July 17-05

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Charlie at Pasty Central on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 10:08 am:

Besides the daily pictures and interaction on the Pasty Cam, Pasty Central is host to dozens of U.P. websites with rich historic content, which changes daily, weekly or monthly. One such feature can be found on the award-winning CopperRange.org, which includes a "Picture of the Month". This is a pre-WWII shot along the Manistique and Lake Superior Railroad, which you can explore in a book by Hugh Hornstein entitled "The Haywire". This particular image is from the Keith Niles Collection, with thanks to Clint Jones for preserving the memory.

Here at Pasty.NET we feel a kinship with the gentlemen in today's photo. They were using the existing resources and infrastructure, along with a few modifications, to expedite mail delivery to remote areas of the U.P. Across the Keweenaw Peninsula, Pasty.NET has constructed a wireless Internet system, which flows from Calumet to points north - Copper Harbor, Agate Harbor, Eagle Harbor, Eagle River, Lac La Belle, Bete Gris, and Gay - bringing brodband connections to families and businesses where none previously existed. Just as these mid-Twentieth Century yoopers in today's Shoebox Memory served the communication needs of U.P. residents, so the Pasty.NET staff is attempting to fill a gap in high-speed access to the Information Superhighway.

Stay cool, and have a good week :o)

By B in gb on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 10:16 am:

A 1936 Buick you say..Gee this looks more like a '26 Buick..My dad had a '37 that looked very different..

By John , MI on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 10:23 am:

I agree with B in gb. No way is this a '36 Buick.
'30s cars were way different looking. Here's a link with a pic of a '36 Buick.

By Kevin @ CopperRange.org on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 10:30 am:

OK guys, then what year is it? The photo was taken in 1936, that's for sure.

By Renee in NE AL on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 10:32 am:

Hello all
I did a search for both 1926 and 1936 Buicks on the net. The one in today's picture does indeed look like the 1926 one. Typos happen I guess. :-)
I hope everyone is staying cool. It is very strange indeed to see temperatures up north exeeding the ones down here in NE AL.
Have a great rest of the weekend!
Best wishes,

By John, MI on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 10:34 am:

Kevin, it could be a 1926 Buick. Looks similar to this one..http://rutgerbooy.nl/Buick%201926.jpg

By In Wi on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 10:35 am:

or these 26's..

By Kevin @ CopperRange.org on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 10:49 am:

In reviewing my material I found that it is a 1923 Buick, anyone want to confirm. The 1926 has 2 side windows, the '23 3 side windows. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks Pasty.com for allowing our history to be preserved and well presented.

By B in gb on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 11:28 am:

here is a '26 3- window Buick limo in England! ..decked out for a wedding.. http://www.bridesvisited.co.uk/images/Carriages/vintage/E_1926%20Buick%20Limousine.jpg

By Kevin @ CopperRange.org on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 11:35 am:

Dead ringer, thanks for confirming B in gb. BTW, the image here is from the Mark Worrall collection, the other image I am featuring this month was from the Keith Niles collection. OK, now time to relax. Have a great week everyone.

By jAPEi on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 11:46 am:

This also two oldCarLinks:




By Mary Lou on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 12:25 pm:

I love a mystery!!! and I love learning....Today's exchange proves that we Yoopers will not accept incorrect information (BS)...and thanks to folks like"Kevin-Copper Range" and "B in gb" we get the facts!!...love it!!

By Fran,Ga on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 12:54 pm:

I was going to guess a 29 Buick or there abouts. My Dad had one and if my memory serves me right the back end wasn't as boxy.The corners were more rounded and I think it only had 4 windows.It was sort of a dark aquamarine color. It was a fancy car for the time. The upholstery was sort of velvety and it had side curtains for the back windows.It also had little hanging straps for you to hold onto. In 1952 or so, my brother drove it to Milwaukee for my neices baptism. The car did fine but we could not get off of Vliet St!!!LOL I was about 15 at the time.

By Fran,Ga. on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 12:57 pm:

Gee,the more I look at the picture I think ours must have had 3 windows on each side also.

By Charles in Adrian, MI on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 01:57 pm:

This pic (almost) brings back memories. Somewhere in the mid
-1940s a friend of my father in Manistique took us on a Sunday
excursion to a lumber camp he was running in the Manistique
area. It was fascinating tho as a kid I mostly paid attention to all
the flapjacks those lumberjacks got to eat each day. That job
didn't seem half-bad with breakfasts like that!(Being kind of a
"dumb Swede" probably helped to like the idea of that job too.)
Anyway, I am wondering if the Manistique & Lake Superior RR
might have been used to haul lumber out of camps like that.
The rivers in that area seem too twisty and narrow to have been
much use in running trees to the mills.

By Kevin @ CopperRange.org on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 03:01 pm:

Charles in Adrian, The mainstay of the M&LS was timber, supplying mills in Manistique. When it ran out it's days were numbered.

By bryan mi on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 03:49 pm:

just a lil tidbit "The Haywire," more properly known as the Manistique and Lake Superior Railroad for much of its existence, was one of what Wills Dunbar called the "Little Fellows." In its earliest days it was the product of a New York visionary who saw a bright future for the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Its builders laid track through gloomy swamps, heavy forests, and treacherous muskegs. During its three-quarters of a century of existence, it carried iron ores, lumber, pulpwood, alcoholic beverages, and livestock. Having limited passenger accommodations, it carried passengers in both passenger cars as well s cabooses, in rail-mounted motor cars and even, on occasion, in the locomotive cabs. Briefly, it even carried them on its own railroad car ferry. The Haywire played a major role in the industrial development of Manistique and Schoolcraft counties. But for much of its existence it existed in virtual anonymity--merely the northern branch of a Lower Peninsula railroad. Started by visionaries, it was finished by scavengers. By 1968 The Haywire had outlived its usefulness; it had become an economic drain on its parent, the Ann Arbor, which also had economic problems. With one exception, the industries it had helped found had ceased to exist. Trucks, cars, and a major class 1 railroad had taken over virtually all of its traffic; and so on 18 July 1968, at 12:01 A.M. it ceased to exist.

By gs on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 03:51 pm:

These images are one's Hugh's research did not uncover, a 1923 Buick modified for mail and passenger service on the M&LS. The first one has a caption that says "Vern Niles in front of the, only one of its type in the world, mail car for the Haywire. Car designed by S.P. Reid, Circa 1936 (Keith Niles Collection), sent along to me by Clint

By Helen in Hubbell on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 03:56 pm:

The e-mail listed in Charlie's message says it is a 23 Buick.................

I don't know what happened to my first post regarding the question?????

Yooper cyber I guess.......

By Mary Lou on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 05:06 pm:

Charles, Kevin and Bryan..One of my best friends is the former Carol Howard (now Courneen)from Shingelton...her dad was Carl Howard who owned a number of sawmills in that area. I am having dinner with her tonight and she'd love it if someone remembered her father. She often talkes about the sawmills and how she'd run errands for her father...hope someone remembers him. She said he was a wonderful dad and she was his only child....he bought her a new convertible for her graduation from Manistique High School....sounds like a very good dad......

By Alex Tiensivu, Georgia on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 08:41 pm:

What a shot! I wish I could have done that!

By yahoo in flatland on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 09:49 pm:

(From yesterdays cam page...)
"Would you believe, this group of enthusiastic painters are creating a big ROSE on the runway?? More about it on tomorrow's Shoebox Memory"

No mention today about the airport project?

Whats Up with it?
(This is not a complaint, just curious.)

By Mary Lou on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 11:03 pm:

Charles, Kevin & Bryan.....Had dinner with Carol Howard Courneen and she said her father owned lumbercamps..not sawmills... and I guess he hauled the logs to the mills by his trucks.....not trains....

By Hugh A. Hornstein, Michigan on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 08:32 am:

For what it is worth, the 1940 AARR/M&LS RR Locomotive Equipment diagram book of January 1940, issued by the "Supt. Motive Power Decatur, Ill." identifies this as "M. & L. S. R.R. Buick Motor Car No. 2F 6 cylinder Built 1923".

Unfortunately, it does not identify the car or engine serial numbers, or horse power, as it does for the other motor car, a Dodge built in 1922, which was numbers 3F.

Hugh in Muskegon

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