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Charlie at Pasty Central (Chopper) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 07:58 am:

Which year's photos in today's review were provided by Byykkonen's?

And how do you pronounce Byykkonen ??


By Deb S. (Usedtobeayooper) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:00 am:

2009 & 2007! And you pronounce it as Bike and then long o nen. Bikeonen!

Thanks for the great pictures!
First Post
In these parts they say it more like BUKE not Bike


By Deb S. (Usedtobeayooper) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:01 am:

Actually, I think it's pronounced as Bikeanen!! There, that's better!


By Alex "UP-Goldwinger" (Alex) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:02 am:

2009 2007 bike-on-in


By RD, Iowa (Rdiowa) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:02 am:

2007 - Ashley
2009 - Judy

and it is pronounced: BUE' kuh nen (rhymes with SUE kuh nen)
bird
Not quite, RD, that would sound like SOO kuh nen.

The actual pronunciation is: BYOO' kuh nen


By Deb S. (Usedtobeayooper) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:05 am:

Seriously?? We've always pronounced it Bikeanen!!! Amd I know Judy personally. I'm pretty sure Mary pronounces it that way too. Thanks for the correction, RD!!!

And even RD stands corrected

BYOO' kuh nen or BUKE' a nen


By Janie T. (Bobbysgirl) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:14 am:

Happy Friday the 13th! Lucky me, it's payday!


By RD, Iowa (Rdiowa) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:19 am:

Charlie, that's actually how I intended. Didn't realize SUE sounds like SOO, not SYOU. It is definitely BYOU' kuh nen

"you" with a b in front: BYOU (accented)
"uh" with a k in front: kuh
nen rhymes with "hen": nen


By Alex "UP-Goldwinger" (Alex) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:24 am:

Next time, how about Smith? :-)


By Gary W. Long (Gary_in_co) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:28 am:

I would pronounce it Jew-dee. I have Finnish roots and I married into a Polish family and have found that first names work just fine.


By Janie T. (Bobbysgirl) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:28 am:

Remember the Three Stooges, Swingin' with the Alphabet?


By Charlie at Pasty Central (Chopper) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:31 am:

Another way to explain it is by comparison to the 15th U.S. President, James Buchanan. His name has the accent on the second syllable: byoo CAN nen. Byykkonen has the accent on the first syllable: BYOO ka nen.


By Judy K (Finngal) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:57 am:

I'm with RD & Charlie on the pronunciation. I have relatives by that name. Bikeanen would be the "American" way to say it, Byoo' ka nen the Finnish pronunciation.


By Shirley Waggoner (Shirlohio) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 09:02 am:

Now, Charlie, in 'Dixie, where I was born';)..the president's name would be pronounced "BUCK"-hanan.


By kay Moore (Mskatie) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 09:11 am:

So glad I'm plain old "Moore". Although my maiden name "Hagie" could to be screwed up pretty bad.


By Tom (Tom) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 10:13 am:

Judy K has it right. There is the American way to pronounce names and the Finnish way. Some of the Finnish words/names are such tongue twisters they must be Americanized.
Alex, there are some Finnish people who did take the name Smith.


By Uncle Chuck (Unclechuck) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 10:22 am:

Nice review


By Capt. Paul (Eclogite) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 10:39 am:

With all this chatter about the English language, I'm sure FRNash will have something to say..... J


By Robert - CO (Halork) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 02:29 pm:

Since both my parents were Finnish and I grew up hearing the language a lot, I would pronounce Byykkonen with the Finnish 'y', which sounds like 'er' without the 'r' sound. Of course, that is probably not the way they pronounce it.


By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 02:45 pm:

Capt. Paul (Eclogite):

With all this chatter about the English language, I'm sure FRNash will have something to say..... J


You betcha, Cap'n!

"Bikeonen?"
"Bikeanen?"

Eeek! Certainly not — unless the family has adopted an anglicised (anglicized) pronunciation!

In the original Finnish, the "Y" is pronounced somewhat like French U or German U-umlaut (Ü, i.e. U with two dots above it).

This can cause some difficulties for English-speaking people, but you might try the following: prepare your mouth for pronouncing the i sound (as in "hit") but round your lips and breathe out.

And the longer version of y ("yy"), is pronounced somewhat like Scottish "stew".

As Charlie noted above, in Finnish, stresses are completely regular. The main stress always falls on the first syllable of the word, and secondary stresses follow on the third, fifth, seventh syllable etc. When an odd-numbered syllable is the last in a word, it has no stress.


Tom (Tom):

"… Some of the Finnish words/names are such tongue twisters they must be Americanized.
Alex, there are some Finnish people who did take the name Smith."

… and some folks took the name "Hill" (Finnish: "Mäki"), etc.

I would know something about that. You can imagine how our family name: "Nakkula" was butchered in Detroit in the 1940s. Correct Finnish pronunciation, approximately "Knuck" (as in knuckle) + "oo" + "la", with the accent on the "Knuck" of course. The anglicised pronunciation : rhymes with "Dracula" . Oh gawd!

The inability of any non-Finn to either spell or pronounce the name eventually lead to legally changing the name to "Nash", circa 1948.

If anyone is interested, Here's a handy audio (!) Finnish pronunciation guide. [Note how the speaker pronounces "Finnish" as "Finnis", as there is no "sh" sound in Finnish language!]

A funny thing about the Finnish "R" sound ("the most entertaining letter in the Finnish language"): As a kid, while pushing my toy vehicles around, I used to use the Finnish "R" as a "motor sound"! :-)
By
jbuck (Jbuck) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 02:56 pm:

So Capt Paul and Dr Nat,

When are you going to put in a suggestion to take Mike from "Dirty Jobs" on a Geology related jaunt? They just had a show which was more related to fossils, but slipped into Geology for a bit ~ and i thought "we know a couple who would be great at this!!!"


By Michael Du Long (Mikie) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 05:46 pm:

I think Judy's name should be pronounced the way she wants it to be. Not the way anyone else has decided it should be. After all it is her name. I prefer my last name to be pronounced as Doolong, while many people pronounce it Duhlong, which bothers me. I know the French pronounce it differently, that is their right. It is our right to refer to our names as we want to.


By Shirley Waggoner (Shirlohio) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 06:55 pm:

There you go, Mikie....I'm in your corner on this! Just so's nobody calls me 'Wa-gon-neer' (as in a Jeep) or 'Wag-gawner' (as in a 'goner')


By Alex "UP-Goldwinger" (Alex) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 07:16 pm:

I have spoken to Judy and her last name is pronounced, "Don't call me later for dinner!"


By Capt. Paul (Eclogite) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:44 pm:

By jbuck (Jbuck) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 02:56 pm:
So Capt Paul and Dr Nat, When are you going to put in a suggestion to take Mike from "Dirty Jobs" on a Geology related jaunt?


Why take Mike along; Dr. Nat has always wanted to have a Discovery Channel program of her own wandering the Earth in search of neat geologic locations and/or items to present. And, the Dr. just informed me that she will more than likely be creating her own YouTube channel beginning this summer after our latest overseas trip talking about geology and the great places one can see it.

Now, if we could only get Discovery to bite......


By jbuck (Jbuck) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 09:39 pm:

How cool!!!

If you know of any way to 'put in a good word' with Discovery, just let us know!


By kay Moore (Mskatie) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 10:51 pm:

Wow I'd watch anything by Dr. Nat on Discovery.


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