Off-the-wall conversation

Past-E-Mail: Cam Notes - 2007: October: Oct 23-07: Tuesday-What'sUP: Off-the-wall conversation
By
David Hiltunen (Davidcorrytontn) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 12:33 pm:

Ed. note: This thread of conversation has been set aside for two reasons: 1) Apparently some Cammies want to discuss this troubling High School newspaper article, and 2) for readability of the normal What'sUP conversation.

For a millennium, the world has been plagued with stupid people corrupting society and bastardizing the value of life for all of mankind.

The intellectually handicapped have been reproducing at a substantially greater rate than those with a fully functional brain.

The problem of the unintelligent reproducing is, and has been, a serious threat to society that has gone unchecked for far too long. It is the responsibility of man to solve this problem before a reverse Darwinism takes effect.

It is depressing to think (especially at the high school age) that people with a high IQ are generally stereotyped as "geeks" or "nerds" because they choose to do more intellectually stimulating activities like homework, and reading, instead of those activities preferred by their peers like power lifting, full contact football without head protection, or crushing cans on one's head. So while the intelligent are exiled from the masses, the ignorant are cherished and embraced.

Due to the substantial amount of low IQ reproduction and relatively low amount of high IQ reproduction, the intelligent become fewer and farther between.

Since mankind obviously cannot control itself enough to make strides for the future, the populace spins into an out of control state of reverse Darwinism where the stupid people survive and the smart people perish.

Some form of action must be taken, one which can be governed effectively and immediately to pull a populace from a malevolent tailspin toward disaster.

First off, charity should be outlawed. No longer should people be allowed to use their children as a source of income. People who cannot afford to have kids simply should not have kids. Unemployment benefits also must be disbanded — go get a job. That isn't to say those with disabilities should not be helped, but not with handouts, just a hand. One of the greatest minds of the century, Stephen Hawking, is immobile. Yet the courageous Mr. Hawking still manages to make strides in the areas of physics, despite being confined to his wheelchair.

Second, the government should compile a standardized test to thoroughly analyze any and all 5th grade students in the country for IQ levels. Based on the results of the test, those who perform in the bottom 25 percent should be executed. The executions will not be inhumane; simple lethal injections while one sleeps would be sufficient. With the bottom of every class systematically removed, over time the world would inevitably thrive and prosper like never before.

It is true that, without the unintelligent, there will be no one to mess up one's order at the local fast food joint, or people on the news to give one something humorous to talk about at the water cooler at work the next morning, but that is a sacrifice, as a race, that simply must be made.
This was written by student, Justin Jones for East Coweta High School newspaper, that got the Principal's boxers in a bunch.
By
Tom Karjala (Tom) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 01:18 pm:

Wow, the content of Dave's email has smacks of Hitler's attempt to create a pure and superior race.
No wonder the principal's shorts got tight. But, freedom of expression (thought) should not be done away with..........


By David Hiltunen (Davidcorrytontn) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 02:26 pm:

Justin Jones Journalisn class teacher is no longer a teacher at that school.All the copies distributed were rounded up,and now the High School paper has to be approved by a board before released.Justin,was on a radio talk show I was listening to this morning.He is a Senior,and a very well spoken youngman with high hopes of becomming a Journalist.I did not hear him utter the word (like)one time while his mother got him out of school to call the radio show. He said it was just an assignment for his class.


By Snowman (Snowman) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 02:36 pm:

That is one sick kid. I believe in freedom of speech but sounds like this kid doesn't believe in freedom.


By Rowdy (Roudymi) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 03:09 pm:

Just 'cause he can think on his own he's sick? Come on. He's not hollering fire in a crowded building. Whether you go for it or not let's realize what it was, an article. What about Darwin. Was he sick to?


By Marianne Y (Marianne) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 03:15 pm:

Darwin believed in "survival of the fittest", but he did not advocate going out and murdering 25% of the human race. I agree with Snowman, on this one.


By Rowdy (Roudymi) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 03:19 pm:

(too) sorry


By Marianne Y (Marianne) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 03:22 pm:

I neglected to add that that kid is not advocating execution for doing some horrible crime that hurt or killed other members of the human race. This would be outright, plain old Murder, just because the person is alive and likely never hurt a flea.


By FJL (Langoman) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 04:21 pm:

Nice to see some posts about something other than the weather.....


By Matt Karhu (Matt_k) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 04:53 pm:

David H's posting reminds me somewhat of the radical right-wing rhetoric of Limbaugh and Hannity and their clones, and "white power" advocates. Freedom of speech is desirable except when it is used to corrupt people and nations with lies that create reasons for unjustified warfare.


By David Hiltunen (Davidcorrytontn) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 05:11 pm:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.


At about the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in the year 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The University of Edinborough) had this to say about "The Fall of The Athenian Republic" some 2,000 years prior:


By Matt Karhu (Matt_k) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 05:35 pm:

I have seen the contents of Dave's first paragraph elsewhere on the internet and in published material. Does anyone know what internet site and what publication that would have been?


By Snowman (Snowman) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 05:49 pm:

Was the kid's "assignment" titled "Mein Kampt"?

David, isn't the name of the game called "wealth and power"?


By BJmilford (Bjmilford) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 05:54 pm:

Here's a little background on the article:

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/printedition/2007/10/23/speeched1023.html


By David Hiltunen (Davidcorrytontn) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 06:01 pm:

Matt K; Maybe on snopes.com
No Snowman,belive it or not it is titled Another'modest propospal


By Snowman (Snowman) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 06:21 pm:

How modest and what a proposal. :(

The kid needs some exercise, too much TV?


By FJL (Langoman) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 06:33 pm:

Always a pleasure to hear Rush. Gotta run. Time for Hannity........


By k j (Kathiscc) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 07:01 pm:

I don't know, the bottom 25% are probably the ones who do hurt or kill members of the human race. Interesting theory.


By john mich (Johnofmi) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 07:30 pm:

Looks like it is also garbage day on Pasty Cam!


By Marianne Y (Marianne) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 07:51 pm:

Amen, Johnofmi Thank you for pointing that out. :-)


By Pennie (Trolldiva) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 07:56 pm:

That post is just plain sick. Especially about killing 5th graders. This post has no place on this board and should be removed.


By Kathy P. (Katiaire) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 08:32 pm:

OOps, guess I didn't get to read David's quote from Alexander Tyler...as it seems to have vanished. Using invisible ink again, David?

Occasionally things have to be overstated in order to catch our fleeting attention. When one really looks at the message, it is not so off base. NO, I am NOT advocating killing 5th graders! I am asking you to read David's second post. I think the US is in about the phase of dependency to bondage. We are asking the government to take care of us at the price of freedom.

Plus everyone wants more laws passed to force all to think and act like them...there is no room for compromise and acceptance. Well, again, with each nonsensical law more freedom is lost.


By Russell E. Emmons (Russemmons) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 09:00 pm:

Matt k: Of all unexpected places check out www.northbirding.com At the top of the home page are several links in which you might find what you are refering to. Check the one on the right :"Sound Principals" regards a speech at the Detroit Economic Club! Keith is a great guy and has a fine website here but his political postings, ideas are a bit way out in "right" field for most and definetely out of place on a bird & wildlife website.


By Matt Karhu (Matt_k) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 09:47 pm:

Thank you Russell, David, and Bjmilford for responding to my request for information. Hyvaa yota.


By Theresa R. Brunk (Trb0013) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 07:41 pm:

Moved here from the main picture page

Wonder how many of those people swinging that ax and stacking that wood, would not have been there if they had been in the lower 25% in 5th grade, according to the (post above). Ridiculas that that post is allowed.


By David Hiltunen (Davidcorrytontn) on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:42 pm:

Sorry for the extra work you had to do because of my news article.

In the 1700s, most London gentlemen made a daily visit to their coffee house, but not for coffee. These were places to read, bet and gossip; clubby, sexist places (women took tea at India houses) where a man could receive sensitive letters, exchange confidences and network his way to power. If you were a "writer, like Jonathan Swift in 1703, had hopes of being one -- you would want a chair at Button's coffee-house, where the famous Joseph Addison was star, and star-maker.
In life, according to those who knew or have written about him, Jonathan Swift was a complex combination of satire and friendship, charity and churlishness. In death too: his self-written epitaph reads in part, "Here lies the body of Jonathan Swift...where savage indignation can no longer lacerate his heart"; his will leaves his entire estate for the founding of "an hospital... for idiots and lunatics."There is no greater sign of a general decay of virtue in a nation, than a want of zeal in its inhabitants for the good of their country.


By Russell E. Emmons (Russemmons) on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 02:30 am:

In the 1700s they had "Maximum" wage laws! This was to limit the "rabble" (everyday commoners,& poor folks) to keep them busy with shelter, survival, food. Idea was when rabble got more money they had more time and wanted political power. Surely one of the several reasons for the American Revolution! The age old struggle between the haves and the have-nots! Until somewhere in the 1800s (Most likely after the Civil War) there were only 2 classes, the very rich, aristocracy, politicians, land barons etc. and the commoners (rabble!) With the advent of the labor unions the middle class evolved. Whatever one thinks of the unions despite their own internal corruption, there simply would not have been/be a middle class!

"OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE!"
Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 1863


"Here is your country. Cherish these natural wonders, cherish the natural resources,----the history---the romance, for your children and your childrens' children. Do not let selfish men or greedy interests skin your country of its beauty, its riches or its romance!"
Theodore Roosevelt (Republican!)


By Deb S. (Usedtobeayooper) on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 07:07 am:

I like this page. It's refreshing to have a debate going.


By Kathy P. (Katiaire) on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 09:27 am:

Wonderful idea...a page for some thought provoking discussions. Thanks Charlie & Mary!!!


By FJL (Langoman) on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 10:27 am:

A fellow poster mentioned that "freedom of speech is desirable except when it is used to corrupt people and nations with lies and deceit", something "MoveOn.org" does everyday.....Love this site..........


By Sheri (Sheri) on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 10:40 am:

Corrupt people and nations with lies and deceit might also pertain to George Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Dick Cheney, et al etc., etc.


By k j (Kathiscc) on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 07:52 pm:

Check this out. http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp


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