 am:

I will be up next week--how do I get to the washtub?

By J Toivola on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 01:29 am:

All of my summer attempts to round the second point behind Rockhouse Point have failed. Straddling the sandstone while inching along isn't much of a problem. The drama unfolding inches in front of my face and around my head is.The caves and crevices are home sweet home to an abundance of "juicy" spiders. Perhaps they are wondering what kind of creature is caught in the web this time as they observe my growling and flailing. The swarms of gnawing mosquitoes take my troubled mind away from the dangling spiders. The spiders occupy the part of my mind which should be used to concentrate on what my feet are doing. Defeated again. I carefully climb down into the water. The rocks are very slippery. I slowly wade to where the water is deep enough to swim. Ahhhh, relief! I can hide from the flies and mosquitoes by disappearing underwater. When I am once again walking along the sandy beach I tell those cliffs,"I'll be back!" Six months later I am back-on skis! Six months later I am back on foot...the circle has not been broken!

By Therese from just below the bridge on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 06:06 am:

Aaugh J Toivola! You make me duck my head and look towards the ceiling! Im glad there are spiders but not in my hair!

By BCT,mi on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 07:41 am:

That was a '63 Chevy,and don't forgot Epi!

By Brian G. on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 01:20 pm:

To bethecut1:
My grandfather (Wilbert Jutila) lived on the property you are talking about in Jacobsville My great grandfather (who died before I was born) originally owned the property. He did farm the property and was know for producing some of the best strawberries in the area during the 50's. As kids during the 60's and 70's we would have big parties on the beach down below the cliffs. Please email me more information about your family if you could. Also, Epi was my great uncle..a true UP oldtimer!

By Andy, Ohio on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 01:48 pm:

The CARMA survey sounds to me like the work of an avocationalist. Perhaps a hobby or spare time thing. The fact that the CARMA person uses an acronym that is one letter away from the word karma and also eschews anything to do with violence is also an indicator of this.

I work as an archaeologist (got my masters at Michigan Tech in Industrial Archaeology) and agree with a poster above that not including "hunting/violent" sites would essentially exclude perhaps 99% of all prehistoric sites on the continent. Hunting and its associated activities pretty much took place whereever native peoples stopped for the night (as well as a lot of European explorers and settlers). Fishing is an important industry in the historic settlement of the Lake Superior region, a lot of French-Canadian fishing villages were established around the same time as the first mineral explorations. If you examine the use of copper by native groups in the past, would you gloss over the copper fishhooks and spear points and knives?

Trapping? The whole establishment of the fur trade changed fundamental economic patterns for Eastern Woodland tribes. How can you hope to portray the culture of the tribes around the Great Lakes region if you don't address the fur trade and it's effects? I can understand with finding violence distasteful, but to ignore the effects of violent behavior in the lives of people, past and present, is to ignore a vital part of who we are and were.

Oh, and I would have guessed Jacobsville for the photo as well...

By CARMA Survey on Tuesday, July 6, 2004 - 03:52 am:

Would the author of this message please email webmaster@pasty.com

By Silenced on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 11:48 am:

So much sensorship. . .and so near the Forth of July, yet. Oh well, let Freedom ring.

By What's UP on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 01:58 pm:

I only see 1 item ..Censored,,
Is there more going on? He is asked to contact the site{under June 23rd above}well above the last post Censored post.

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