Week Ending Oct 14

Keweenaw Issues: Anonymous Ranting: 2000: October: Week Ending Oct 14
An archive of previous comments

By Sarah Sylvia Cyntia Stout and I still won't take the garbage out on Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 04:41 pm:

Yessirreee Bob,
Or whoever it was that said, "more jobs would be a ••••••• problem to have..."
I believe it was Sandy who so eloquently pointed out that the minimum wage died here three years ago...with the more jobs and not enough people to fill the positions came higher wages because the people applying for said jobs could look elsewhere if they didn't want to work for that lower wage...
Now who was it that was complaining that the jobs Crosswinds was proposing wouldn't feed a family? Think of it this way--the more jobs the area has, the more likely it is that the number of job seekers will go down, and when that happens, as I understand it, the wages will need to adjust accordingly, or go up, as in more money for the job seeker.
Now...what would be wrong with that?

O! I just wish the dreary whining gazette would cover this angle of it!
O! I just wish dreary Mr. Kohs would cover this angle of it!


By Paul on Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 12:46 pm:

Elmer, Lead Shot, For those of you who reload lead shot,PLEASE BE CAREFUL. The lead dust created from home hobbies creates lead dust that gives children six and under exposure to the dust. Lead posion is a leading illness of our youth. BE CAREFUL!!!!!


By Elmer Fudd on Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 08:10 am:

Gweetings Eberyone,
Marvin the Martian and I visited the DEQ site and we looked at the report Mr. Reilly mentioned.
Pages 23 and 24 of the report may be of interest to those who believe happiness is a warm gun. DEQ reports on clean-up of state-owned sites. The phrase "...seven are shooting ranges..." caught Marvin's attention since his telescope aimed at earth from the moon failed to pickup these sites.
I'm curious, too, why a shooting range would require cleaning up.

Yours Truly,
Elmer


By Ignatius J Reilly on Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 05:35 am:

Jean,
Yes, I looked at the DEQ page, printed a document called "Environmental Quality Report 1999", skimmed through most of it, still haven't found the list of overflow (other?) violations.
The DMG articles from May listed 11 U.P. sites where overflows have happened. Two of the sites are in Houghton County and have had multiple discharges annually, one is in Keweenaw County and has had the same record. Another in Houghton County has had "about one discharge annually".

Maybe the list has not been posted yet on the DEQ page?


By the way, I understand that with the rut fast approaching, at least one lift tower has been allegedly "rubbed" of bark and some lucky whitetail hunter will surely bag a buck with some very sharp antler points. Or was that buck only preparing that tower for repainting?

Any idea if the lift will be ready for the November 15th opener? I understand some who don't like to walk are interested in hunting the hill via lift seat. Word has it that hunters believe the deer (always curious) are likely to congregate near the hill to see all of the good time rock and rollers.


By Janet on Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 12:29 am:

Arlene,
I forgot to mention also that Sandy is one of the
most honest and sincere people I know. She doesn't
twist the truth but tells it the way she
understands it; and one of the few people that, if
she doesn't know the answer, SAYS SO and will do
everything she can to seek out the facts and make
them known. I doubt you'll find many other people
posting messages that are that meticulous in their
answers or honest enough to say they don't know
(but will find out f


By Janet Shea on Friday, October 13, 2000 - 10:36 pm:

To Arlene and Sandy:
Inre to the "trees vs ski lifts" on Mt Bohemia, I
am the one who asked what kind of trees they were.
This was totally in jest, said to Lonnie
Gliberman, since Sandy and I had previously
commented on the obnoxious fusha green and neon
purple lift tower colors (we didn't like the
colors!) We are dealing with difficult issues,
lots of tension, lots of opinions. It never hurts
to shed a little humor on a difficult situation
which was my intention--it breaks the ice, makes
civil communication more possible on the big
issues. Sandy meant no insult to me, and I sure
didn't take it as such. I guess you had to be
there to see the humor in it, as those that were
there did. But thanks for your concern. Insults do
not have a place anywhere in this debate, let's
stick to the issues, but, now and then, with a
little humor thrown in to help us keep our
perspective and


By Sandra Britton (Sandy) on Friday, October 13, 2000 - 09:45 pm:

Arlene - Please see my apology on the other page, somehow it got posted there, not here.


By Arlene on Friday, October 13, 2000 - 05:12 pm:

Sandy,

WHO do you think you are as to take a simple statement about the deformity of tree on top the hill and change it around to make it seem that the person was not smart enough to know the difference between a tree and a ski lift. That seemed to be your major complaint as to the color the whole while there. I know that the person who made the statement does not appreciate being used in this manner and for nothing more than another complaint about the color of the ski lifts. You no longer live near the hill and you don't like the color tough, it beats white. It would seem that you have no respect for any of the people on the committee that are working for the good of the community. You are showing exactly how much of the things you write are twisted to your benefit. You should really be ashamed.

If the editorial in last nights paper makes you uncomfortable by stating the list of people not doing their jobs, maybe you should face reality.

In closing, remember Sandy you have to face the person you insulted and the rest of the committee on tuesday. An apology would be nice.

Have a nice day


By Jean Ann McGrath on Friday, October 13, 2000 - 05:14 pm:

Dear Ignatius J. Reilly try this link it may help I would search myself but am very short of time right now.

http://www.deq.state.mi.us/


By Ignatius J. Reilly on Friday, October 13, 2000 - 04:50 pm:

I realize this question may go unanswered what with the focus on the ski hill. But back in May, the 12th, as I recall, the DMG ran an article on sewer overflow violations. At that time, as the story told, the DEQ would release a list of year 2000 (?), or was it 1999(?) [The gov't seems to run exceedingly slow.] on October 1, 2000.
I've been stumbling around the super highway slightly more splay-footed toward purpose than usual, but I must not be asking the right questions, or looking at the web pages the way some of you can do.
So...has anyone seen the list of sewer overflows that we read about in the DMG back in May? S'posed to be available for previews Oct 1, 2000?


By Fly-on-the-wall on Friday, October 13, 2000 - 03:08 pm:

If you check the referendum language, you'll see it asks if a ski-hill with apurtenant structures is to be permitted in RS. This change was requested by Crosswinds, so, apparently they felt the zoning as written didn't permit a ski-hill. Go to KT, Government, Keweenaw Liberty Library as soon as its back up and check for yourself.

I suspect Crosswind's current gambit of jobs promised for KC voters in return for votes will be interesting.


By CLARIFY THE PERMITTED USES ALREADY on Friday, October 13, 2000 - 02:15 pm:

How can the residents of Keweenaw County vote on the zoning proposal when the categories have not been adequately defined?

This issue is no longer about guiding the future of the Keweenaw but simply a pro/con vote for the ski resort which in all likelihood will exist at Mt. Bohemia despite the outcome of the Nov. 7 referendum. A "no" vote will simply define that the bulk of the resort (building) development will occur at the base of the mountain and possibly lead to some lawsuits, appeals, request for construction variances, etc. A "yes" vote will allow the resort development where BEAR chooses on the mtn.

Without clarification of the zoning categories and permitted uses, the residents are not voting on the issue at hand. Is a ski hill (including what?) allowed in CD-EP or is a ski resort (including what?) allowed in CD-EP? If a ski hill is allowed in CD-EP a "no" vote simply guides the location of the 'resort' development. If a ski 'resort' is allowed in CD-EP why a request for a zoning change to begin with? if a ski hill including things such as runs and lifts not allowed in CD-EP then lawsuits are inevitable.

CLARIFY THE PERMITTED USES before the referendum or shall I say popularity contest so the residents of the Keweenaw are knowledgeable in the issue at hand (where the resort part of the development will occur).


By Havrylak Kern on Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:26 am:

These song lyrics are for Barbara Simila and her Calumet High students:

SO MANY HAVE GONE AWAY
Dreaming about the days when you were rich and young
A castle-studded country glowing in the sun
Yesterday your treasures were hidden deep inside
Today they make for speckled streets
Shining remnants of your pride

I remember old men's stories of digging in the mines
Fears of falling ceilings and fires in their minds
Struggling for a living where a living was hard to find
For those soldiers of fortune the money was so kind

But now your rails have rusted
Your shingles have all turned grey
While the winter winds were blowin'
So many have gone away

Today your shafts are empty
Your smelters lie in rust
Miners drink-in-waiting
Blinded by their trust
Dreaming of the days that were when they all had their day
Then you were a booming land
In silence now you lay


(c) 1973 Baukus/Buckett


By Fleegle, Bingo,Drooper & Snork on Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 06:20 am:

We think everyone needs to go to the laundry room, find your sock-monkey, and ask why there are 74 security patches on the Microsoft page.

Sincerely,
Fleegle, Bingo, Drooper, & Snork


By KEWEE on Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 12:06 am:

Oh, the old people are upset, are they? Not quite. Right now, they're out in the bush making wood, taking some birds for winter 'booyaw' and remembering their youthful times in our county. They are remembering (a few of them) the journey here, lost on the seas, lost sisters, lost brothers. As always, we are selfish.

Our elders are hoping for a good dear season and lots of canned vegetables from the garden. They've been out picking berries and making jam all summer. The larders are almost filled.

We should NEVER presume to speak their minds. They have a finer vision.

WE SHOULD LEAVE THEM ALONE! They are our elders. We should respect their points of view and NOT condescend and PRESUME that we younguns' know what they're thinking, although we might be 30, 40, 50 or more.

We should not pander to our own interests. We should allow people to choose for themselves and not presume a vote.

This is a democracy, after all. Not an "everything flies" insurrection.

OUR COUNTY PROSECUTOR IS A FINE WOMAN, WELL EDUCATED AND IF SHE WEARS PANTS???? Where have you been hiding for the last century? Under the last vestige of reindeer moss in the Copper Country? Under the last "keweenaw county local shroud" or are you waiting til the last wolf has died?

The moon still rises, the northern lights shine. Lovers of the county exist, in spite of your assertions that "we" all want the BIG TOURIST $$


By PAUL EAGLE RIVER on Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 07:39 pm:

MOVED FROM RESPONSIBLE OPINIONS DUE TO INFLAMATORY TONE

THE APPEAL,(CHAPTER NINE)
The whole show is almost too much to believe for the common resident. Everyday I talk to different people on the hill and the results are the same. Build the --- thing. The old people are starting to get a little upset. I am totally upset!!! So what right -wrong. I have been in and out of the meetings trying to get fall chores done and stay up on things ,
STALL the vote take the knowledge and keep it to yourselves. I have to believe that there is something more behind just stall the board vote. I think our FANCY DANCING, SIDE STEPPING, PANTS WEARING, young county atty. has lost all her marbles. I think she is playing games, with the county as stakes!!!
The appeal is costing who money in the court room? Tax payer's money thats whose, someone is paying and it is you and me. Before all this started and the grant money was the issue a main reason for not wanting Crosswinds to get the grant was that tax payers money was being used for private concerns, and liability to the county. Now this appeal and stall is money we are paying for, not to mention the legal woes we are standing to get slapped on the ass with!!! Our county atty. should be removed from her position now and stop the foolish waste.


By Sandra Britton (Sandy) on Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 12:35 pm:

Actually what happened re the jobs issue is that YSI opened, with 100+ jobs with benefits and sucked the labor pool dry. Never mind Jamaicans (a very common thing in any hospitality area as service jobs are the hardest to fill), we have the YSI World of Work program, and I think its a very good program for the kids (real world work experience) and for the employers (minimum wage workers in an area that hasn't had minimum wage workers in 3 years). The YSI students will undoubtedly have at least some jobs at the hill. Some Copper Harbor businesses have already been using them because of the labor shortage in KC.


By Trout Fishing in America on Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 02:05 am:

Mr. Pinguid:
I've sent your can of pink winkies to Alonso Hagen in hopes he can improve upon his trout fishing trip average of official catches( 0.00% as of today: 22 trips, 239 trout lost).
The bad news is, I've recommended he try your worms on Tom Martin Creek. As you well know, he's no plumber.
By the way, how was that freeze-dried "hunchback trout" I sent you? Sweet as the kisses of Esmeralda, eh?
I once read in the 1496 Boke of St. Albans that this first of all fishing treatises was written "wyth an angle". Well, as Bing Crosby generously informed Rosemary Clooney in Holiday Inn(or was it White Christmas?), "Hey, everybody's got an angle".


"One morning last week, part way through the dawn, I awoke under the apple tree, to hear a dog barking and the rapid sound of hooves coming toward me.
The millennium?"


By Rich Brautigan on Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 12:39 am:

Mr. Pinguid:
I like the potential of your subterranean diorama. When you finally go public with this magical endeavor please advise my San Francisco broker. I regret to inform you that Mr. Adams, currently on assignment in Christchurch, has gone "underground" after a nasty letter from Bob Costas' lawyer(involving some Melbourne laundry bill as near as I can figure). In the interim, I will be fielding all relevant email on his borrowed Palm Pilot.
More later...


By Peterpinguid on Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 05:45 pm:

Mr. Adams,
We're still in the exploration phase of the worm farm. Old mining sites (read underground) are being considered. We figure that what with all the opposition to building in Paradise and with the warm earth theory postulated earlier, we believe money could be saved on heating costs, plus the worms would feel more at home and would be more likely be happy little worms.
One problem is the copper mine sasquatch rumored to be running loose underground, just out of sight usually, in the shadows standing by the dripping water. So we're hoping to be able to convince the local construction companies to install the bat-bars further into the mine shafts, thus protecting our worm investment (and us of course, the Jamaicans have become timid at the mention of Minefoot, even more so after they visited a local Chinese restaurant and one of the fortune cookies said, "You will hurt your foot.
Yes, what we're looking at is a kind of Cheyenne Mountain Worm Center(CMWC). We'll be open to visitors who will be encouraged to use the supply of chipping hammers so their kids can chip loose chunks of copper if the worm displays and fish mounts become too boring.
Also planned are displays of monster speckled trout caught with the pink-winkie.
Hopes are high that flounder, red-bellied perch, channel-cats, stump-knockers, and a world-wide assortment of fishies will be caught on the Copper Country Worm.
I'm sorry it took me so long to respond.
Peter Pinguid


By Sarah Slyvia Cynthia Stout on Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 06:05 am:

Local,
So what did Ski Brule do the other years?
Or were Jamaicans not available those other years?
And why was it necessary for them to be brought in last year? Or did Ski Brule only open last year? Been thinking about it.
Joe Construction, Joe College, Joe High School, Joe Picks Berries, or Joe Just Wants to Work are only a few of the likely candidates that may want to continue living here in Paradise and more winter job possibilities are good for the area and may be what Joe is Willing to Work needs.
Think about it. It would be a helluva problem to have--too many job openings and not enough positions. When was the last time this area saw something like that?
Or is Ford or GM Chrysler about to build a plant nearby?


By Sarah Mary Williams George Elexander Peters. on Monday, October 9, 2000 - 07:54 pm:

Sam:
There are how many units in Eagle Harbor? Four? Six? How many years have they been full?

Like I said, people don't build condos around here. If they did, if there was a market, I can imagine Moyle would have built more.


By Local on Monday, October 9, 2000 - 11:10 am:

Don't believe that BEAR will be able to fill its positions with local employees at a yet to be determined wage. Ski Brule in Iron River had to bring in Jamaican Employees and lodge them to tip chairs last year. Do you think Joe Constuction guy is going to stand outside for hours in 0 degree temperatures when he could be home collecting his unemployment check? Just something to think about.


By Sam on Monday, October 9, 2000 - 07:03 am:

Sarah Mary Williams George Elexander Peters:

Not ALL areas of the UP got the foot of snow. My parents live in KC and said that they didn't get enough to plow....(my brother works for KCRC and was NOT called out). Sawyer Airport had to plow....

There are condos near Eagle River. Who owns them?

The plan crosswinds laid out is to have a sizeable development.....

What did the sewer grant application say for the gals per day of sewer discharge? I heard 5700. Now it is up to 27000. sounds awfully large for just a small development. I am not an expert on sewer design.


By Sarah Mary Williams George Elexander Peters on Monday, October 9, 2000 - 05:40 am:

The ski hill would provide another opportunity for employment. Some of the people employed in construction in our area have struggled over the winter to make ends meet. If they have qualified for unemployment benefits, they are paid benefits based on their wages for the preceding weeks. An average is found and the unemployed receives a percentage of this average. If there were many weeks where forty hours were not achieved, then the average is low, and the resulting benefit is low. I'm aware of weekly checks under $200.00. Life is hard.
Does anyone have the figures on the number of people who have left the area, who were employed in the construction industry, who simply could not make it over the winter? I was one. I left the area. Since returning, every winter is hard. There are no guarantees in the construction industry, no guarantee that you will work over the winter. I know of others who manage to find another job over the winter, whether it's driving a snowplow, shoveling roofs, or working under the table while collecting unemployment.
But the folk in the construction industry are only one type of person who would welcome another alternative to marginal life on winter unemployment.
The folk in the construction industry are the ones that I know about. And maybe that ski hill job would help a young couple stay in the Keweenaw and raise their children here. And maybe that person who finds a job at the ski hill will find a way to make the trip to the job, maybe the person meets another at the ski hill and they talk to one another, and they discover that they can commute together, that they can save money, something they are already interested in doing.
I've heard the argument that the wages paid at the hill are not enough to raise a family on. Has anyone seen a pay-stub, yet? I say the jobs that would be available at the ski hill would help those who need a winter job to make ends meet. And they live here.
You say they wouldn't travel that far? I know people who have made the trip from Hubbell to L'Anse, from L'Anse to Lake Linden, from Ontanagon to Hancock. But they will only make the trip if they have the opportunity to do so, with another alternative for them, here on the North End.

I don't buy the argument that the ski hill will open the door to a landslide of development. One of the arguments against the development at Bete Gris is that there are other lands platted by LSLC that are still on the market that haven't sold. I fail to understand how on the one hand we can argue that the ski hill will be a failure, that it is only a tax write-off, and on the other hand argue that it will bring massive development to the area.
I've heard the argument that condos will be built. If you are reading this and you live in the Keweenaw, are you living in a condo? People don't build condos in this area. Would some condos hurt? Is there a market for condos?
The ski hill isn't going to open the door to massive development. Mt. Ripley and the Porkies have been the cause of considerable development in their neighborhoods, eh?
The ski hill is harming the environment. The hill has been devastated. Yeah, right. And that septic put in when the dinosaurs were walking around belching gas is still working properly, even though it hasn't been pumped, not once, in 25 years, as we read previously, even though the neighbor had to install an elaborate system because the ground was unsuitable for septic.
There will be no snow. Lovely thought, I wish it were true. Maybe those in the construction industry would work year round, 40 a week. Mr. Reese posted an article from the Detroit Free Press. There's also another article from the same day entitled, "Snow Dumps a Foot of Snow on UP" from the same newspaper. The date on that article, like the one Mr. Reese linked to, was October 8, 2000.
Their plans have been changing. I haven't heard a strong case for this. I've heard one say cabins were never mentioned. I heard from another that they knew of cabins a year or two ago. Plans change. I know that first hand from being in the construction industry. Anyone who has built or remodeled a home knows that plans change.


By Jack London on Monday, October 9, 2000 - 05:23 am:

I'd be curious to hear Steve, AK's opinion on this one but I seem to have lost his email address(hope he's still tuned in):

October 9, 2000 It's Not Oil vs. Beauty in the Arctic By FRANK H. MURKOWSKI
WASHINGTON — Clinging to a position that would prevent America from developing some of the most promising of its domestic energy resources, Al Gore and Joseph Lieberman have repeatedly stated their opposition to oil exploration in a tiny sliver of the Arctic Coastal Plain. They say it would yield only a six-month supply of oil, and only at the cost of the destruction of a pristine wilderness. In suggesting that we must choose between Arctic oil and environmental protection, they are presenting a false choice. What is at stake here, according to the latest estimates of the United States Geological Survey, is 16 billion barrels of oil — an amount sufficient to replace all of our imports from Saudi Arabia for the next 30 years. And it can be extracted and moved to consumers in the "lower 48" states without harming the wildlife that inhabits the coastal plain at various times of the year. More than 25 years of experience at nearby Prudhoe Bay, a region that has supplied America with roughly 25 percent of its domestic oil production since the late 1970's, have shown that energy production and environmental protection can coexist. At the time Prudhoe Bay was discovered, some claimed that oil development would devastate the central Arctic caribou herd. Today that herd is more than triple the size it was then. Nesting populations of migratory birds in the area are also on the rise. It is clear that we now have the technology that can both develop the oil and protect the environment. The 19 million-acre Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is roughly the size of South Carolina. In 1980, Congress declared 8 million acres of the refuge as strictly protected wilderness and an additional 9.5 million as refuge lands off limits to energy exploration. Mindful of the fact that the remaining 1.5 million acres of coastal plain was North America's best and last hope of a giant oil discovery, Congress designated the coastal plain as a special study area that could be opened to oil and gas leasing. In the intervening years, a federal environmental impact study has shown that exploration of the coastal plain could occur during the winter, when animals are not present and no habitat would be disturbed, to determine if any recoverable oil is even present. If a large oil field were found, the oil could be developed using directional drilling technology, which requires very little use of land at the surface. It would disturb only 2,000 acres or less of the flat, treeless tundra that makes up the coastal plain. In other words, we can determine if the oil is there with no environmental impact at all, and if a very large field were found, we could develop it with minimal environmental impact. The sad fact is, at present, we aren't even allowed to look. America will remain dependent on oil for the foreseeable future, and increasingly, our dependency is on foreign oil. During the Clinton-Gore years, our oil imports have soared 17 percent while domestic production has decreased 14 percent. We now rely on foreign suppliers for 58 percent of our crude oil, and that reliance carries several risks. As we import more oil on foreign tankers, which lack the safety features required of American ships, the risk of oil spills increases. Pushing production out of America to nations without our environmental standards increases global environmental risks. Moreover, our growing dependence on foreign oil, including oil from Iraq, is inconsistent with our foreign policy objectives. And we endanger our economy as we rely increasingly on a cartel for an essential resource. Mr. Gore and Mr. Lieberman heralded the recent release of oil from our existing Strategic Petroleum Reserve as instrumental in easing prices and building inventories of heating oil. But they oppose looking for the oil field that many geologists think may be under Alaska's coastal plain — a huge field that could have a meaningful and sustained effect on consumer prices. We are flirting with danger by refusing even to see what may lie under the coastal plain. Frank H. Murkowski, a Republican senator from Alaska, is chairman of the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.


By Rich Brautigan on Monday, October 9, 2000 - 03:48 am:

Mr. Pinguid:
Did you happen to catch the recent staging of Arrogant Worms at the Calumet Theater? As you and I both know, the Upper Great Lakes worm population is a relatively recent immigrant(their local antecedents having perished during the Wisconsin Glaciation period). And this, of course, is what brings me to my current preoccupation with this squirmy subject.
How are your nightcrawler cloning experiments coming along? Is MTU still interested in the DNA patent you've proffered? Is there really an economic future in a new Annelid that nourishes sandy soil, provides brook trout bait and, shall we say, deposits a uniquely valuable psychological pharmaceutical that can be mined by those so entrepreneurially inclined?

I anxiously await your reply!
Trout Fishing in America

PS: See you at this Tuesday's Northern Lights Cuong Nhu Martial Arts Class in Negaunee(don't forget to bring your chi!)


By kewee on Sunday, October 8, 2000 - 09:36 pm:

There's much to be said about your point, orkilla. Kids who are eighteen and eligible are certainly counted as voters. I would like to see the stats from the Keweenaw Academy (and one more time, the label is a joke!).


By LMT on Sunday, October 8, 2000 - 08:31 pm:

Hey orkilla YOU CALL THE COUNTY CLERK!
Ask her about the fact that Ms.J is appealing this order, and there won't be a meeting because of it.
Seems to me she is stalling.
Running scared perhaps, that maybe all the non hill faction don't want the zba to reach the only conclusion they can!
Call em like I see em
LMT


By orkilla on Sunday, October 8, 2000 - 07:41 pm:

Oh the tangled web. The water is murky in the Keweenaw again. This time it has to do with underhandedness. Paul, do us all a favor, check with the clerk at the courthouse on how many students at Keweenaw Academy have been registered to vote for CZAR Lyle? And Mt. Bohemia? The water is murky, seems like that brown stuff on the fan has washed off into the lake. Swim silent, swim deep, swim, swim swim.


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