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Charlie at Pasty Central (Chopper) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 07:57 am:

Here's a real blast from the past. The folks from Still Waters, treated by Captain Kilpela to a color cruise on Portage Canal. Eight years ago the lady on the right - Martha Serenbetz - was the pleasant voice of Pasty Central, when you called weekdays to order.

By Happy to be in the U.P. (Lahelo) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 08:03 am:

Good Morning everyone!!
First Post

By Matt Karhu (Matt_k) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 08:26 am:

Hyvaa huomenta.

By Paul Oesterle (Paulwebbtroll) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 08:38 am:

Good morning! WJR weather channel is forecasting 90 degrees for the Detroit area Sunday afternoon! Help. I have forgotten how to make the degree icon on my number pad.

By Theresa R Brunk (Trb0013) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 08:40 am:

Good Morning everyone from Florida where the current temp is 79º with 100% humidity. Times like this I would like to stay inside all day :(

By Marianne Y (Marianne) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 08:53 am:

Good Morning, Everyone! A record-breaking 89 degree high is forecast for here today. That would be fine in the summer, but it is lousy for high school and college bands in very heavy wool uniforms, with just as heavy satin capes, that have to do their full high-stepping performances on the football field, in the sun. (My son's high school is going to CMU in Mt Pleasant today. His band marches just before the CMU band.) Anyway, here's hoping that all of the kids stay well-hydrated, and do ok in the heat!

Have a good day, y'all, and stay cool! Our fall color is late and muted here in mid-Michigan this year. This would normally be our peak time here, by my standards, that include some green. But we do have a couple of brilliant red trees around town to enjoy.

By Erja from Finland (Erja) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 09:03 am:

Tervehdys jälleen Suomesta ja iloista syksyä kaikille!

By NKR (Nkr) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 09:11 am:

Good morning from Mishawaka IN. Its a sunny and pleasant 69° this morning. Its suppose to get up to 87° today. Have a good day everyone.

By NKR (Nkr) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 09:42 am:

Has anyone heard anything about or from George Hite?

By Brooke (Lovethekeweenaw) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 10:18 am:

Good Morning, warm already. Keeping the kid outside this weekend as much as possible, not too much longer and the weather will turn so enjoy it while we can.

By F.F. (Flipflop) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 10:49 am:

Where did the summer go ?
Nowhere !
At least it cools off at nite unlike those hot,humid never ending days of July/Aug.
I see a new geological canyon has been exposed in Canyon Lake Gorge TX

How 'bout it Capt. Got your reservation yet ??

By kay Moore (Mskatie) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 11:38 am:

Marianne I know where you're coming from. At one point five of my six young 'uns were teenagers at the same time. Between football, pompons and band we were so busy. Remember times I was the only mom at the ropes along the football field freezing my parts and times when we were all sweating when they were in the parade at homecoming or marching in the parade at the Carroll County Fair. But enjoy it while you can. First thing you know, they will be running their teens the same way! (That's why I never colored my hair. by golly. I earned that grey hair! :>)

By Marianne Y (Marianne) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 11:47 am:

Ms Katie, I'm just worried about some of the kids in the bands getting heat exhaustion and other heat illnesses, doing such rigorous exercise in the sun with all of those heavy clothes on, in predicted record breaking heat.

You are right. They do grow up too fast. My oldest graduates from Mich Tech in May.

By Grace M Wetton (Gmw) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 12:07 pm:

Good Afternoon everyone! 54 degrees and rain here in Houghton. No raking leaves today.

By Kathy P. (Katiaire) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 01:19 pm:

What DID happen to the stimulating conversations on this site??? It has really gotten boring!!!!

By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 01:37 pm:

Kathy P. (Katiaire):
" What DID happen to the stimulating conversations …"

It does seem to be picking up a bit today; I just hope it will all come together once again!

By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 01:43 pm:

"Pyta vey",
Let's see how my Finnish/English translation skills are today (usually pretty shakey!):

"Hyvaa huomenta." (actually that should be: "Hyvää huomenta."
That's easy: "Good morning."

"Tervehdys jälleen Suomesta ja iloista syksyä kaikille!"
(Not to be a nit picker, but shouldn't that be "… kaikkille" ?) :-)

English, approximately: "Greetings again from Finland and a joyous autumn to all!"

By Grace M Wetton (Gmw) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 02:24 pm:

Kathy P.-sorry if some of us sound boring to you.

By Kathy P. (Katiaire) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 02:44 pm:

Ah, Grace, don't take my comment personally...I do enjoy reading about the weather in the UP. The leaves here in N/W IL are still green and on the trees. I think they will fall just as the snow there won't be any raking here at all.
I do miss some of the banter that used to go on here, that's all.

By Judy Kinnunen (Finngal) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 03:50 pm:

Frnash...similar translation..."Greetings once again from Finland and a happy fall to everyone."
(Tervehdys jälleen Suomesta ja iloista syksyä kaikille!) Not sure of the spelling of Finnish words tho...translation from my brother, "the Finn in the family".
If there's anything I miss about the UP, its fall!

By Judy Kinnunen (Finngal) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 03:54 pm:

And I should have said I also miss the food! (pasties, Ambassador tostada, Finnish cheese, etc.)

By tom ghering (Tomgheringtcmi) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 04:28 pm:

>>> Let's face it - English is a crazy language. You lovers of the English
>>> language might enjoy this . . . There is a two-letter word that perhaps
>>> has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that is "UP."
>>> It's easy to understand UP, meaning toward the sky or at the top of
>>> the list, but when we awaken in the morning, why do we wake UP ? At a
>>> meeting, why does a topic come UP ? Why do we speak UP and why are
>>> the officers UP for election and why is it UP to the secretary to
>>> write UP a report?
>>> We call UP our friends. And we use it to brighten UP a room, polish
>>> UP the silver, we warm UP the leftovers and clean UP the kitchen.
>>> We lock UP the house and some guys fix UP the old car. At other
>>> times the little word has real special meaning. People stir UP
>>> trouble, line UP for tickets, work UP an appetite, and think UP
>>> excuses. To be dressed is one thing but to be dressed UP is special.
>>> And this UP is confusing: A drain must be opened UP because it is
>>> stopped UP . We open UP a store in the morning but we close it UP
>>> at night.
>>> We seem to be pretty mixed UP about UP ! To be knowledgeable about
>>> the proper uses of UP , look the word UP in the dictionary. In a
>>> desk-sized dictionary, it takes UP almost 1/4th of the page and can
>>> add UP to about thirty definitions. If you are UP to it, you might
>>> try building UP a list of the many ways UP is used. It will take UP
>>> a lot of your time, but if you don't give UP, you may wind UP with a
>>> hundred or more. When it threatens to rain, we say it is clouding UP
>>> When the sun comes out we say it is clearing UP.
>>> When it rains, it wets the earth and often messes things UP .
>>> When it doesn't rain for awhile, things dry UP
>>> Fess UP like this!
>>> One could go on and on, but I'll wrap it UP, for now my time is UP ,
>>> so............ Time to shut UP ..!
>>> more thing:
>>> What is the first thing you do in the morning & the last thing you do
>>> at night? U-P

By David Soumis (Davesou) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 04:43 pm:

i could start a political debate again :)

never mind

By Snowman (Snowman) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 04:51 pm:

You guys are lacking a little entertainment, eh? I do a mean Rosie O'Donnell impression. Don't like that idea? How about some huntin' stories? Or better yet, bear stories? It's huntin' season, let's hear about getting the BIG one????
Heard that bear meat is stringy but very sweet. At least I wasn't told "it tastes like chicken"!

By a m hill (Lvcamnotes) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 04:53 pm:

tom g,
very clever post. i'm up to reading more from
you and anyone.

By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 05:08 pm:

tom ghering (Tomgheringtcmi):
"English is a crazy language."

Isn't that the truth! Crazier than Finnish!
Even spelling and pronunciation is more consistent in Finnish. Of course Finnish being an agglutinative language, words can be kinda long. For example, the "longest word in Finnish" ('tho grammatically somewhat unusual) is claimed to be: "epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydellänsäkäänköhän"

Translation: "Wonder if he can also ... with his capability of not causing things to be unsystematic".

Thanks for posting the great "fun with language" note.

By kay Moore (Mskatie) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 05:23 pm:

Hey folks, what's with some of you not doing a profile of yourselves? It's kinda nice to get a little info about what part of the country you live, a little about your background, things like that. Makes it a little more personal about who we're talking to. Maybe a little about your connection to the U.P. Just makes this site a little more interesting by my book. Don't especially want to know your political persuation or your religious bent :) But that's just my opinion.

By Snowman (Snowman) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 05:42 pm:

Here's a good huntin' story! I took my wife and my mother-in-law to my U.P. deer camp and during the first night, the wife woke up to find her mother missing. She immediately woke me up and demanded that I go out looking for her. I grabbed my rifle and after loading it, we both went outside to search for her. As soon as we exited the camp, a loud ruckus was heard a short distance away. Rushing towards the noise, we discovered that a huge bear was facing off with the mother-in-law. The wife then said, "What are we going to do?" "Nothing",I replied. "The bear got himself into this mess, let him get himself out of it."

By Matt Karhu (Matt_k) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 05:55 pm:

Many of the UP's could have been left out of Tom G's posting without changing the meaning of the sentences. What's up with that? (:>)

By Snowman (Snowman) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 06:03 pm:

Matt, Tom did good, he's just trying to entertain us and thumbs UP to him!

By Marianne Y (Marianne) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 06:27 pm:

Holy cow is it ever foggy UP there now! Check out some of Mich Tech's web cams:

Talk about near zero visibility. It seems early in the day for near such low visibility, at least to me.

By maija in Commerce Township (Maija) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 09:51 pm:

Well, well. I certainly loved the up comments. But the best is 'go up north'. People down here in troll land think that means the northern lower peninsula, but of course it means UP!

By maija in Commerce Township (Maija) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 09:56 pm:

Ms Katie: I for one don't do a profile because I was spammed majorly earlier with spams saying 'maija' which is not in my email address or anywhere but on pasty. My screened mail showed me that there were all kinds of spams sent 'by maija.' WHOA--never going there again.

By Erja from Finland (Erja) on Sunday, October 7, 2007 - 09:17 am:

Suomi ei ole kaikista helpoin kieli :)

kaikki = everyone, everybody
kaikille = to all
Heikki = boy's name
Heikille = to Heikki
kk -> k

Jussi = boy's name
Jussille = to Jussi
kissa = a cat
kissalle = to a cat
ss stays ss

Milla = girl's name
Millalle = to Milla
ll stays ll


By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Sunday, October 7, 2007 - 10:58 am:

Erja from Finland (Erja):
"kk -> k"

Ahaa, I've just had a lesson in one of the more "awkward bits" of Finnish: consonant gradation, e.g. kukka ® kukan, kaikki ® kaikille.

Erja, as my grandfather might have said: "Kiitoksia vain paljon!"

Consonant gradation and vowel changes certainly make the task of learning vocabulary more difficult.

It has been said that "Finnish is a very demanding language … because Finnish is a very synthetic language. Finnish can sometimes be like mathematics and many students enjoy it as a similar challenge." [Virtual Finland: The Finnish language — Who's afraid of Finnish? by Hannele Branch, lecturer in Finnish, University of London]

(Besides my Finnish heritage, with a degree in mathematics and a career involving computer programming languages, I guess it is no surprise that I'm fascinated with Finnish!)

Some days I regret that I never had an opportunity to truly learn "real" Finnish in depth, but only learned what little I do know by exposure to the unique UP variant that we used to call "Finnglish".

By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Friday, March 7, 2008 - 03:06 pm:

I just happened to notice the following garble in my above note [By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 05:08 pm:]:


the "longest word in Finnish" ('tho grammatically somewhat unusual) is claimed to be: "epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydellänsäkäänköhän"

I don't know what happened there, it was correct when posted, but seems to have deteriorated over time. (How'd that happen?) I just retrieved this page to snag that word for use elsewhere but I had to go back to my original source instead. In any event, for the record, it should read as follows:


Translation (variously): "Wonder if he can also … with his capability of not causing things to be unsystematic", or "I wonder if even without his lack of systemizing …", or "even with their lack of ability to disorganize".

For anyone that might be interested, not my original source, but it appears at this fun site as well: Finnish Tongue Twisters (Kielivoimistelua)

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