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Eight years ago on the Pasty Cam: 12/07/99 ^{Printed on Recycled Internet}

I remember taking this shot like it was yesterday, strolling along the dunes in Eagle River eight year ago. Though no snow back then, today in the same spot you would be knee deep.

Good Morning

Some of my favorite pictures are of all the Lighthouses along the shores of the lakes in Michigan.

Mornin'

Good morning heading for Manistee for the Victorian days and to see my grandkids there. My daughter will be taking me there with her kids, but I will be staying in a hotel since I know how hard it is to give up your bed when you are a kid. Had a dusting last night not even worth talking about. I love a parade and looking forward to this one. I found a way to squirm out of shopping with Precious the other day and any guy who wants to know contact me for the info.

Good Morning, Everyone from snowy mid-Michigan. We didn't get a ton, just a couple of inches, but it's still coming down, here in the middle of the land. We have just enough to mess up the commute to work and school. :-) My special needs son will be one happy camper to have more snow. I was looking at what we had last night, and it had a thick layer of glaze on top then. Our driveway was fun, but the secondary streets are rut city; they will separate the good shock absorbers from the bad, LOL.

TGIF, Everyone! I hope you have a great weekend in Manistee, Mikie & all!

Good morning! It's VERY cold here in mid MN this morning. I believe it's -4. BRRRR!!

Mikie you have a great time with Michelle and family. We'll miss you while you're gone. Glad you got out of shopping. Maybe I'll ask how you did it. MR. Deb is the shopper in this house. He enjoys it more than I do.

The lack of snow is amazing. I wonder what the lake levels were like back then.

A little history on U.P. technology...

After having dug to a depth of 10 meters last year, Scottish scientists
found traces of copper wire dating back 100 years and came to the
conclusion that their ancestors already had a telephone network more
than 100 years ago.

Not to be outdone by the Scots, in the weeks that followed, British
scientists dug to a depth of 20 meters, and shortly after, headlines in
the UK newspapers read: 'British archaeologists have found traces of 200
year old copper wire and have concluded that their ancestors already had
an advanced high-tech communications network a hundred years earlier
than the Scots.'

One week later, 'The Keweenaw Archaeologist Club, located in Calumet, Mich.
reported the following: 'After digging as deep as 30 meters at the Quincy Mine,
Ole Johnson, a self taught archaeologist, reported
that he found absolutely nothing. Ole has therefore concluded that 300
years ago, the Keweenaw had already gone wireless.

Good story, Dave.

Dave S.: When that story was published in the June 2007 of the Finnish American Reporter, Heikki Maki of Toivola was the self-taught archaeologist. Maybe it was a simultaneous conclusion?

... and if you've even attempted to use a cell phone in Copper Harbor, you'll know just how "wireless" we are.

Cute story, thanks.

Good one David S, but it was Toivo and Eino digging for spuds or pasties the miners may have left.

Ahh, Mrbill, a cell phone works on top of Brockway Mountain, LOL!

Alex --

In early December 1999, Lake Superior was about 7 inches below its December long-term average level. Right now, Superior is about 11 inches below long-term average for December.

Fill all upbound lakers ballasts with clean lake water and dump it in Deluth. Think how many gallons would be replaced!

Dec 7th, "a day that will live on in infamy". How soon we forget, I have yet to here or see any mention. Sad but true.

Allen,
I told all the cashiers and accounting folks they had to remember Pearl Harbor today. Several knew and it was explained nicely to our international student.

I was just thinking about posting something about today's being Pearl Harbor Day, Allen. Thank you for bringing it up. I have not forgotten, but I fear that many of my peers and those younger might have forgotten. (Ok, I was not born until a decade later, but I learned a lot about it from my parents, and we learned a ton about it in history classes when I was in school.) It's a shame that today's curriculum does not teach the students much about American history, after, say World War I. It does not teach much about world history, either. The curriculum for today's social studies classes focuses the time on "global issues" and the like, both in high school and in college.

I was taught that you have to learn American history and world history, to keep history from repeating itself. That lesson seems to have been all but forgotten today.

I still have a JAP hunting license issued by a local tavern in about 1942-43. Some of us elders will never forget !

A post to mention that Margaret J. Schutz has passed away Tuesday. She was preceded in death by her Husband Edward, and her sister, Barbara Luttinen. Her parents, Laurence and Katherine Michel, of the Hubbell area are also deceased.

Hello .. is here somebody who want go TEXAS;
http://www.okmetic.com/

Thank you for the interesting link, Japei. There are a lot of people who WANT to go to Texas. Austin is the second Silicon Valley, with large computer manufacturers as Dell, Apple, et al, who have major facilities either in or near Austin. The cost of living in Austin is very much cheaper than that of the original Silicon Valley. And, companies are actually leaving Silicon Valley because it is too expensive for their workers to leave anywhere near there. Besides Silicon Valley (south of San Francisco, CA), there are two other areas in the US, with similar clusters: Austin, TX, and the greater Seattle, WA area. In addition, Washington, DC also has a good-size computer-type work force because of the government. :-)

The urban areas of Texas are not what they were when I grew up down there, so I've read, seen, and heard. And, I could not take the heat in the summer down there anymore. We moved up here in 1979, and we have no plans to move anywhere.

The Japenesee won the peace and lost the war. They now own most of this country because of the auto business. Nicky Redding of Hubbell was on one of the boats at Pearl Harbor. He would tell stories about his experiences and I would sit there and listen to him. This was back in the forties and the early fifties. Can't wait for Dani to get out of school so we can start our adventure to Manistee.

Patience Grasshopper...

This morning I enjoyed a breakfast pasty from "The Hut." Charlie,you have a winner!
I remember December 7,1941 as if it were yesterday.It was a moment that changed our lives forever in countless ways. I would hope we had learned something from that and the wars that followed but, if we did, I can't see evidence of it.

Maybe the Austin you remember Marianne was very much cheaper than California, but not anymore!! Home prices anywhere within 50 miles of Austin are pushing what they are in Phoenix and Vegas, and the price of everything has risen considerably in the past 5-8 years.

I suppose there are actually people who want to come to Texas...... foolish souls, lol; this Yooper wants back to the northwoods in the worst way ;-)

Don't suggest filling lake freighters with "clean" water from down below. Almost all of it has a hemorrhagic virus that affects fish. Behind the scenes people are working "feverishly" to prevent it's entry into Lake Superior. Let your congressman know you support the effort to keep Lake Superior free of this new threat!

Hi Dunerat!!! Hope things are going well at your place.

Tom, I was 9 years old at Pearl Harbor Day. We have a family here in our town who lost a son in the Bataan Death March and another son that I have coffee with most mornings,that went through Okinawa. He still doesn't talk about it!

I agree on the part, Capt Paul, that Austin, or anywhere else in Texas, is not as cheap as it was when we lived down there. But the folks from Silicon Valley will tell you the very same thing that I wrote earlier, including Apple Computer employees (I have talked to several of them), who are so very thankful they are in Austin and not the original Silicon Valley, or they wish they could move to Austin. You can not buy any homes at all, of any size, for under something like $1 million in the original Silicon Valley. I have seen the Austin real estate values, (Austin American Statesman), and you can do a whole lot better in the greater Austin area, today, believe me. There are people working with very good jobs in the original Silicon Valley, who live in homeless shelters because they can not even afford the rent of anything out there.

I know you want back to the UP, and I agree with you, but, by the same token a lot of people do want to either move to or back to Texas. Different strokes for different folks, or something like that. (I guess I knew that post would get a rise out of you, as for wanting to move back to the UP, just like I don't want to move back to what is now the "new" Texas.) :-)

Marianne, they also work in Eagle Harbor and Eagle River too. :)

UM and Sis Norma, fill out the Profile Page, then you've arrived!

'Tis true, Uncle Chuck, in very tiny numbers, but not in the large numbers previously alluded too.

For that matter, a point that I have previously mentioned is that some of the software companies, etc, are putting in good-sized call centers on the plains of North Dakota. Why? Because the costs of doing business there are so very much cheaper, and the cost of living for their employees is quite small, so they do not have to pay them as much to compensate for a high cost of living, further reducing the cost of doing business there. I previously asked on this forum why something like major call or major repair centers, etc, could not be started up in Copper Country, but I did not get a response to the questions, then. I can sort of answer the major repair center question, because it might be difficult to get products in and out in a timely manner for repair, in a difficult winter. The major silicon areas have large airports near them, that do not typical have significant airport delays. On the other hand, weather problems should not affect a call center, where people answer technical questions on phones or on computers (unless there is a power outage), etc. :-)

A call center is operating very successfully in Iron River and is undergoing a rapid expansion. Winter weather does not seem to be an impediment.
The U.P. work ethic is a major factor. As a former Calumet resident, I can see no reason why similar operations, which do not require major transportation facilities, only good communication
technology, would not be successful in the Copper Country. The proximity od Michigan Tech would be a major asset.

I did not forget it was Pearl Harbor Day either. I brought it up at work though, and many had forgotten. Even if you're young, you should not forget this date. You learn it in history class in school, and since it was such an awful time in our country, you shouldn't forget.

It was also my grandmother's birthday so I have two things to remember on this day.