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Keweenaw Issues: Anonymous Ranting: 2001: August
An archive of previous comments

By Allouez Annie on Friday, August 31, 2001 - 09:50 pm:

Thank you Charles Buck for your August 29 posting.Many things in the article to ponder on and some most interesting sites to go to.


By Jean on Friday, August 31, 2001 - 07:55 pm:

Dear The Bright and Morning Star you are right, I would love to view this in person. Could we get a picture of this turned so that this would be more clear? Has the weather changed and can fall be far away. I can't wait to visit the U.P. in about a month.


By The Bright and Morning Star on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 02:32 am:

Can we now get back to a subject real men and women might have discussed over tobacco and bourbon at the Miskwabik Club?
Has anyone else noticed how that large piece of sunken float copper recently retrieved from Great Sand Bay bears a striking(perhaps mirror-image) resemblance to what modern maps call America?
I think this curious fractal anomaly bears more than a second look.
What d'ya say, gals and guys?
Is that a hunka hunka burnin love or what?
And to whom does it really belong?
Keep it Real,
Boy and Mom



By Keweenawbred on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 09:58 pm:

MOI!!

You must have been educated well to ignore the content and infer the "facts." Good Job! You must follow in some stellar footsteps.

As if a piece of wood floating in the lake is the central argument of my post. Anyone who reads thinks first...or am I wrong about this dictum?

I'm not a neo-nazi rushlimbaugh enemy. I think I have a fairly balanced way of seeing. Please re-read my whole post and give it a minute or two of thought.

I'm being quite polite and don't want to antagonize you or anyone else. I just spent an hour in the sauna and really want to communicate with someone who thinks with an objective way of seeing.

If you don't get the whole "Objectivity" picture, look up and order the book "Ways of Seeing" by Eric Berger. It might help your vision.

Sincerely yours,

Proud to be bred and born in Keweenaw County

P.S.

Are you also, Keweenaw Born and Bred? I sure hope so.


By Red Jacket on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 04:07 pm:


Quote:

"Quite frankly, it was a lot nicer before all the growth," Haas said.


The town in the article is just another example of an old recurring story: People live in a beautiful place, the rich find it and take it over, and the regular folks can't afford to live there anymore. The only way to stop this from happening in Keweenaw County is for everyone to support the people who are planning to preserve the character of the county.

Those who oppose the planners hope to sell out to rich developers and escape to Florida with the loot. Then they will chuckle over how they put one over on their neighbors.

By Charles Buck on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 03:17 pm:

... but back to the grey, middle ground of reality away from the extremists, this AP article today raises some interesting land use issues to ponder.
Mining Town Questions Development


By Old Habits on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 09:36 am:

You the poster, Moi!!!


By a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 11:12 pm:

Mr. Corman, still waiting for a reply! Cat got your tongue??????


By Uriah Heep on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 12:10 am:

Sunset at Copper Falls.jpg

By Comparisons are Odorous--Da Bard on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 11:29 pm:

Motives, schmotives…
Who ain’t smilin’?
Who ain’t feelin’ good?
It’s no extra weight on my heart to hug a tree, a kid, a beach and my bed-bound Grandma all in the same day.
Why can’t we respect and help both people and places?
Aren’t we all inseparable habitants of everything that God Named Natural?
There are environmental causes worth fighting for just as there are people causes worth fighting for.
It’s separating the wheat from the chaff that needs arguing over, which is why here in America we have town-hall meetings.
It’s not the decision of a privileged few to overlord what’s important and what isn’t.
In a healthy participatory democracy, it’s everybody’s decision to make.


By moi on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 10:00 am:

Sorry, Keweenawbred.
If you claim you want to preserve public use, then you'd better not try to regulate even bonfires!! To your type, public use is looking AT land, not using it. Our land isn't fragile! It's tough, rugged. Sure, clean up after yourself. Anyone with self-respect does that. But if you gripe that someone takes a piece of wood and dares to move it, that's pretty petty. That's why I won't give an inch to environmental movements. They have ulterior motives. They pretend they want to keep things the same. Really, they want to ban human use. Save the animals. Who cares about people. Geez, they even gripe that we use the roads too much! If they'd redirect all that bitterness, they could be useful somewhere. Volunteer to help the elderly or something. Then maybe they'd learn how to smile and feel good.


By Keweenawbred on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 09:10 pm:

If an elected official of K.County tossed a township plan into the garbage, people need to find alternative candidates for the next election. It's useless to complain because these commissioners were freely elected from a limited field. Residents like Scott Laurie should be prepared to stage another attempt in the next election. A good fight is worth the time and effort.

It's obvious that local groups are staging efforts to get people aware of the need to preserve the land. I hear more and more locals recognizing this as the public access to the big lake disappears. What we have taken for granted for several generations is disappearing before our eyes...remember the days before 5 Mile Point Road existed and the miles of "free access" to pristine sandy beaches? Which locals want to go to the beach in Eagle Harbor on a 90 degree day? We grew up valuing our privacy and unfortunately, only those who own lakeshore property anymore can enjoy it.

Check out Sand Bay sometime...filled with tourists. During the "hot tourist time" in August it has been littered with trash, broken beer bottles, plastic milk jugs, pop cans...and every visitor thinks it's essential to throw the biggest piece of wood available into the lake. As a poster suggested a while ago, I wonder where these people go to relieve themselves. They stay overnight on the beach and every group MUST have its own big bonfire...ashes and soot everywhere. And this is a protected dune area??? Thankfully, the big lake takes care of the problem for the most part in the winter.

I understand, contrary to Paul's statement, that tourist traffic has been down this year...this is just from casual statements made by business owners. And who the heck wants jet skis flying around all day and night?

Let's get it together before we lose everything and support any effort to preserve the land for public use. Otherwise we'll all just have to stay in town (Mohawk, etc.) and drive past the big water and reminisce.


By SpeedTrap on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 09:59 am:

Under the Law, the Keweenaw County Commissioners have to listen and enforce the law. It is not anything new to watch the Commissioners act like juveniles. A year or so ago, Janet Avery had a presentation on Keweenaw County "Land Use" which took a lot of effort and commitment. The audience was appreciative, but the Commissioners sneered scoffed, paid no attention and then they said the Holidays were coming and they had no time. I remember it well. Why is Keweenaw County in this shape it is in? They haven't a clue as to how the world has progressed, how people have a voice. It is still normal to be a "good ole boy" It is still normal for the people to be apathetic. Our big towns of Mohawk, Ahmeek and Allouez look after their own interests and livelihood, as you could see on the vote on Mt. Bohemia. That is exactly why each Township needs its own Zoning. We have an interest in our neighborhood and a right to voice an opinion on what we think is best for it: and, possibly educate people along the way.

Come to Copper Harbor and present your thoughts tonight at 7:00 P>M>. Your voice needs to be heard.


By Land Ho! on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 04:13 pm:

If Alexander's account is true, the "arrogance of power" may be alive and well and living in the minds of an elected few. More (and perhaps more effective) communication between township land-use planning representatives and the county commissioners would seem to be of growing importance now to shake awake those "public servants" who are abusing their elected positions for merely personal gain.
Keep the dialogue going and the pressure on. Charles is right. It takes(at the very least) the word of mouth of honest folk making an intelligent fuss just to triumph over natural inertia(not to mention the deliberate political kind), so if all or some of these land-use ideas which township people have democratically labored over in earnest will benefit the Keweenaw community at large than the fight over implementing them will be well more than worth it in the long run.


By Shoreline on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 12:56 am:

I also believe that there are a few chosen board members who for some reason can't shake their loyalty to I.P. . Its a dangerous position to be in. I also think that these members believe that L.S.L. would never do anything to harm K.C..
Why do they think this way? Because they have made alot of money logging and doing business with L.S.L.. I'm not sure if it were myself that I would'nt think the same way. I mean think of it. Here is an outfit that has kept them, their family, their employees, all employed. If your a logger , there is'nt another game in town! Their checks clear and its good as gold! Would you think anyone is going to bite the hand that feeds it. Whats good for L.S.L. is good for me! Think about it. I mean really think about it.
I really can see how these board members vision can be so narrow minded, let alone the repercussions their business would feel if they objected to anything that opposed the future of L.S.L.. If these people on the county board can't see the conflict, it shows how much they have been influenced by I.P..
But I also believe that the townships, such as Eagle Harbor and Grant are gaining strength and it is not time to roll over but continue to fight for planning for the Keweenaw.
Everybody, together, can make a differance! We Know that.


By Charles Buck on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 10:42 pm:

Alex A., You said, "Keweenaw County has been and still is a wholly-owned subsidiary of International Paper," but you did not extend the thought to say it always will be thus. If the townships prematurely abort the county land use planning process and go their own way, as you suggest, that unwritten thought may indeed be relied upon to come about. The townships should stick it thro' with the county process without prejudice for the commission's judgment precisely because it is a valuable vehicle for change at the county level. Township planning committee members, after investing long hours, should not feel the slightest futility when submitting their reports to the commission even if it appears they "shove them where the sun doesn't shine" for that white paper will illuminate a fine target for voters to place their foot on election day. Only thus will change come, has change come. Among all the great works of this world, none were accomplished by walking away from a good fight.


By Red Jacket on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 10:19 pm:

Alexander, This is going to get very interesting. We'll see whose service is in the public interest and whose service is for the benefit of private profits. If the county tries to prevent the people from controlling their own communities and townships, the townships can, and should, brush the county aside and pass their own plans and zoning laws.


By Alexander Aggasiz on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 04:16 pm:

I am curious to how others feel about the land use planning going on at the township level. For months these committed people have been meeting and doing research, listening to experts, etc. etc.. These people are serious and committed to Keweenaws future and have spent hours upon hours of there own time. Does anyone think that this is a worthwhile endeavor? Will each townships efforts be taken seriously by the County Board?

Recently the Grant Township Planning committee submitted planning documents that they have been working on to the commissioner from Eagle Harbor. The Eagle Harbor commissioner brought them to the county Board meeting to pass amongst the commmissioners for their information. Well it seems that the commmissioner from Mohawk, briefly thumbed through these documents and promptly threw them into the garbage can. The other commissioners had them in front of them on the table, only to see them on the table after the meeting. Left without so much as a forethought of the work put into these. I ask you all. What is the commmissioners problem? Maybe someone should take those documents and shove them where the sun doesnt shine. I have felt all along no matter what the townships do in planning, when it all boils down in the end, the commmissioners are not going to listen to the people anyway, too many ties to the land company for them to make any waves and develop any land use plan that is brought forth by the people. Therefore, it appears to me that if each township had any sense of reality they would go forth with their own land use plans, and do it alone. Forget the county. Keweenaw County has been and still is a Wholly owned Subsidary of International Paper. What do you think?


By curious on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 03:31 pm:

Tom Cat,
Do you really think the copper boulder is a gold mine? How so?

If it is a fact that Keweenaw County was never consulted or told....that says a lot about how much clout KC has.

Don't be a cry baby. The boulder will have a good home and I'm sure for a slight admission fee, you can come and see it anytime you like.


By Tom Cat on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 02:31 pm:

curious
Fact is Keweenaw County was never told.
Fact is Keweenaw County was never asked.
Fact Chicago has a better museum. (maybe it belongs there. If that is your reason for taking the copper boulder)
Fact,The Army corps of engineers are the experts. They do not need any help.
Fact,The Copper Boulder is a gold mine.
Fact, Keweenaw County will not see a penny.
Fact, Keweenaw County has the smallest population in Michigan. So much for Politics.

Tom Cat


By curious on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 10:57 am:

Tom Cat,

Maybe yes, maybe no. The fact that MTU already has a world class mineral museum and that MTU helped the DNR and Army Corps of Engineers to get the boulder out of the water probably has a lot to do with the politics involved in where it will be exhibited. Maybe it would have been different if Keweenaw County had approached the DNR and offered to share the expense and/or lent its expertise to bring the big chunk up out of the water.


By Tom Cat on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 09:22 am:

Curious
My point is that if the boulder was found in waters off of Detroit it would still be in Detroit. Not in Flint. Yes Paul if the copper boulder was put in Eagle River your Jam busness would go up in sales. More People, More Money.
Have a good day.
Tom Cat


By Great White Hunter on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 02:18 am:

Happy Dog Days' to U, Ol' Shep!


By Drowned Phoenican Sailor on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 03:23 pm:

Here's an Op-Ed of interest for any Upper Midwestern archeologists(professional or amateur)out there. It's author, it should be said, has a personal economic stake in the publicity generated by this long-running historical controversy. Still, the recent scholarly and scientific analyses he notes are worth considering.
All politics aside, whatever happened, happened...


New Factors Lend Weight to Runestone
by Michael Zalar

The discovery of a new runestone near Kensington, Minn., is certainly something to get excited about.

Outside of the interest generated in the so-called AVM stone, it is also sparking a necessary and renewed interest in the earlier runic stone.

Unfortunately, it also overshadows some of the more significant studies in the past year which go far to authenticate the "original" Kensington Runestone.

As reported late last year, an investigation into the physical and chemical properties of the inscription reveal that the inscribed surface must have lain in the ground for a minimum of 50 years prior to its discovery.

Preliminary results from a university follow-up seem to confirm this finding -- which would show not only that the stone's finder, Olaf Ohman (around whom almost all forgery theories center), could not have created a hoax, but that the inscription must have originated long before the first settlers arrived in the county.

In the Winter 2001 issue of Journal of the West, an article relates how the geographic feature of Hudson Bay was known to early cartographers for at least 100 years prior its credited discovery by Henry Hudson in 1611.

While there has been rampant speculation on just what the source was for this feature, some of these 16th-century mapmakers refer to a text called the "Inventio Fortunate."

Sadly, the book itself is now lost, but what we know of the book it was written by a priest who returned with eight men to Bergen, Norway, after an exploratory voyage in the waters beyond Greenland. Perhaps most importantly, the date given for the composition of the book was 1364, only two years after the date given on the Kensington Runestone. If these ancient cartographers are to be believed, it would appear that there was an expedition in Hudson Bay at the very time given on the stone.

The linguistics (words, grammar and runes) of the runestone have always been the area in which the critics of the stone have been most successful, citing various "proofs" as to why the stone must be a forgery. But in an article this spring in the prestigious journal Scandinavian Studies, Richard Nielsen addresses these issues after a 15-year study of the Kensington stone.

Nielsen writes, "It is the conclusion of the author that there is no evidence presented in the realm of runology, linguistics, dialect, or numbers that proves that the KRS is a modern artifact." He further notes that much of the information which validates the linguistics would not have been known (or in some cases was overlooked) by the early examiners of the runestone.

Such information has only become available in the 20th century, and Nielsen lists more than a dozen words on the stone that would not have been available to a forger in the 1800s.

In short, Nielsen proves that the linguistics used on the stone are far more likely to be a product of the 14th century than the 19th.

Thus in the past year alone, three different disciplines -- history, geochemistry and linguistics -- have all added substantially to the evidence that the Kensington Runestone is an artifact of the Medieval Norse. Taken separately, each would cause any objective critic to pause in his assessment that the stone was a hoax, but taken together it provides the strongest case presented in over a century for the runestone's authenticity.

Unfortunately, many scientists have previously branded the runestone as a forgery and show little inclination to review any new evidence regarding its origin. I therefore feel that it is time for the Minnesota Historical Society to take a renewed interest in the stone.

The society should, as objectively as possible, sort through the new information, comparing it with previous arguments to determine its validity, then apply such information to the case of the Kensington Runestone itself. This is not an enviable task. There would be great pressures put on by those on each side of the argument. However, the runestone is a vital part of Minnesota's history and -- if shown to be authentic -- one of the greatest archaeological finds in the history of the nation.

Finally, I think now as Minnesotans we can start to show some pride in the Kensington Runestone. We have the evidence now to stand up to the naysayers, to say "I believe ...."

Let others have their Plymouth Rock or Liberty Bell -- we have something far older and far more important unearthed on a little farm near Kensington.

Michael Zalar, West St. Paul, has published several articles and a book on the Kensington Runestone.

© Copyright 2001 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.


By PaulEagleRiver on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 02:00 am:

curious, yes the hopes in all of us were high. My hope is higher than ever. I have seen a lot more people enjoying the water way than ever. I think that is a spin off of the hill.


By curious on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 01:40 pm:

Paul,

Is that the hopes of the ski hill taking off were pumped up?

Heard they had half as many people as they predicted. They blame late start. Why didn't they adjust thier figures?

Sounds like people from outside KC wanted to stick to the locals.....


By PAUL EAGLE RIVER on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 10:20 am:

I will wonder where Lonnie is when the snow flies. As for now I thought people worked on ski hills when the snow is down. The yurts are fine. Why hold Crosswinds to a higher standard than the rest of us? If Crosswinds goes bye bye so what!!! It will just be sold to some other group who will make it work. I really wouldn't blame Lonnie for selling and not have to listen to a bunch of ball babies. This should have been a plus to this county and still could be if some people would get their heads out of their •••••.


By SpeedTrap on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 09:26 am:

Maybe the people in Lonie's employ want real money instead of "ski-passes". Won't mind saying goodbye to LonieLand, just too bad it took messing up Mt. Bohemia. Nothing seems to be happening there--no Model "Wilderness Cabins", same ugly mess. Goodbye Lonie.......


By They talk weird down south on Sunday, August 19, 2001 - 08:36 pm:

I spoke really big-like when the skihill was coming. Heck, I had to. That's what I do. How else can I deal with my own shortcomings ?
Now, I feel the weight of those big words. They's heavy !
So, I'm looking for more evidence.
And, by jove, it keeps rolling in !
Sure, it's a bit on the weak side, but, you make do, ya know ?
Hey, how come when I rant endlessly about something, it ends up saying more about me than anything else ?
Well, gotta go. Patrick's is closed. That's when I bring the plastic stuff there.


By D. Berry on Sunday, August 19, 2001 - 04:54 pm:

I think Lonnie is still with Mt. Bohemia.


By J.Franks on Saturday, August 18, 2001 - 05:22 pm:

I just saw an interesting "Help Wanted" add in the newspaper looking for a Ski Patrol individual at Mt. Bohemia. What happened to the local person with the rescue dog that we saw on tv last summer? I have also heard rumors (don't know if they are true) that the local mountain manager is also gone. The rumor continues that there are no people left from last year. Is there any truth to this?


By PAUL EAGLE RIVER on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 02:44 pm:

Once apon a time a guy called Paul Bunyon took this big piece of copper and threw it into the lake by Eagle River. Douglas Houghton saw this great feat and notified someone. That is how the copper got into the lake. I think my family owned the land that the boulder was on back then. So to make a long story short put the boulder in the town square in Eagle River. seeya


By curious on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 11:03 am:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. The boulder wasn't found within the county boundaries, was it? I don't think Keweenaw County "owns" anything in the water. Not shipwrecks, fish, nothing. Don't the waterways belong to the State of Michigan?


By Tom Cat on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 04:31 pm:

They should give the copper boulder back. It was not theirs to take. It belongs to Keweenaw County.(the people)
If this was any other county in Michigan or anywhere else in the United States this would not have happened.When you take somthing with out asking,that is called stealing.

Tom Cat


By Surfer Dude on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 10:50 am:

I think a summer throne for the exalted gnarly nugget should be erected at Great Sand Bay(flanked by armed militia in camouflage swim-wear).
Let Seaman's have it during the school year.


By PAUL EAGLE RIVER on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 10:39 am:

Looks like all in Keweenaw have something in common after all!!! Cut it into four pieces then go get some of the bigger ones in the lake. Put it back into the lake at the underwater junkyard!!! Who comes up with these ideas anyway.


By moi on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 10:14 am:

I hope something comes out of this meeting of townships regarding Houghton county gravel roads! Keweenaw county's gravel roads are kept in beautiful shape. Even the seldom used ones have a nice layer of oil on them. HC supposedly can't afford it. Maybe now we'll find out.


By lovin every minute of it on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 07:54 am:

Copper Sulfide,

Keweenaw is a peninsula, not just a county.


By D. Berry on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 12:35 am:

Hehe. J The more things change, the more they stay the same.


By Jean on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 08:44 pm:

Everything old is new again

WOW history repeats itself!
Ontonagon Boulder

In 1841, Michigan State geologist Douglas Houghton wrote an account of the boulder,
and in the summer of 1843, Julius Eldred, a prospector from Detroit purchased the rock
from the local Chippewa for the princely sum of one hundred and fifty dollars. Hearing of
the sale, the Federal Government decided to lay claim to the boulder, and sold the rock
that he had already purchased it to Eldred for thirteen hundred and sixty-five dollars.

With great difficulty, Eldred hauled the rock to the river mouth with skids and rollers,
where he was surprised to find representatives of the War Department awaiting him. With
instructions to impound the rock and ship it to Washington, they delayed long enough to
allow Eldred to hoist the rock onto the deck of a waiting schooner in the dead of night,
and set sail down the lake. Eldred dragged the rock across the Sault portage, hoisted it
onto another schooner and once again set down Lake Huron with his prize.

Arriving in Detroit, Eldred placed the Ontonagon boulder on public display, charging a cash
admission to curious onlookers. However, the government was not to be easily dissuaded,
and once again claiming eminent domain, ordered that the boulder be shipped to
Washington.

In 1847, after a court decision that Eldred had an unquitted claim on the rock, the
Government paid Eldred five thousand six hundred and forty-four dollars and ninety-eight
cents for "his time and expense in purchasing and removing the mass of native copper."
Thereafter, the boulder was placed on public display in the Smithsonian Institution


By Copper Sulfide on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 06:14 pm:

WE WANT OUR ROCK BACK!!!
Whah, whah, whah, seems funny to see the copper harborites and commissioners whining about the copper boulder. These same whine babies let the houghton crew take the name Keweenaw and splash it across the country to sell the Copper Country. Remember KEWEENAW begins in ALllouez not in Southern Houghton County. Want some cheese with your whine????


By Fast Eddy on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 01:37 pm:

I have it on eyewitness authority that Princess Di and Minnesota Fats are bait-and-switch "controversy" hustlers, out to prod and provoke with their agit-prop pool cues, drawing in any and all "marks" with a carefully staged dog-and-pony show before turning a 180 and then running the table on them.
I know when I've been had.
Just for the record though, I don't think we will(or should) ever come up with a cure for fatality.


By Lisa Carr on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 01:06 pm:

Minnesota Fats: What's your point--that cancer, wars, and fatal diseases are blessings so we should stop trying to eliminate them?


By Minnesota Fats on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 02:01 am:

If mere "longevity" were the Meaning of Life then how de-valued would be the lives of all those who've died young.
It's what we do while we're here(not how long we're here) that defines our contribution to this shared realm of being.
If anyone out there can paint this poetic mystery upon a more precise canvas I welcome their post.


By AMOM on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 12:15 am:

Princess Di,
Walk a mile in my shoes,as the saying goes.I have cancer, as a matter of fact i have two different cancers.Do not be judgemental till you have experienced life.A treatment that is new may help save MY life.And i have a young son who needs me.What gives you the right to tell me that
something is WRONG.I want to live as much as the next person does. I will try anything that is offered. It is much better than the alternative...
DEAD.


By The Savage on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 11:26 pm:

"I don't want comfort. I want God, I want poetry; I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness. I want sin."

By PRINCESS DI on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 10:31 pm:

Republicans: Cheerleaders for
the Brave New World


By Diane Alden
August 10, 2001
I like what David Limbaugh said in his recent column, that the Republicans talk a good game when they are running but something happens to them after they win. I don't know what that is and I don't care. The fact is that there is about a 6-inch difference between the two parties. One is aggressively fascist-socialist, the other is less so.

When I was 10 years old, my dad handed me a handful of brochures to pass out in a heavily DFL (Democratic-Farmer-Labor) area in Minnesota. It was for a Republican candidate's futile attempt at getting elected in a Democratic stronghold. We tried anyway. My dearly beloved mother was a Democrat up until 1972, when she said the party left her. As much as I love my mother, I was always a Republican. Mom was a legacy Democrat, but she was no dummy and knew that by '72 the party had taken a spin down the Hegel-Marx road toward a totalitarian state. That was enough for her and she became an independent.

Why would anyone defect from the "grand old party"? Perhaps because it is also the stupid party. Where do I begin? Should I begin with its lame handling of the government shutdown in '95? Or maybe it was allowing Trent Lott to cheerlead it to defeat after defeat. Or could it be for its complicity in creating an activist federal government where no department or agency or program is ever closed down? Is it because they continue to pour money into programs that don't work and in fact make things worse? Maybe it is because after promising change in '94 there has been precious little change. Blame the media, blame the Democrats, blame anyone but themselves. Rather than support grassroots Republicans and conservatives, the establishment party continues to spit in their faces.

Republican Governor Tom Ridge once said about Republicans, "Where else do they have to go?" Well, Tom, anywhere but in the same party with a bunch of oafish, lame, incompetent boobs who continually listen to the Scott Reeds and Gerald Fords of the world. Who never stop pushing the country leftward and their conservative base out.

When a dweeb leftist Clintonite like Dick Morris is patting Bush and company on the back because Bush is on a leftward march, it is time for conservatives to tell them where to go. When the New York Times reveals that "they" in the Bush White House are saying they will go to the "center" in order to capture votes of soccer moms and other miscreants, the establishment has dumped us, not vice versa.

The deal is that even when Republicans know where their problems are coming from, they don't do a darned thing about them. They have no fight, only fear about how they will be portrayed. They pass laws to please the media and the left, then they get no credit for them. They never get credit - only demonization. Well, deal with it.

From Richard Nixon and his various attempts at pleasing the left, which included the Endangered Species Act and the establishment of the EPA, to George Bush Sr. with the Americans with Disabilities Act, "read my lips" and more rotten environmental decisions, now we come to Bush Jr. The only change we are really getting is that he is not diddling interns in the Oval Office. However, he supports every program and policy anathema to conservatives. He had to have his arm twisted to avoid the pitfalls of Kyoto, and now he supports everything from amnesty for illegals to "limited" stem cell research to lack of support for conservative issues.

Neither Bush nor his father has any conception of history, that going left does not solidify your base and without the base you are not going to get the support in 2002 or 2004 that you need to win the Senate back or keep the House, let alone the presidency. There is not one single program instituted or funded by government that has been limited in any way, shape or form in any meaningful way. Tinker here and tinker there, give us welfare reform and step up cheap labor to make it more difficult for our own poor to get a living wage.

Republicans create more programs and agencies, compassionate conservatism, and institutionalize it, which in turn does nothing but grow government. The excuse I hear is that they are changing incrementally - horse hockey. Government does NOTHING but grow. I would say show me in what area that has not been the case and I will buy you coffee at McDonald's.

When Republicans know who their enemies are they do nothing about them. They don't even make an attempt at turning the tables on them. They don't lift a finger to educate people about what is happening. They expect conservative pundits and Rush Limbaugh to do it for them. Well, count me out.

After the '94 election they promised to take a look at the worst of the environmental laws. Then they quivered in their shoes as Pew Charitable Trust mounted a multimillion-dollar media campaign to portray conservatives as corporate despoilers of the environment. Actually, corporations don't suffer, but the people and small businesses in flyover surely do. The Republicans, I would suppose, would not seek to yank Pew and the other Foundations' 501(c)(3) or (4) status. Where were the taxmen the left uses consistently against conservatives? I guess the Repubs think conservatives deserve harassment, cause they do squat to stop it.

The mighty, corporate-backed foundations have pounded constitutional principles into the ground and called it education. The cowardly Republicans do nothing. Meanwhile, you have to learn from the Canadian National Post that "Republican" Colin Powell took a $1,000,000 grant from Pew, which is successfully cleansing rural America of its inhabitants via wildlands projects and the roadless initiative. Pew crossed the line, but our friends in the Stupid Party turn away. It makes me wonder what some of them have been promised.

From Waco to Ruby Ridge to Elian Gonzales to impeachment, the list of blindness and incompetence by Republicans and their leadership is endless Show me any bureaucrat who has been punished for the travesties at Waco or Ruby Ridge. You can't and they can't - they are complicit in the destruction of our freedoms and the drift toward a corporate police state.

After supporting Bush, there are battalions of us who have had enough. From immigration to the Klamath farmers, from the continued growth of government to an inability to use the bully pulpit to re-educate America about its own history and constitutional principles, enough is enough.

Linda Chavez may not be leaving the Republican Party, but she has the good grace to point out its contradictions and stupidities. Regarding racial quotas, she states in a recent column: "In addition to being morally repugnant, racial quotas and preferences are opposed by large majorities of Americans, as every public poll ever taken on the issue confirms. So why is the Bush Administration toying with defending one of the most egregious racial preferences ever adopted? A pending Supreme Court case, Adarand v. Mineta, forces the new administration to take sides in the quota wars. And indications are that the Bush Justice Department is about to come down on the wrong side - in favor of federal programs that penalize some people, while rewarding others, solely on the basis of their skin color."

Whatever happened to a color-blind America? Whatever happened to the Republican Party, which voted overwhelmingly for the 1964 Civil Rights Act? Republicans have left their principles for the sake of expediency and mistakenly believe people will love them and vote for them anyway. But they alienate their base as they become Dem Lite.

Leonard M. Scruggs is a former Republican county chairman. He is upset with Bush about immigration. Bush's stance, he concludes, speaks volumes about the death wish of the Republican Party. He says: "The liberal panacea of education has proven a vain hope. It is laughable naïveté to place our hope in changing their [immigrants'] vulnerability to pandering demagogues before generations have passed. It would be wise also to remember that much of what liberals refer to as education is not knowledge nor does it result in or encourage clear thinking. It is shallow propaganda designed to perpetuate the liberal world-view. It will not be reversed in a few election cycles.

"The mathematical calculations are simple. Legalizing and enfranchising millions of voters who will favor liberal Democrats by 60 to 75 percent will inflict enormous political, economic, and social damage on the nation that could last for generations. All hopes for lower taxes, reduced government spending and regulation, strengthened constitutional government would be out the window. But how will Republican and conservative causes be served by bringing in millions of new voters that will vote 60 percent or better for Democrats? President Bush and his advisers seem either to be short on mathematical aptitude or reasoning ability. Perhaps they are only looking at the short term. But can we afford national leaders who do not have the vision and courage to look beyond the next election cycle?"

I would add, look at California, you Republican establishment types. Once a solidly Republican state, California has been turned by immigration into El Norte offshoot of Mexico. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, the Carolinas, and many Southern states are not far behind. New immigrants are not going to vote for Republicans - the facts show that they don't. Republicans are lucky if they get 30 percent of the vote. That is not enough to offset the minority votes from African-Americans, who vote 90 percent Democratic. Spare me the education and assimilation and we-are-a-nation-of-immigrants arguments. This is not 1901, and our education system produces dumbed-down sycophants for the brave new world of the one-world crowd.

Stem Cell and Life and the Outlook for Republicans

The National Catholic Bishops statement:

"President Bush has reaffirmed his support for a ban on human cloning and other policies that deserve support in their own right. However, the trade-off he has announced is morally unacceptable: The federal government, for the first time in history, will support research that relies on the destruction of some defenseless human beings for possible benefit to others. However such a decision is hedged about with qualifications, it allows our nation''s research enterprise to cultivate a disrespect for human life."

Regarding Bush's stem cell decision, the Center for Christian Medicine spokesman said recently, "But by casting such research in a positive light, [Bush] will encourage members of Congress to advocate additional research which kills additional embryos so that even more stem cell lines can be created and even more people can be helped by such killing. The President has by agreeing to underwrite such research embraced the logic of those who advocate such research. The issue will no longer be whether such research ought to be permitted, but rather how many cell lines are enough. Having introduced the camel's nose under the tent, soon we will have the whole beast.

"When Congress takes up this issue, as it surely will, this could give comfort and encouragement to those who will seek to expand embryonic research beyond that envisioned by the President."

Well, Bush says just a little research on cells that were to be destroyed anyway. Just a little research and a little funding. According to Bush, God forbid we should fund cloning and the further horrors in genetic engineering even more destructive of a respect for life. And of course this has nothing to do with eugenics. Yeah, sure, right! I repeat - when has government EVER stopped or limited itself to the parameters set by politicians when a bill, an agency, or a program is introduced? From Ted Kennedy's participation in the Immigration Act of '65 wherein he stated it would never allow illegal millions to come in year after year, to Hubert Humphrey's promise that the Wilderness Act would never amount to more than 30 million acres in the U.S., it never ever stops with the promises they make.

But Americans have the memory of a rock and never call lawmakers to account years later when they are paying for the very nightmare Washington promised wouldn't happen.

Huxley's Brave New World and Ours

In Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World," Mustpah Mond is the controller of Western Europe and one of 10 controllers, who lecture some chosen students on the present state of Earth. He tells the one known as the Savage, the last of the freemen, that the civilized world has decided to take happiness in exchange for freedom, art and religion Mond also speaks about the outdated concept of "family." In this Brave New World, family is spoken of as something dirty and forbidden, is spoken of in an almost vulgar tone.

Soon Mond mockingly imitates a mother cuddling and breastfeeding her baby, to the horror of the students, who don't even understand the concept of a mother. He says at one point, "Christianity without tears - that's what soma is. ... Soma - it makes people content without causing the sadness and guilt of Christianity. Wheels must turn steadily, but cannot turn untended. There must be men to tend them, men as steady as the wheels upon their axles, sane men, obedient men, stable in contentment."

This is the justification for totalitarian government. The reasoning is that government, not individuals, know best.

This new utopia starts with something called the Bokanovsky Process. It is a process in which many multiples of babies are genetically generated from one original cell. There are Alphas and Betas, the higher castes, and they are kept from the "process." The lower castes, the Gammas, Deltas and Epsilons, are further multiplied and thus their intelligence is diluted. The system is one of the major instruments of social stability. There is strict population control through centralized government, and the gender of each specimen" is predetermined.

There is also a caste system. Some of the embryos are purposefully given oxygen shortages to give them mental birth defects. These specimens, the Deltas and Epsilons, will do manual labor while the Alphas and Betas have leadership positions. "In Epsilons," Mr. Foster points out, "we don't need human intelligence."

Next there is conditioning. Many of the embryos are made to like the heat by conditioning them with cold temperatures. It's evident that the people have no freedom, but must submit to the will of the World Controllers. The Director adds, "that is the secret of happiness and virtue - liking what you've got to do. All conditioning aims at that: making people like their unescapable social destiny."

Toddlers are put in the sunlight, immersed in countless books and Flowers, when suddenly bells and sirens sound and electric shocks penetrate their tiny bodies. These lower-caste members, future factory workers, are made to hate books, since this would prove to be unnecessary and wasteful to their line of work. Flowers are also shunned, since factory workers need to be content with their urban environments. Any yearning to visit the countryside would hurt productivity. Even the term 'parent' is considered backward and outdated. This is because modern science has made everyone a test-tube baby. Government is the parent.

The last free man, the Savage, tells Mond eventually, "I don't want comfort. I want God, I want poetry; I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness. I want sin."

Mr. Bush, Republicans, World Controllers, I don't want cloning, stem cell research, or cradle-to-grave security, taxation without end, no God, no family, no innocence. THAT is not your job, nor is it anywhere in the Constitution you have sworn to uphold. Neither do I want the corruption and societal destruction which the parties promote by funding those who would destroy our freedoms. Lastly, you give conservatives, Christians, sensible libertarians, reformers, constitutionalists, independents no place to go but out of both parties.

I never imagined I would enter the later years of my life and have to choose between two parties that offer no choice but the Brave New World and all the •••• waiting there.

Compromise with evil is still evil; a lesser evil wears no better face than the larger evil. As someone tried to tell me before the election, "we have to choose between the evil of two lessers." I would respond at this moment, "No, we have accepted the evil and blindly believe it is less."


By Humanist on Sunday, August 12, 2001 - 12:12 pm:

Today's New York Times has an article about the water supply in general and the Great Lakes in particular. I hope their predictions turn out to be wrong: Great Lakes might drop five feet this century.


By D. Berry on Sunday, August 12, 2001 - 03:04 am:

David, That pic fits much better. Thanks!


By David Copperfield Strikes Out on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 05:42 pm:

Hmmm...not sure if that pic will fit properly either.
Perhaps short sentences are in order.
Haven't met Paul but I did drive by the Tioga the other day.


By David Copperfield Tries Again on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 05:28 pm:

My apologies for screen distortion. Here's a 35 kb version of the sunset over Great Sand Bay as seen from Copper Falls in late May(now perhaps Charlie will delete the earlier photo)

Copper Falls.jpg

By PAUL EAGLE RIVER on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 05:05 pm:

I saw the same shot
David did. It was
more than the picture
reveals. Maybe David
is a real close to me
and I don't even know
him. Hummmm.


By D. Berry on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 04:30 pm:

Maybe David could work some magic and shrink it.


By Constance Petersen, Keweenaw Peninsula on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 02:10 pm:

J. Franks wrote on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 02:00 pm: Why is the commentary on this page spread across the screen so much that you have to scroll all the way to the right to read the entire message?

Because of the extremely wide picture posted by "David Copperfield". Annoying, eh?


By J. Franks on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 02:00 pm:

Why is the commentary on this page spread across the screen so much that you have to scroll all the way to the right to read the entire message?

The responsible page is okay.

Thank You


By moi on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 10:11 am:

Oops! It looked blank- when I scrolled waaaaaay over, I see that it does have words!


By moi on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 10:09 am:

Blanche's post says it all.


By BLANCHE on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 01:34 am:

The sun’s o’ercast with blood:
Fair day, adieu!
Which is the side that I must go withal?
I am with both:
Each army hath a hand;
And in their rage, I having hold of both,
They whirl asunder and dismember me.

By Newton Minnow on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 01:04 am:

Door Ajar:
SSSShhh NOW: "Planning" is a pc taboo word; let's call it "thinking ahead".
I'd love to see a U.P. trapped in the '50's.
It's a fervant annual wish that only grows with time.
Alas...ain't gonna happen.
Something even better actually could happen though...if...IF...
...the naturalists and engineeers could work together and design us the best U.P. of both worlds...


By Dora Jarr on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 12:29 am:

It looks like the Seattle folks didn't do a good job of planning. The result is what always happens to those who don't plan--individuals, families, and communities.


By Three Cheers for Engineeers on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 10:44 pm:

Somewhere down the time-line, I can see specific locations in the U.P.(and Keweenaw) facing what Seattle is now belatedly recognizing.
Food for thought...


August 10, 2001

Even Paradise Needs Basic Maintenance
By FRED MOODY

Seattle, long a self-styled paradise, is in serious trouble. The clearest manifestation is its traffic jams. Perennially at or near the top of various "most livable cities" lists throughout the 1980's and 1990's, Seattle placed second this spring on the national list of cities with the worst traffic, after chronic offender Los Angeles. The city's 20-year-long Silicon Rush has sent the population skyrocketing, with huge suburbs sprawling east from Lake Washington, spawned largely by Microsoft and its tech-industry descendants.

The Highway 520 bridge connecting Seattle with the massive suburban population across the lake is 38 years old, too small for current traffic, and crumbling. Its sister bridge to the south, a floating bridge on pontoons, had to sink some years ago before anyone cared enough to repair it. The city has been so intent on building cyberspace that it has failed to notice the collapse of its physical space.

This summer, the State Legislature, facing traffic so bad that entire political campaigns are now run on "the transportation mess," was forced to show it recognized the problem. (Boeing, in moving its headquarters to Chicago this year, cited the horrendous traffic as one of its discontents.) But every proposed solution runs into well-organized opposition: Conservatives oppose spending on mass transit, liberals oppose bigger freeways. And since the State Legislature is virtually evenly divided — the House has 49 Democrats and 49 Republicans, and Democrats hold a one-seat majority in the Senate — nothing much ever gets accomplished.

Gridlock on the highways has become a metaphor for political gridlock, which has multifarious causes. Most of Washington is rural, and the rural residents care little for the problems in the Seattle area. Seattleites, for their part, are oblivious to the needs and problems in rural Washington, where people remain relatively poor, the technology boom having passed them by.

But the essential problem is that no one here is willing to pay for anything. During the biggest economic boom the Northwest has ever experienced, antitax sentiment has become positively New Hampshire- esque. In 1999, voters approved Initiative 695, which repealed the longstanding motor vehicle excise tax that had provided nearly all of the state's transportation funding. Since then transportation repair and construction have ground to a halt.

The consequence of that spasm of antitax madness is that politicians in both parties now are terrified of taking responsibility for raising taxes to do anything.

Washington's governor, Gary Locke, and some lawmakers were willing to push for a tax package that would have raised $8.5 billion over 10 years for road and bridge improvements. Governor Locke even called the Legislature into special session three times this year but got nowhere — a state record for political futility. The public got wind of the tax increases involved — a 9- cents-a-gallon gasoline tax and a few other fees — and the package was killed.

It was really no surprise that state leaders declined to levy taxes that they know are necessary. But anti- tax sentiment is only part of the reason for Seattle's fall from grace. Far worse has been a form of environmentalism here that is little more than denial. Attempts to address population growth have been resisted by antigrowth forces moved more by a refusal to acknowledge growth than by a genuine sense of environmental stewardship.

Underlying this denial is a profound sense of entitlement. We've lived with the idea of free things — good water, natural splendor, abundant exploitable resources like fish and timber. Even the 1990's technology revolution that pumped billions into the local economy was in large part a something-for-nothing phenomenon. Actually paying for public goods — like a functioning highway system — now seems like a quaint idea.

In some ways, the collapse of the transportation effort last month is instructive. Ron Sims, the King County executive, says that this state "operates on government by catastrophe." But that's not entirely correct. For a long time, it was government by good fortune. What set this region apart for liveability was not that the politicians and citizens were enlightened (though some were); it was that Seattle and its suburbs were so much younger than the rest of the country.

In time, the Northwest's adolescence was bound to end, and the crumbling roads are proof positive that it has.


Fred Moody is the author, most recently, of ``The Visionary Position.''


By Charles Buck on Thursday, August 9, 2001 - 11:37 am:

In the interest of reducing the amount of speculation and rumor we are swimming around in on this forum regarding shoreline septic systems, the Michigan State University Extension office has a few helpful bulletins on-line about how homeowners can diagnose and maintain their domestic septic systems.


In the near future, the section of the Superior Environmental Health Code dealing with on-site sewage systems will be made available on-line at the Keweenaw Liberty Library to remedy an oversight by the Western UP District Health Department's web site. Hopefully the code will contain some facts which address many of the questions raise on this topic. And for those posters who cannot bear to dig up facts or face facts and would rather continue to pump ignorance into this forum, may I suggest taking advantage of this other Michigan State University Extension office service to make yourself some cash.
By Stumpy on Thursday, August 9, 2001 - 10:05 am:

Bigbrotherbilly,

I guess if you have a lot 300 feet deep, you take 100 feet away, that can leave you 200 feet from the lake ! it's easy math. If you need any more help I would be happy to help you a little more.


By Bigbrotherbilly on Wednesday, August 8, 2001 - 09:35 pm:

Scales,

So now you want to try to control who Lonnie hires and fires? And here I thought you were against the hill. I guess BlackBear must keep all employees on even though they might be no-good low lifes. As long as he hires K county residents he better not ever fire them. Geez you guys can't keep your ideals straight for nothing.


By Bigbrotherbilly on Wednesday, August 8, 2001 - 09:31 pm:

Stumpy,

I guess I have to apologize,I didn't realize that Mohawk,Ahmeek ,and Allouez were all within 100 feet of a lake.


By Tom Cat on Wednesday, August 8, 2001 - 04:25 pm:

If everyone work together like the Volunteer Firefighters did at Eagle Harbor fire monday night, the Keweenaw would be a better place. Hats off to all the Volunteer Firefighters.
Good Job! Maybe some of us could learn from there example,when it comes to some of the Keweenaw Issues. Have a good day.

Tom Cat


By stumpy on Wednesday, August 8, 2001 - 10:21 am:

Bigbrotherbilly

The lots in LLB must average 100 X 300 feet.
that's larger than most lots in mohawk,ahmeek,allouez and so on. isn't it? How did these people get by with there sytem's for the last 100 years? Let the people of LLB decide what they want to do!


By scales on Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 11:15 pm:

Wow , BIGBROTHERBILLY, I would like to find 1 resident of LLB, that would ever get on their knees, and ask for help from Lonnie! EVER! Just 1!Geez do you think we people can't fend for ourselves without Lonnie.
Man do you have your blinders on.
... he's just fired his 2 kayak guides, and I also have heard rumors of sale of the hill to a firm in colorado. So to all you Lonnie believers
"whos your daddy now".
You don't believe facts of the sewer system, you only believe that every one in LLb should just bend over and take it, and think this is for their best interest, after all this chat you still confuse fact with opinions, yours mostly!
Thanks to all those who were able to think and see rationally about this. It seems to me Black Bear has its decisions to make and the people of LLB have theirs, why do you people keep adding more to the pot that isn't there! GET OVER IT AND FACE THE FACTS! I can't believe how much discusion is given to old news and FACT. IF rcorman wants to believe that Lonnie was going to save LLB sewage "disaster" ha , Let him or her, think that, that person does'nt want to see the facts! Will never see them!


By Bigbrotherbilly on Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 10:26 pm:

Stumpy,

Since when has "Pretty Good Size " been a requirement to build a septic system? Many systems need 600 to 1000 sq. feet of loamy sand,
and 100 ft from the lake. If you think that's a false statement call the health dept. In case you have forgotten (sewage) does not flow uphill. A pump station and force main will be needed for the whole town of LLB to comply, along with a lagoon system. If you people would stop whining and try to work with Mt Bohemia you might be able to work out a plan that works for everyone and not cost a bundle for either party involved. And yes for your information I have been to LLB several times in the last month.


By Stumpy on Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 12:16 pm:

Bigbrotherbilly

Now that was another false statement! The lots down LLB are pretty good size. are you from around this area? have you been to LLB?


By Red Jacket on Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 10:18 am:

So Calumet Township doesn't think that Stuart Kauppila should have his freedom of speech! The last time I looked, this was still America. Good thing the ACLU is always there for us when the government gets too pushy.


By james studebaker (Ahmeekguy) on Monday, August 6, 2001 - 10:58 pm:

Hey folks, has anyone pondered the idea that the reason there is so much pressure to put in a sewage system above LLB is that Lonnie just might need it to develope future building sites.
Through all of the pre-Black Bear meetings it was apparent that the main business that Lonnie and his corp. is involved with is contruction of housing developements. Now how in the world could someone develope a site without the proper infrastructure in place.....hmmm, something to think about.
And who owns all of the property where those new roads were cut and land staked across from the ski hill. It sure seems like theres more to this than meets the eye. If these new roads are there to connect lots for building then whos interest would be met by a sewer system near the hill?
Oh by the way Paul E.R., your statement about liability for the system, if it was shut down I'm sure the tax payers would have to pay to have the site overseen. I don't know of any type of waste treatment facility today that can go unattended because the system no longer operates. If you do could you inform the rest of us to the fact.


By Alexander Aggasiz on Monday, August 6, 2001 - 09:44 pm:

Yo Speedtrap:
The only beggin LLB residents will do with Lonnie is to remove those ugly ski lift towers, and the yurts when the hill goes belly up. Cheery oh!


By Bigbrotherbilly on Monday, August 6, 2001 - 09:38 pm:

Speed trap,

FACT: ... most camps in LLB do not have enough square footage of property to install a legal septic system!! I forsee many LLB residents on their knees begging Lonnie to let them to hook up to his system. R Corman keep up the good work.


By UP WITH PEOPLE on Monday, August 6, 2001 - 04:25 pm:

AUG 06, 2001
An Unrepentant Nader Unveils a New Grass-Roots Project
By SAM HOWE VERHOVEK
PORTLAND, Ore., Aug. 5 — "We've got to raise our expectation level, folks!" Ralph Nader shouted to a thunderous ovation here on Saturday night at what he billed as the first major rally to kick off a new "grass-roots movement" that he calls Democracy Rising. "We've got to raise our expectations!
"Our elections are not for sale!" said Mr. Nader, applause from the crowd of 7,500 people nearly drowning him out. "Our democracy is not for sale! Our government is not for sale! Our children are not for sale! Our environment, not for sale!"
Plenty of people may still be furious with Mr. Nader, believing that his Green Party presidential candidacy did little more than tip the 2000 election to George W. Bush. At least two dozen of them showed up outside Portland's professional basketball arena, the Rose Garden, to protest Mr. Nader's speech.
They carried satirical placards, all depicting Mr. Nader, the 67-year-old consumer advocate, as a pawn and a dupe: "Right-wing freaks coalition for Nader." "Back-alley abortionists for Nader." "Defense contractors for Nader." "Citizens against tundra." "Unelectable at any speed." They handed out leaflets pleading with people going inside to persuade Mr. Nader not to run for president again, but instead to use his influence to move the Democratic Party to the left.
But in the 20,000-seat arena, which was curtained off, giving the illusion of being packed, it was hard to find anyone with a negative word for Mr. Nader or his candidacy. Nearly all in attendance had paid $10 to hear him speak, and others contributed even more in the "democracyrising.org" cardboard boxes that were passed among the crowd.
Though Mr. Nader made virtually no mention of presidential campaigns past or future in his 57-minute speech and declared that the rally was "not a political or Green Party event," he remained unrepentant at a news conference just before about any corollary effects of his candidacy last year. He reiterated that his sole regret was that he had not received more votes. (He got about 3 percent nationwide, ranging from 10 percent in Alaska down to zero in the five states where he was kept off the ballot.)
Mr. Nader brushed aside a question about all those self-identified progressives who believe his campaign helped nudge Mr. Bush into the White House. These included protesters outside the arena like Marty Smith, 34, a Web site developer who said progressives should strive to be "that `nutso,' must-placate faction of the Democratic Party in the same way the religious right is something the Republicans have to deal with," and those who took note of the Nader trip to Portland with a letter to the editor in The Oregonian, the state's biggest newspapers, urging him to "be an organizer and evangelizer, not a candidate."
Mr. Nader snapped: "They're getting over it — I mean, it takes a few months. I was under the impression that Al Gore won the election. I thought that's what they believe." He depicted his candidacy as having ultimately helped tip the Senate to Democratic control because, he said, Green Party voters were clearly a factor in the razor-thin victory of Maria Cantwell, the Democratic candidate in Washington state.
In any event, he added: "All this talk really comes down to one issue. They don't think the Democrats should be challenged by any party of the progressive wing. They haven't been challenged since 1948, with the Henry Wallace progressive party. They've gotten used to not being challenged. They've gotten used to telling progressives they have no place to go."
For a man who disdains professional politicians, Mr. Nader has gotten one trick of the trade down pat, the standard assertion that he is "not even thinking" about whether to run next time.
"I don't believe in long campaigns," he said, "it's far too early."
And in his depiction, he never really wanted to run in the first place but saw no other choice. "I'm a civic advocate; I have been for 40 years," he said. "When the doors are closed on citizen groups in Washington, you've got to go into the political arena, but that's just a means to a broader strengthening of the citizenry. I read my Jefferson early."
Mr. Nader said he was hoping that the Portland rally would be the first of several in big cities that were ultimately designed to spark a "million-hundred-hundred" movement of the citizenry: one million people devoting at least 100 hours a year and $100 to a variety of causes like economic and environmental justice, universal health care, campaign finance revisions, union organizing, solar energy and better public transportation.
He received prolonged applause during an attack on genetic engineering. "The new slavery," he said, "is the ownership and control of the genetic inheritance of the world — the flora, the fauna and the human genes."
The "Nader Rocks the Rose Garden" Portland rally included speeches and singing by a variety of Green Party figures and professional entertainers like Danny Glover, Jello Biafra and Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam. Mr. Nader declared it all a big success.
"You just have to ask yourself, is anyone else doing this, is anybody else bringing out thousands of people?" he said. "That's really the comparative measure. There's a lot of empty arenas in this country, built by taxpayer money, I might add, and they need to be filled."


By SpeedTrap on Monday, August 6, 2001 - 09:44 am:

Mr. Corman... what meetings have you been attending? Fact: Water testing has already begun in LacLaBelle and the Bay. and the majority of residents will do what they have to do to comply. They will have no choice. Why do you say the samples will be dirty? Anymore than I can say they will be clean. If you know Mr. Glieberman you would know he only sits down to put his own agenda on the table. He listens to no one. Why is he in the mess he is in--because he listens to no one. He thinks we are all a bunch of ignorant country bumpkins (?). If LacLaBelle should need a septic system, they will apply for it themselves, not for LonieLand, a private enterprize. The Grant was only for LonieLand...why would he care about LacLaBelle residents. Your facts are not correct, so I am just correcting them. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but do stand corrected.


By a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing on Sunday, August 5, 2001 - 06:36 pm:

Mr. Corman, let me get this straight. You are telling me and everyone else reading this site that the sewer grant that Blackbear wanted the township to apply for was going to be for the ski hill and all of LLB to connect to? I just want to make sure I and everyone else understand exactly what you are saying. And no, it was not stated at any of the meetings that I attended who, how it would be decided, or the number of people that would be able to connect to the system. It was just stated at one of the meetings that a few might be able to connect. So, please tell us all, exactly who was this system going to be for?


By Mr. Corman on Sunday, August 5, 2001 - 02:38 pm:

I have attended several meetings, I have talked with several officials from the ski hill, the county, the township etc.

Maybe the problems lies in peoples short sightedness and ignorance.

Question then since you are all knowing
Who were the few that were going to be allowed to hook onto the system? How were these few going to be picked? A draft?

Fact - The DEQ is going to begin water testing LLB in the next year or two. (I talked with someone from the DEQ.)

I believe that the samples will come up dirty and LLB will have to go to a system. (this is based on eye witness accounts, experiences and previous reports from the LLB area)

If the ski hill puts in their own system, than LLB will have to put one in for themselves. Imagine the beauty of TWO sewer systems within a five mile radius. That's gods country.

Now imagine all of the LLB residents trying to flip the bill for a new system. I promise you that some LLB residents will have to leave or pay several hundred a month! Lonnie could put in some pay toilets for the LLB residents and pay for his own system.

If someone had some brains and/or guts, they would sit down with Lonnie and say, "We need a system and you need a system. Let's work together to put in a system that we can both use and pay for."

BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Instead LLB will have the distinction of have more sewer systems per capita than anywhere in the world.

LLB will have one sewer system for every 20 or so year round residents.


By native one on Saturday, August 4, 2001 - 07:15 pm:

Paul - The bottom line is your business is no further from Lake Superior than any of those camps in Montgomerey point. Secondly (sewage) flows downhill, eagle river is built on a hillside? Water system is one thing, sewer system another. Lets not confuse the issue here. I do not agree with you on it being a county issue, your for the hill and I realize that, so be it. But Grant Township taxpayers as taxpayers should have a say in what goes on in there township. As was stated previously if it was up to a county vote, the NIMBY's from Allouez and Houghton Township may have carried the vote for a sewer. The same NIMBY's who passed on real jobs with the prison outside of fulton.


By a little knowledge is a dangerous thing on Saturday, August 4, 2001 - 06:01 pm:

rcorman - It is obvious that you do not read the papers, in print or on-line, listen to the news, or attended any of the meetings regarding the sewer system in LLB for the ski hill. THE SEWER SYSTEM WAS FOR THE SKI HILL. Not for the residences of LLB. It was stated that maybe a few could (and that was maybe) connect to the system. It was by no means for all of LLB and was never intended to be. It was, and always was, for the ski hill only. So, please get your facts straight before talking about something you obviously know nothing about. Do a little research before stating mistruths as fact. Or better yet, call one or more of the township officials and get the real facts. I'm sure one of them wouldn't mind enlightening you.


By Paul on Saturday, August 4, 2001 - 03:55 pm:

Native, if you go back to the early ninties you will find a grant application for water in Houghton township. We could not get money cause we had only 28 people in town. Not enough (sewage) flowing I guess. Our septic was not a issue because we are not on the lake, we are inland with few septics. This town is way smaller than Lac La Belle. YOU A LITTLE AFRAID OF WATER SAMPLES OR WHAT????? Get real this is our county not just Lac La Belle. The only thing closer than 100 yards is the motel. Give me something that is real hard to answer???????


By native one on Saturday, August 4, 2001 - 03:35 pm:

Well well, about time we get back to K issues. Why doesn't Houghton Township apply for a sewer grant. That way the Courthouse would stop leaking sewage into Garden city creek. Paul why not take care of your own backyard and not worry about the people in Lac La belle. Lonnie will succeed or fail in due time and none of us know the outcome yet. I do know that this whole ski hill has really gotten alot of peoples attention. What sickens me is the people from Houghton County and surrounding lands trying to save us from ourselves. I have lived here my whole life and choose to remain through the seventies and eighties when things were much tougher than today with employment. I say Keweenaw has a future, let the people of Keweenaw decide it. I do not own anything in Grant Township, therefore I did not attend any of the board meetings for the sewer. I own nothing there, get it, so why should I tell them what is right for them. Let the people decide. Again what about a sewer system for houghton township ? You all in eagle river must have ancient septics. Will the DEQ come down with a heavy hammer on your heads? Hmm, people in glass houses should not throw rocks.


By PAUL EAGLE RIVER on Saturday, August 4, 2001 - 02:49 pm:

Speedy, There is no liability with no (sewage) flowing if the hill were to fail. Shut the doors and go. Why is everyone afraid to say they don't want Crosswinds to get any help in hopes that that will make them quit. You people are hurting yourself in the respect that your water quality in the lake could be improved. The DEQ will override all this that you people put up as a smoke screen. As a matter of fact you should smoke a little to get your mind back on track. Maybe take a pill or have a brew. Take a smart pill!!! Seeya


By rcorman on Saturday, August 4, 2001 - 11:43 am:

Hey Speedtrap,

The grant was to put in a system for LLB, do you think that the grant would put in a system that the township would be responsible for but NOT be able to connect to?

That makes NO sense. NONE!

It's obvious that LLB prefers to let their sewer drain into LLB than pump it anywhere. Just wait until the DEQ begins water testing LLB.


By SpeedTrap on Saturday, August 4, 2001 - 09:24 am:

Hey, Paul... the Ski-Hill Septic System was for LonieLand and not for the residents. Why would LacLaBelle Residents want to pump their sewage up a hill a mile, dump it into the Montreal, when they could put it at a more strategic, eco-friendly place. It costs money to pump up a hill, using Lonies" 4 leased generators because he couldn't affort electric power on his hill. What a two-bit operation. No paved parking lot, now he wants the yurts to be made permanent in order to get his Septic System approval. What an eyesore! Lonie should have tried another football team, to make money. But, I don't think it's the money with Lonie (all investors), it's a poor little rich boy having fun.

Good for Sherman Township! How can you compare a Grant to help the people to a Grant to help a poor little rich boy. Come on.


By PAUL EAGLE RIVER on Saturday, August 4, 2001 - 08:56 am:

Heres some news. Sherman township gets a grant for sewer system!!!!. The town that borders Lac La Belle is getting a updated sewer system.Now lets think about this. Here we have a town with less than half the people as Lac La Belle getting a sewer system cause they have to. Does anyone think that just maybe Gary and the rest of the residents of Lac La Belle should be thinking the same way. Says it took a long time to get!! HUMMMMMM.


By Tom Cat on Thursday, August 2, 2001 - 01:45 pm:

There is a real positive artical in Snowboarder magazine. About Mt.Bohemia.


By rcorman on Wednesday, August 1, 2001 - 02:33 pm:

If always crazy is still confused, I can think of other costs for the hill-
- transportation - plane and car
- initial research
- outdoor shows
- operators and phone surveys
- sewer disposal and restroom rental
- security
- warehouse and maintenance facility
etc


By rcorman on Wednesday, August 1, 2001 - 02:25 pm:

always crazy,
Does your computer have a calculator? Go down the list that I provided you and make some phone calls and then come back.

A large part of advertising is time. Most people plan their vacations a season or two ahead. If-
a. It wasn't known if the hill would pass the referendum(which is a whole other issue that I will leave alone) what can you do?
b. Once the referendum passed, Nov 7 I believe, the project had 7 weeks to develop and open by the Holidays. I don't know what the exact date they opened was but I'm sure there was a lot of over time.

I tell you what, if you think you can put in a facility like Mt. bohemia for less than a few million I'll invest.

As far as the sewage permits are concerned, It appears to me that they a looking into options but the DEQ has said that they are working with them. I wouldn't worry about that.

The truth is 10,000 here and 10,000 there DOES add up to millions. Quickly!

Another truth, you don't really want a business to show profit right away. Talk to the IRS about that!

I promise you, my BS is not as cheap as yours.

Another side note, The potential beauty of the Bohemia project is hidding the investmant and keeping the llb asthetic. But if you want cabins lining the road, warehouses in plane view to see the "investment", just keep doing what your doing. aka - fighting the zoning and fighting a sewer system for LLB, etc. When it comes, know who to blame, I do


By moi on Wednesday, August 1, 2001 - 10:52 am:

The hill is here. Get over it. I hope it's a huge success in years to come. As for the Endangered Species Act, it needs TONS of work. When animals come before humans, we're sick people to tolerate it. Enough accepting everything that the environmentalists want. It's ridiculous to prevent people from using certain areas, using resources, etc., all in the name of nature! We all enjoy nature, but let's not be so crazy as to put it on a pedestal way above human life!!


By There's no need to fear, Mighty Mouse is here! on Wednesday, August 1, 2001 - 06:16 am:

On the Protection Theme:
A July 10th forest fire in the northwest trapped several firefighters, killing Tom Craven, 30, Devin Weaver, 21, Jessica Johnson, 19, and Karen FitzPatrick, 18.


The four were killed by smoke and fire after their calls for water drops were debated by "officials". Their calls for water began almost 12 hours before their deaths.

Their calls for water were initially denied because of the Endangered Species Act. "Officials" didn't want helicopters to dip water from a stream that contained protected fish.

Question is: If they could dip water out from "x" and place it at "y" (where the fire fighters were) why couldn't they dip the fire fighters out?

The Endangered Species Act needs some work.


By always crazy on Wednesday, August 1, 2001 - 01:03 am:

but more importantly, Black bear holds the lease on that land. They are on their own!!! They have a huge investment in that hill already. I will not argue that. From the looks of things, their investment has just started. But then, any business man knows, in a venture this large, don't expect a profit for at least 5 years.
But still, as a business man, does'nt it seem strange that one would start this venture, without the infrastucture ready with proper permits and funds ready to continue.
I mean think about it , you've spent "millions" (your words) and you don't even have a permit for sewage disposal.
Talk about getting the cart in front of the horse,


By always crazy on Wednesday, August 1, 2001 - 12:19 am:

r.Corman , arn't you the one that said they did'nt have time to promote or advertise.
and I still say that millions is alot of money.
$10,000, here $10,000 there, does't add up to millions. Say what you want, you can, its open and free!! but your b.s. is just as cheap as mine


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