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Keweenaw Issues: Anonymous Ranting: 2001: July
An archive of previous comments

By rcorman on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 11:09 pm:

Always Crazy,

Millions? It's obvious that you know little about business but think about this -
- Advertising - There has been several commercials that costs lots to produce and air. Plus mailers and print adds. Plus billboard signs etc.
- Design - The runs were planned out and designed. Hire someone to design you a porch and times that by 1000
- The runs were blasted and shaped.
- Lifts - They may be used lifts but they are not cheap and then include transportation, modification installation, inspection and maintenance costs. Plus, specialist are required to install equipment like that, it's like going to the Ford dealership rather than Joe's Garage.
- Yurts - I'm sure they are not giving those away. Plus they have power and heating costs.
- buses, groomer, and snowmobiles
- Pay roll - When specialist are hired to do anything you can add a zero.
- Laywer fees, for the initial deal plus the battles with the anti-hill people
- electricity - generators are not cheap.
- computers and general office supplies.
- the cost of the land lease
- insurance- that is always a killer
Wake up!!!!


By always crazy on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 10:47 pm:

to Roger Corman: Millions invested in that ski hill??????????????????????????????????????
You seem to know! tell me where????
I dont see it!!


By Bigbrotherbilly on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 08:47 pm:

Paul,


I hate to see a good man waste his breath on jack---es! These Yooper wannabe paranoid treehugger types just can't see the forest for the trees.


By Roger Corman on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 11:28 am:

Focus,

Your details are a little off.
1. I agree that the numbers are a little lower but lets remember that the hill wasn't able to promote and/or even knew it would be allowed to move forward until early Nov. I promise that the numbers will be and/or would of been higher.
2. Most of the work done on the hill has been excavating so far and I know that some keweenaw residents worked with that. How many Keweenaw based excavating companies are there?
3. How many employees do they have? A couple ticket takers, ski patrol, a couple maintenance guys, SO WHAT. Wait until the facility becomes more of a resort. Personally, I like the idea that a business in Keweenaw might be strong enough to attract people from out of the area. PLUS, having a Keweenaw vs Houghton county ideas is STUPID and ignorant. The whole area needs help and should work together.
4. Don't confuse liability with responsibility. If LLB never needs a system, than they will be fine but if LLB does need a system or if someone, local or not, wants to build a business there...
JUST WAIT AND SEE!!!!!!
5. What legal issues has Lonnie brought up? The anti-hill people have brought up just as many $$$ issues as anyone else.
6. INVESTMENT, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! There has been millions invested in that hill. I don't think there has been a private company that has invested more in Keweenaw in the last 30 yrs. Just because the land is leased means nothing. The academy is on leased land, how many camps in Keweenaw are on leased land? Non issue
7. It is valid to investigate a company but each instance has its own story and they don't always tranfer. Trying to link the Canadian Football League and a ski hill in LLB is a stretch

Try to keep focused!


By PAUL EAGLE RIVER on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 10:14 am:

Focus, you are passing wind!!!!! It stinks, you people are so afraid of the sky falling that you don't see the green stuff in the lake . Why does it matter that one stinking million is spent on a system to clean up the waste. Our goverment spends our tax dollars on a lot of •••• that don't make any sense period.. Think of the rest of Keweenaw for once. We need to improve our tax base not spend our tax dollars as our County Atty.does. Clean up your backyard and mine too. Lake Superior is ours not yours!!!!!


By Focus on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 09:49 am:

Paul....You're still blowing in the wind! (1)Where are the 40/M people on the hill the first year--actual maybe ll/M, 50% had free passes. (2) How many Keweenaw Contractors were used on the hill? Zero!!(3)How many Keweenaw County people worked for Black Bear? 4, I hear. (4) Why should Grant Township be liable for a sewer system when Black Bear goes away in two years? (5)Grant Township does not have the money to throw away on legal issues that Lonie Glieberman would confront them on every issue. Let the DNR & DEQ take responsibility for the septic system, what are we paying them for? (6)Black Bear finally has to make an investment-Big Deal-. When it was free he wanted the sewer 3 times the size he is putting in today. Why? (7)Go to the Web and look up the Gliebermans in their investment in Canada, Shreveport, etc. and see who lost.

See, Paul, it is all in the details which you know nothing about. Give the people credit when credit is due.


By PAUL EAGLE RIVER on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 09:49 am:

Crazy, Just talk about a name to fit a attitude. You must have moved to this area about five years ago. Maybe your grandfather worked the mines and when they closed your family moved away. Now your back with a pocket full of cabbage$$$$$$. I don't buy it period. This is not about making a company pay its way, but about the people who don't want the hill. The current population of Grant township has been slanted by new voters who are claiming new residence and don't stay here. Wheres Gary and his mauraders when the snow flies??? Not in Lac La Belle!!!! I hope Crosswinds takes their time to slam dunk the people who are the master minds of this selfish crusade to KILL THE SMALL BUSINESSES OF KEWEENAW!!!! I wonder if the new owners of the Landing want a new sewer system !!! Do you think that they want the ski hill to fold or go away? I wonder if those kids of theirs want to ski the hill??? One more thing, how the •••• can the small business owners be heard without cutting their own throats around here. I know our business has taken a bump because of what I believe and say. If I had to do it again I would do the same thing SKI ON!!!!!!!!!


By Byrd Man of Alka Seltzer on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 01:55 am:

I Wasn’t Born to Follow

"I’d rather go and journey where the diamond crescent flowing
And run across the valley beneath the sacred mountain
And wander thorugh the forests
Where the trees have leaves of prisms
And break the light in colors that no one knows the name of"



By Thanks Prez! on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 01:38 am:

"I'm not a loner
I'm just choosy"

By Katie, Row Your Boat Ashore, On Da Shore-Line! on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 10:43 pm:

the nice thing about private systems, when the septic needs pumping (the only time it gets that attention), nobody hears about it, makes a fuss, and though the system is as old as the hills, the system stays.

Maybe if the hill has to install their own system, the rest of "the systems" in da area will be attended to, with, or without, the owner's input.

But when care is called for, the yellow pages has a full column and a half of businesses that attend to septic. So we'll be safe, and protected.

And how about a big hat's off to Keweenaw Today for their coverage of the happenings in Baraga County!

There IS a Copper Country!
Yabba dabba, doo-doo.


By always crazy on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 10:05 pm:

well Paul, your colors are shining now!
For all who think that the grant was just free money that should have been sought after, your only looking at it from the surface. Grant township would have ultamately and finacially responsible for the system, if it failed or seeped into the montreal, or anything else that could go wrong, grant township would have been liable.
Why take that risk, was the way the people of Grant answered. What did the people of Grant have to gain by it. Absoloutly nothing!!
To bad too, cause now it looks like we'll be looking at that dirt and those yurtzz for a long time now.
You see Paul, it was'nt just free money, it was also liability. Thank goodness some people could see that! Good thing some people can see through money, Paul your not one of them!


By Forrest Sawyer on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 02:36 pm:

Paul and atroll are right. We need to take advantage of any money that will benefit us right here, right now, no matter where it comes from. Let the future take care of itself. The most important thing to do right now is to take care of us, the producers in our county. Thank God our president knows who to take care of. Most people don't.


By PAUL EAGLE RIVER on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 11:29 am:

Troll, its good to see that a few people see it my way. The hicks up here are for the birds. They would rather run a drunk over than hit a dog. Their mind set is rather selfish, no brains and no nothing. I am so sick of all the tree huggers, they seem to want to cut us all away from the real world. I can only hope that the higher ups in goverment will take some time to look at the self interest groups and see what they are really about. When you start giving up grant money to save the tax payers money you have screws loose. It ends up in other less needy places. The people against the ski hill have been using tactics like this for years. Keep the rich rich, the rest of us can go fish I guess. Keep up the good common sense posting Troll.


By atroll on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 09:56 am:

I think there are two issues at work here. One is whether the local community wanted/wants the Mr. Bomemia ski hill. It still sounds like most of the posts on this site are against it all together. That issue is over as the hill is here.

The issue over a wastewater system for the hill, is another matter. That is a matter of economics and the environment. I agree with the poster who said that the grant money is not welfare, but is instead public money to be used for specific uses found to be of issue right now. Whether it is a need for more low rent housing or to eliminate uneeded contamination to the environment.

Not allowing Mt. Bohemia to have the grant will not make them pay for it themselves, it just means you will have a poor treatment system in place near your backyard. It seems like as a community you would allow him to protect the environment better if possible, even if the side effect is to help him financially. There are probably other better ways to stop unwanted develpment in your area, than by compromising the environment.


By Troublesome Times are Here on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 06:36 am:

The Gazette had an article(s) in the recent past high-lighting grant money that had been used, or would be used, in various parts of the Copper Country.

Unless I'm mistaken, one grant helped out a business in the Chassell area, a business that provided "X" amount of jobs to the people.

Another grant had the hope of providing "X" amount of jobs to the people in another county of the Copper Country.

I can understand why some people would be opposed to the grant money for Bohemia, as I understood the process. I wish more people would become concerned about their tax dollars, both federal and state, and the ultimate destination of their money. What did Congress do last week, for example?

Other grant (taxpayer's) money has been, is being, and will be used in the Copper Country.
Wealthy landlords can apply for funds to remodel the dwellings in which they have invested. Many of these people have received thousands of dollars to remodel their rentals. Some of them have received money many times over. When I say thousands, I mean as much as $30,000 at a crack. And if you check into it, these remodelled apartments must be made available to the low income folk, you know, those whose rental fees are helped along by your tax dollars.
At least the landlords get their rent.


The above scenario is certainly like the scenario with the grant for the sewer for Bohemia.


By Troublesome Times are Here on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 06:34 am:

The Gazette had an article(s) in the recent past high-lighting grant money that had been used, or would be used, in various parts of the Copper Country.

Unless I'm mistaken, one grant helped out a business in the Chassell area, a business that provided "X" amount of jobs to the people.

Another grant had the hope of providing "X" amount of jobs to the people in another county of the Copper Country.

I can understand why some people would be opposed to the grant money for Bohemia, as I understood the process. I wish more people would become concerned about their tax dollars, both federal and state, and the ultimate destination of their money. What did Congress do last week, for example?

Other grant (taxpayer's) money has been, is being, and will be used in the Copper Country.
Wealthy landlords can apply for funds to remodel the dwellings in which they have invested. Many of these people have received thousands of dollars to remodel their rentals. Some of them have received money many times over. When I say thousands, I mean as much as $30,000 at a crack. And if you check into it, these remodelled apartments must be made available to the low income folk, you know, those whose rental fees are helped aalong by your tax dollars.
At least the landlords get their rent.


The above scenario is certainly like the scenario with the grant for the sewer for Bohemia.


By Red Jacket on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 04:00 am:

Don't confuse Bigbrotherbilly with the facts. He don't like facts. Ain't that right, Bigbrotherbilly?


By always crazy on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 02:24 am:

Big Brother Billy , maybe you should get a grip!!
The D.E.Q. said that the lagoon and sprayer system could only handle the ski hill and cabins at Mt. Bohemia resort!! and it could not be expanded due to its close proximity to feeders to the Montreal.
Geez Big Brother, Its a fact!!!! And its old news!! Maybe you should stay on the porch. Or get a new paper. But it is a fact. Ask anyone who went to the meetings, seeing how you did'nt.
So tell me what advantage it is to LLB residents now , or for tha fact the township!!


By Bigbrotherbilly on Sunday, July 29, 2001 - 09:49 pm:

Jack Pine,

Get a grip already! Where do you get your information from THE ENQUIRER?


By D. Berry on Sunday, July 29, 2001 - 06:41 pm:

Okay, still trying. It's welfare if the money goes to feed hungry kids, but it's not welfare if the money goes to support a private business or if it goes to help a group of people who can afford to own a lakefront camp. Do I have it right now?


By Jack Pine on Sunday, July 29, 2001 - 01:53 pm:

Recorman ..Where have you been, the grant was only for a sewer grant for the ski hill. UP Engineering said , the design was such that it could only handle the lodge and the 50 time share cabins. LLB resisdent could not hook into it. Lonnie Breakwind wanted the town to sign the grant so the town would have the reponsibility for it.


By rcorman on Sunday, July 29, 2001 - 01:03 pm:

D. Berry makes a good point on what welfare is or isn't but under the context of how Speedtrap and myself are using the term, you are a little off. Again, partly right but a little off. Keep trying!

The sewer grant was for the LLB area. If the grant money was ONLY for the ski hill facility, then you may have an argument BUT because it was to put in a sewer for LLB, than you do not.


By Livin in a Van Down by the River on Sunday, July 29, 2001 - 01:43 am:

There's a State of the Art Ski-Hill Sculpted onto the Current Topography of Mt Bohemia and this Winter Design has drawn Upper Midwestern Skiiers That Truly Love This Place.
Isn't that enough to thank Lonnie Lonnie for his Speculative Venture?
Remember this, Free-Enterprisers:
Here's a guy who can afford to break even and also Help Make the Keweenaw a Special Place!

DON'T LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH


By Bigbrotherbilly on Saturday, July 28, 2001 - 05:56 pm:

Alexander Agassiz,

If the GOOD OLE BOY net work gets to you so bad use your voting rights to get them out. I'm sure that with your knowlege of grants and other county business qualifies you as a potential candidate for the job. Then you can see how far $25.00 per meeting goes in the grocery store. a guy with your cheerful outlook on life must have lots of friends to vote out the GOOD OLE BOYS and vote you in.


By D. Berry on Saturday, July 28, 2001 - 03:50 pm:

Hmm. What is welfare? Oh yes, I remember now. It's money alloted for different programs and people apply for it.


By rcorman on Saturday, July 28, 2001 - 03:13 pm:

Grant money is NOT welfare. It's money alloted for different programs and people apply for it.

Of course Lonnie wants a system in to support his business growth, SO WHAT. LLB doesn't have a system(and there is a chance that someday they might need one) so if he proposes that his business, along with others in the area, put in a system. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?

Now, existing LLB businesses and future LLB businesses will be plagued with having to put in their own systems. Systems that are very expensive, limited in size and potentially damaging. Like I said before, if LLB NEVER needs to put in a system, they will be fine but if the EPA or some other group decides that the area NEEDS a system, they will be left holding the bag. Imagine the Landing, being the only business to try a flip that bill. Many LLB residents might have to leave. That is a fact.

Go tell Rick Olson, LLB's own, that he needs to put in a sewer system for his motel. Kick the local, start up guy, in support of Big Business. It is much easier for Lonnie to afford a system of their own than Mr. Olson.

Do not confuse liability with responsbility!


By SpeedTrap on Saturday, July 28, 2001 - 10:21 am:

Rcorman....Keweenaw County does a good job on their roads. Just as the Ski Hill was a jump-start for bigger development, the Septic System was a jump-start for the Lodge, 50 cabins and other development. It had nothing to do with LacLaBelle residents, it was strictly for LonieLand (Mt. Bohemia) and to keep Glieberman's $$ in the bank. And, who would be responsible for the up=keep of the Septic System and the liability of run-off into the Montreal? The Taxpayers of Grant Township and possibly the County. Well, goodie (LonieLand jibe) he didn't get it. He said with the $900,000 Septic Grant, he could put money in the Lodge & Cabins. He agreed with you that it was there for the taking and why not take it. Let us have more responsibility as individuals and maybe we can stop Corporate Welfare and this Socialist State we are in. Gosh, it's a far cry from those "good old days" when you were ashamed to be on welfare, now, it's like an honor. Grab it while the grabbings' good. I suppose that is why they want a Golf Course Grant, too. Just grab it, never mind it serves no economic good, just personal gratification. The deer took a beating last winter, hope the hunt is good.


By Register of Rumors on Saturday, July 28, 2001 - 06:16 am:

Middle of the week a friend told me that he had heard some of the land around Lost Lake had been sold. As I recall,he said the sale included a sizeable area of land.
True?


By D. Berry on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 10:04 pm:

Alexander, I think you'll have to be a little less indirect if you want everyone to catch your point. See what I mean?


By rcorman on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 08:40 pm:

First off, working for the Keweenaw County road Commision is nothing to brag about but if your Mommy helped you get a job... GOD BLESS! However, You have given me any idea of your character and intellect and again... GOD BLESS and deer season is coming soon.

Are you people that small, that you are threatened by the Road Comm. or anything that they have to say or do? SAD! Get a life, read a book, or go for a trip. Get the •••• out of here for a while!

I do not know the specific of these grants but I have worked with grants in the past. Grants are only available for certain projects. EXAMPLE - If that grant money DOES NOT go to the sewer system in LLB, it will go to a system elsewhere. If that grant money doesn't go more golf holes at the KML, it may go elsewhere.

The only hope for the people of LLB is that they never ever need a sewer system. If a day comes and they need one, they will have to pay for it without the help of the biggest and wealthiest business in the area. We'll just have to wait and see.


By ALexander Agassiz on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 07:42 pm:

couldnt have put it better myself Speed Trap.We in Keweenaw know who the Good Ol Boys are. They run the Road commision from the board to the internal management. How bout this for example. My mommy works for K County Road Commission, she retires, guess what, I get the job, without the county taking any applications or without advertising the position open, dont matter I have no background or prior work history to do this job, Czar Jim and the rest of the Good Ol boys from the Country Club up near the mountain give it to Me, Me, Me,. Wanna argue with that Prove Me Wrong ol Boy!!!!!!! There are plenty of other examples for ya if ya like. Just a good ol boys, never meaning no harm, just out to line our pockets with gold.


By SpeedTrap on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 09:51 am:

Prove Me Wrong.....The definition of a "Good Ole Boy"--A self-serving individual seeking personal gratification through their position in the community, completely disregarding their neighbor and using their public trust to give themselves the power to exploit their own community; and, thus through intimidation, taking away the rights of the people they serve.

EXAMPLE>::Threatening loss of County jobs if you speak your mind if different from theirs. And, of course applying for a Grant for a 9-hole golf course.

We've seen this behavior from the beginning of time starting with Calumet & Hecla and the business that cow-tow to those in control. And, we see it now, with the LonieLand (Mt.Bohemia) vote that was favored in Allouez Township. Why? Because U.P. Engineering is a company through grants and developments, and to a point, that's OK. But can't we hear bells ringing when you apply for a Grant for a Golf Course. What good is that for a County-Owned Institution (Keweenaw Mountain Lodge) as far as economics for Keweenaw County. Wake Up!!!


By SpeedTrap on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 05:29 pm:

Land-Use is not even off the ground and those "Good Ole Boys" are lining up for a grant to build 9 more holes of golf at the "Good Ole Boys" Club (Keweenaw Mountain Lodge). There is grant money available for golf courses and I can definitely see a need for another 9 holes. Can't you? You wonder why we work 5 months to pay taxes? Is there no better place for grant money than for LonnieLand and "Good Ole Boys"?

I hope this year we can see the financial statement of the Keweenaw Mountain Lodge, maybe they will show a profit and build their own 9 holes of golf from their budget. Or, will they be like Lonnie, and want it for more frosting on their cake? Have they no shame????


By Perry Mason on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 03:15 pm:

Try to figure this out Tom Cat. Perry Mason, prove me wrong and there is no place like home, all have the same email.

Bring on the wisdom!


By Tom Cat on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 11:51 am:

Why does Prove Me Wrong and There Is No Place Like Home have the same e-mail adress? Maybe you two should talk more at the dinner table.The Keweenaw is a great place by a great lake. Have a great day.

Tom Cat


By prove me wrong on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 03:43 am:

I challenge anyone to explain the " good Ol' boys" to me. In trying to do so, the ignorance will become obvious to anyone with any knowledge or common sense. BRING IT ON!!!!


By Raymond Chandler on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 12:14 am:

On the Great Murder Mystery of Healing Human Divisions:

"This is the mystery of the quotient
Upon us all a little rain must fall"

Rain Man.jpg

By Flick it on da lake on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 08:18 pm:

The House will be rockin' and rollin' tomorrow.

But what does anyone care as long as the Lift Bridge operates.

My opinion is the Lift Bridge should be dismantled to protect the sturgeon that surely finds the obstacle a nuisance in the long range view of things.


By ALexander Agassiz on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 06:58 pm:

Spreadsheet. I am also aware of the Good Ol Boys and their opposition to the state buying hunters point a few years ago. If MJO does not want to sell, wants too much money or the money is not available we have only the greedy harborites to blame . Isnt that the same Tom Beveridge that supported the ski hill at public hearings with lies about how financially strapped pooor keweeenaw county is, to be joined by other good ol boy politicians from Keweenaw. Were so broke we can afford to buy a mouth of a river. Wanted to make me barf, to hear Bob ( I used to work for the land company) Grassechi join in this plea to the state officials cause after all Keweenaw is so broke and faces being absorbed by Houghton County. The poop in Lonnies poppie ponds is not gonna be as deep as this.


By moi on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 08:15 am:

There's ignorance, gossip, half-truths, etc. no matter where you go. We're glad you're where you are too.


By There is no place like home on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 09:19 pm:

It's good to see that ignorance is still in large supply in the Keweenaw. (At least it seems to be by reading these posts.) Every once in a while I miss the area but then I remember the stupid and foolish talk, gossip, and half-truths that is thrown around by many of the residents and I am glad that I am where I'm at.

Keep up the good work!


By Red Jacket on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 11:41 pm:

SpreadSheet, It looks like private profit trumps public access in the grand scheme of things.


By SpreadSheet on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 01:29 pm:

In June, 2001, members of the Dowtown Development Authority of Copper Harbor (businessmen) sent out a letter to all taxpayers, requesting they write a letter to all the proper, power authorities (DNR, State Reps, local Reps) to encourage the State to purchase Hunters Point and the West end of Copper Harbor from MJO Corporation. As quoted by the above--"This is the last chance to save our beautiful property for public access. We need to convince all parties that the community's resident and businesses want to preserve Hunters Point and the West end of Copper Harbor" End quote.

On July l7, 2001, I received this reply from the DNR:--

"As you probably know, two years ago there was a process in place that would have provided for state purchase of the entire Hunters Point parcel. The proposal in place took advantage of a variety of funding sources to piece together the amount required to obtain the property. Some of the funds were of a 'one-time" only nature, from sources that no longer exist. The DNR enthusiastically hoped to add the Hunters Point area to Fort Wilkins State Park, and began to consider management plans for the area that would provide for public recreational use. Unfortunately, at some point after the proposal was in place, the local unit of government objected to state acquisition of the parcel, and advanced a defferent plan based on local government ownership. In doing so, the local unit of government registered strong opposition to the state acquisition effort. As a result, the state process was thwarted, and after the local plan failed to gain funding, the property was made available for private sale. It is unfortunate that the initial acquisition effort ran into local opposition. It is not clear at the point if funds are available for the state to put together an offer for the portions of the Hunter Point property that MJO Corporation may have an interest in selling. MJO is engaged in some internal discussion on this issue, and it is not known at this time what areas they may decide are available, and how much they may think the property is worth. The "one time only" funds that were available in the past constituted a significant portion of the initial proposal, and this money will be difficult to replace. If a realistic opportunity to obtain property in that area becomes available, we would be eager to pursue acquisition. Time will tell if such an opportunity presents itself." End Quote...

Ahem! So now this "beautiful property" was not on the market to the DNR for an addition to Fort Wilkins State Park by the "local authority" two years ago. But, came on the market to be purchased by private developers , namely Fake Lake (cranberry bog) and MJO (Hunters Point Subdivision). I am assuming the "local authority" was Mr. Tom Beveridge , supervisor, and some business people of Copper Harbor. I understand, it may have been turned into some shrine, but then they saw $$$ in other ways. Well, that is OK.

As Bete Gris could have been purchased for $l.00, Hunters Point could have been purchased by the State for public access. Now, I guess, what remains and what MJO allows to sell, will be for public access. Who wins, again? Could it be the "good ole boys", getting their way, while an apathetic public plays golf.

We lost on the Mt. Bohemia struggle, and we lost again. Wake up and support Land-Use. It is your tax dollars that support all projects and need I say, our "public authority".


By moi on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 10:47 am:

The sign about Fraki's sounds about as intelligent as the ones that instruct the sno-gos to put "no snow" in their yard!


By Pastor Piled High and Deep on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 04:04 am:

Exceptional Post(s) Stupid Gray-Black Trailer Trash!
So now, for your reading pleasure, here's an essay supporting your deep thesis that "entrenched self-serving bureacracies", both sacred and secular, are(and O Most Subtly it seems) the ever-encroaching enemy of True Freedom.

July 21, 2001
Coming to Blows Over How Valid Science Really Is
By EDWARD ROTHSTEIN
Sometime in 1962, to paraphrase Virginia Woolf, the world changed. That year a physicist and historian of science, Thomas S. Kuhn, did for conceptions of science what Copernicus and Einstein did for astronomy and physics. He led a revolution, at least if one accepts the analysis in his book, "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions," which has sold over a million copies in 20 languages.
Kuhn introduced the now common notion of paradigm as an accepted set of principles by which the world is viewed. When a paradigm shifts, when, for example, the earth is no longer seen as the center of the universe, old notions of truth are discarded and new ones take their place.
But that wasn't all Kuhn said. He argued that new paradigms are no more valid than the old; they just turn out to be more useful. Kuhn dismissed the idea of scientific progress, portraying scientists as a self-regulated guild that excommunicates dissenters and is preoccupied with what he dismissively referred to as puzzle-solving.
The implications of these ideas turned out to be far more controversial than Kuhn initially imagined, and five years after his death the debate over his intellectual revolution continues.
At least three books by and about Kuhn have been published in the last year, attacking and defending him. "Thomas Kuhn" (Princeton University Press) by Alexander Bird, a philosopher at the University of Edinburgh, evaluates Kuhn's analyses of normal and revolutionary science, providing a critical yet sympathetic interpretation.
More eccentric and politically charged is "Thomas Kuhn: A Philosophical History for Our Times" (University of Chicago Press) by Steve Fuller, a sociologist at the University of Warwick in England, who lays into Kuhn for his elitist and cultic view of science.
Finally, in "The Road Since Structure" (University of Chicago Press), Kuhn's own essays are collected, chronicling how, for over 30 years, he expanded on his initial ideas while trying to protect them from their logical consequences.
The problem is that many of Kuhn's ideas have become part of the postmodernist paradigm. According to this set of ideas, Western science is hardly neutral and objective. Instead it is full of unexamined prejudices and preferences and presumptions. More radically, philosophers of science like Paul Feyerabend have argued that even explanatory systems like mythology and astrology stake claims as valid as those of Western science.
And Kuhn himself argued that ideas that have been rejected by contemporary science — that heat, for example, is caused by phlogiston or that mental health is regulated by humors in the body — have been rejected not because they were wrong but because they no longer served the needs of scientists.
In other words, the truth is up for grabs. There is, according to Kuhn, "no standard higher than the assent of the relevant community."
Kuhn also said that when a new paradigm is created, conservative and revolutionary forces fight over its acceptance. This is what happened with Kuhn's paradigm, leading to the familiar culture wars (over education and the centrality of Western culture) and science wars (over truth and relativism).
One of the most famous science-oriented skirmishes occurred in 1996, the year Kuhn died. A physicist at New York University, Alan Sokal, wrote a parody of postmodern, relativistic and political views of science, riddling his paper with errors. The editors of the journal Social Text published it, catching neither the errors nor the satire. Mr. Sokal's prank, which drew worldwide attention, demonstrated the absurdities of extreme Kuhnianism and showed how some influential scholars cared less about scientific accuracy than about allegiance to ideologies.
Kuhn, too, objected to relativistic arguments. Despite the assertions of some of his followers, Kuhn insisted in "The Road Since Structure" that the world had an objective existence, that it was "not invented or constructed." Indeed, he said, scientific exploration is bound by the nature of that world. But Kuhn's attempts to reconcile those views with the implications of his earlier views created their own controversies.
In his book, for example, Mr. Bird argues that Kuhn's dismissal of absolute truth and his attacks on the idea of scientific progress are confused and lead to a "metaphysical relativism" that was not Kuhn's intention. Mr. Bird's selective criticisms and appreciations leave Kuhn wounded but still a vital presence.
More polemically, Mr. Fuller, in his "Philosophical History," comes after Kuhn from the opposite direction, arguing not that he slighted a conservative notion of immutable truth, but that he hurt the causes of the political left. Mr. Fuller compares him to the blank-faced, illiterate character Chance in Jerzy Kosinski's novel "Being There," a mentally sluggish freak whose cryptic pronouncements, mainly taken from television, were taken as profound by the American political elite. Kuhn, Mr. Fuller asserts, enjoyed a success that was undeserved and fortuitous.
Mr. Fuller, in fact, suggests that Kuhn, despite his reputation, had too much allegiance to the old concepts of science. Kuhn, says Mr. Fuller, retained the "elitist myth" about "visionary geniuses" who changed the world by shifting paradigms. The notion of a coterie of specialists coming to agreement, Mr. Fuller says, supports the idea of an authoritarian, antidemocratic establishment.
"The Structure of Scientific Revolutions," Mr. Fuller writes, was an "exemplary document of the cold war era" because it portrayed scientists as a self-perpetuating cult with no obligations to consider the political consequences of their work. Far from leading to a revolution in scientific practice and power, the impact of Kuhn's book, Mr. Fuller concludes, has been to "dull the critical sensibility of the academy."
Unlike the object of his criticism, Mr. Fuller doesn't offer many scientific examples but he does follow some of Kuhn's precepts in mounting his attack. Like Kuhn, he treats scientific inquiry as a matter of sociological confrontation rather than a progress toward truth; he just thinks the confrontations should be taken out of the hands of specialists. Science, he says, should become a democratic clamor of competing ideas.
Kuhn doesn't go that far, but he does give the process of paradigm shift an author-itarian cast, even comparing scientific groups to the ruling classes of Orwell's "1984." Anybody who disagrees with the dominant scientific paradigm, he said, is "read out of the profession." In fact, Kuhn suggests, it is only when there is unanimity about a paradigm that science comes to believe it is progressing. A clamor of ideas, like the one advocated by Mr. Fuller, would eliminate even this illusion, turning science into a messy social science. But isn't this too an unavoidable extension of Kuhn's conceptions?
Philosophers still wrestle with these issues, as Mr. Bird shows. And postmodern ideas of truth have led to strong support as well as serious criticism. So Kuhn's paradigm is still under contention. But strangely, its influence has affected the social sciences far more than the sciences. Research scientists continue their work, regardless of Kuhn's interpretations. As for the social sciences, with their history of contention, disagreement and rival paradigms, the Kuhnian revolution has hardly seemed necessary.


By A-34122 on Saturday, July 21, 2001 - 09:24 pm:

Just noticed a sign in a yard on Elm Street in Calumet. Said something like 'Don't shop at Fraki's, the trucks wake my kid's up at 5 every morning' or something like that. What the •••• is the nerve of this??? Nice sign though. I wish he would put as much effort into painting / fixing the house as he did into the sign.


By Wade Truitt on Saturday, July 21, 2001 - 10:33 am:

Maybe the builders could use a web site listing the names and addresses of bad customers. Hope you're right about the economic system correcting the state, but in the mean time real people get hurt.


By Charles Buck on Saturday, July 21, 2001 - 09:49 am:

BTT, I trust your litigious customer's name has made the rounds of other contractors and entered the roles of the informal black list. They should have a difficult time improving the value of their property in the future. The economic system will eventually correct errors induced by the state.


By Wade Truitt on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 10:16 am:

Blackie,
Welcome back! I hope you never have to encounter a customer like that ••••••• again. I have no idea why the government chooses some professions to regulate and lets others "police themselves." On second thought, maybe I do have an idea, but that idea •••••• me off even more.


By Ms. V. - St. Paul, MN on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 09:46 am:

BTT: Lord have mercy on us all.


By Black Trailer Trash on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 08:44 pm:

At the end of a road on a back street in the gully of a local Finnish ghetto stood a garage where at one time a Model-A or a '36 Ford or a '66 Chevy Impala nosed itself under the sheltering rough-sawn boards of the roof and walls. My father and a man named Bob and I stood on the cracked concrete floor as the rain fell like a waterfall. Though we were under the shelter, listening to the leaves clapping hands with the rain in the larger shelter of a green canopy above us, we were already wet. And as we waited, the rain cleaned the sawdust from the ground around the sawhorses and the trickle became a flow on the black asphalt making the road a river.
"It ought to be good fishing at the Quincy tomorrow," said my father.
That meant that I could go fishing in the morning, instead of helping my father on an addition he was building. Though cold and wet I felt warm as my hands rested in the nail-filled pockets of a cloth nail apron. I tried to decide if I should pedal my bicycle the two miles to the Quincy Creek, or walk the Copper Range railroad tracks that lay silently on the hill behind the garage where we stood waiting for the thunderstorm to pass.
I can't remember if I walked or if I rode but tomorrow was a good day for fishing at the Quincy.
In 1992, when I returned to Michigan from heaven (near the place where Shoeless Joe materialized from a cornfield), I took with me additional years of accumulated experience in the trade of carpentry. Those years began when I was too young to remember what I had done the day before and too carefree to matter what tomorrow would bring, when Dad handed me a wooden handled hammer and told me to pull nails from some boards he had stacked on a set of saw horses. He gave me an old Folgers coffee can to put the nails in and after working the boards for the better part of a darkless night, shortly before the lightening bugs appeared in the bottom yard, I had a cleaned stack of old paint-peeled boards. I don't recall being paid for the task and I don't recall asking to be paid. The opportunity to help Dad was payment enough. (Okay, so I probably complained righteously but I did do the job.)

Over the years, he took me to work on jobs over the summer, and he also began to pay me. The thought that I could pull nails from boards, or pound nails into boards and get paid to do so was immensely appealing. I calculated that I could afford to buy just about anything I wanted. Before too long, I had started my own business and I began building shacks in the hills and in the gullies of the hardwoods near another local Finnish ghetto that I called home. The only profit I saw was the satisfaction of yet another summer shack completed in time to tear it down and build an addition onto the shack of some allies over in the next gully. Life was sweet, full of adventure, speckled-trout fishing after rainy nights, and the solemn anticipation of what the future would bring. Overseas, American teenagers were being killed in a place called Vietnam.

Recently, I was forced to leave my home and travel 500 nautical miles to Lansing to stand before the Board of Residential Builders and Maintenance and Alteration Contractors. I was there to answer questions the fifteen people at the table had regarding my application for re-licensure. This application was a pre-printed four-page governmental piece of paperwork that had been finally sent to me (in April) after numerous phone calls (that began in January) to begin the process of asking how I go about gaining the permission of the State of Michigan for the right to earn a living as a self-employed carpenter. Ironically, my date (set 60+ days after I sent in the application) with the Board happened on the 12th anniversary, to the day (the 10th), that I record as the day I began my self-employment.

I was in a defiant mood. My license had been revoked after a customer had filed a complaint, a complaint that could have been addressed had he allowed me to correct the mistakes I had made. Whatever rights I had to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness seemed null and void. The State had decided that I could no longer legallypractice the work that I had known since a child. I had made a mistake and because of the complaints of a customer, who had watched us work as he sat in a lawn chair that he placed in the yard on the various sides of the house we worked on, I had become a criminal, working for a living as a self-employed carpenter, contracting with other citizens of this State for services that I am fully capable of performing. Of course, his complaints (that included a rock lining a flower garden that we bumped out-of-place) were dully recorded on videotape.
And we thought we'd appear on America's Funniest Videos.

His complaints are also recorded at the Houghton County Courthouse, in the record of the various pieces of paperwork his lawyer had filed. (Curiously, I had a fellow work for me, who has no license that bragged of working for this lawyer, or his father. Apparently there are times that the State does not care (legally) if one has a license or not.

Before my date with the Board, the customer and I tried to resolve the matter. He wouldn't permit me to correct any mistakes I made. He had filed a lawsuit seeking all of the money he had paid to me. He had filed a complaint with the Board. The Board offered us the opportunity to mediate.

We did so via phone, together, at a branch office located on the NMU campus. The customer had with him, and I had a copy, of an estimate to repair the damages to his house. Again, and curiously, the estimate was for the full amount he had paid to me. The estimate was also written by his on-again, off-again son-in-law, another unlicensed carpenter. The female voice at the other end of the line in Lansing was unimpressed with my argument that his "estimate" was written by an unlicensed contractor, the man's son-in-law, no less.

"Why in the h-ll do I need a license?" I asked of her, two steps away from telling the State to take my license and hide it immediately in a netherlands with a gaping hole in it.
"We don't care who gave him an estimate," was the State's response, the female voice of a bureaucrat with benefits and a pension that are beyond my means as a struggling carpenter.
"He could have gotten an estimate from Home Depot, for all we care."

I'm still confused why I am required to be licensed if my license is subject to revocation based on a computer estimate printed up by an unlicensed salesman at Home Depot, or another unlicensed carpenter. If you are reading this and you hold an occupational license, you should be asking yourself the same question. Nevertheless, that is what the State said. I rejected the customer's suggestion that I pay him all of the money he paid to me. He rejected the return offer I made to him. (Later, I wished I had asked a kindergartner for his or her honest opinion/estimate to present to the customer and to the State.)

The long and the short of is that the Board re-instated my license, with a catch, that I become bonded (so if some -ss-hole decides to sue me, he and his lawyer can collect some money) and that I take a course in contract writing. Here in America, the United States, a citizen will be granted the opportunity of working for a living as a carpenter, all with the permission of the State. I believe in the original thirteen colonies, if a man wanted to work as a carpenter, he likely had some experience to back up his claim that he could fashion a pie-safe from pine wood for a farmer couple. Today, it is only with the kind and gentle graces of the government that you continue in the path you have chosen.

Tomorrow, when you wake up, imagine the government telling you that you can no longer work in the path you have taken. Assuming you enjoy what you are doing, as I enjoy my work, I would think that you would be p-ssed-off and I can't imagine anyone thinking, yeah, okay, that's good, my government is trying to protect me.

Well, when it comes to a decision between you and a sucker fish as in the Klamath Basin, the fish wins. Every time.

Protection. Protecting your interests

My question is why can't the government stay the h-ll out of our lives and let the marketplace determine who will and who will not succeed? Why is it okay for the government to determine who will and who will not work in an occupation?

The sad and unfortunate fact about my trip to Lansing is that I was not alone. I heard the man before me plead his case to work for a living. He had been in prison and had been deemed unsatisfactory to perform the work of a "licensed" residential builder. The Board waved their magic sword and granted him the ability to work for a living, too.

Prior to my experiences with a governmental agency, it was my understanding that protection was a trademark of the Mafia. Now I realize that our government is like the Mafia, offering protection, and we can thank them which I did, sarcastically, and they knew it.

Before they passed judgement, one board member asked of another board member across the table, "Can we do that?" And the other board member responded gleefully, "We can do anything we want."

Your tax dollars at work. They have full benefits. Do you?

Residential Builder
"License" # 2101109044

Tomorrow will always be a good day for fishing at the Quincy.


By Stupid Gray on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 04:37 pm:

It's just that every time you turn around, you hear about someone or some thing that is in the process of being protected. Over at Keweenaw Today one can read about an up-coming event that will high-light protection, protecting the Gratiot, protecting the fish, where-air they be.

Just what is it with this protection
bizz-nizz? We sure are a proud lot, believing that we have it within our power to protect everything and anything that comes our way, or is that, getsinouorway.

Truly, we have become like gods.


By always crazy on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 01:42 am:

Well Hey, I hope you dug that hole as deep as your thoughts for my protection, hah .
I personally don't like to see govt. stepping in, I agree with you on that. But I'd hate to see what we would be living in without it.
I don't know why you have to call it protection, I call it simply sanitation, plan and simple, ain't no big deal. Its simple, the more people, the more you need it!
And the more than simple fact is, I don't know of 1 creature walking , flying, or swimming, on earth, that is a threat to mankind, yet its mankind, that threatens so many and more creatures around him. Certainly some things are taken out of perspective, yet its only our one nemisis, that can do anything about it , our govt.. Its the way it is! Shucks eh


By Hey, ju talkin' to me? on Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 08:25 pm:

SpeedTrap,
You have a good idea with the outhouse idea for Sand Bay. One can only wonder why it hasn't been done, yet. Recently, I began to dig a hole and bury my sh-t in the ground. Not that it happens that often, but what with untold numbers of deer, campers, hikers, bears, coyotes, rock pickers, partridge, berry pickers, and the like, stepping on an object best described as a land mine, it seems digging a hole and deposting your treasure in same would be the prudent thing to do.

On another note, I have been thinking of the idea of protection, theme, if you will, and how the idea of protection has been carried with us through the years. I've begun to ask who is trying to protect me, and from what.

Protection and along with that, monopoly and just exactly WHO whould have the monopoly on protection. The environment, for example, who should have the monopoly on protecting the environment? Some NGO?
Or a government agency? Complete with Contitutional by-pass, looking after the interests of the "public interest" whatever that is.

It's just that I've come up against the idea of protection and I've come up against a wall adamant in nature, entrenched, in a building downstate, not likely to change, because the good folk (?) in said building are concerned about protecting the public.

Seems to me that the idea of protecting the public has been taken to an extreme. And when it comes to protecting the environment, as in the Klamath Basin, where a fish has become more important than the public...well, I have to ask myself...just who will it be in the future who will lay claim to a monopoly to protection.


By SpeedTrap on Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 09:40 am:

There should be toilets installed at Sand Bay, a popular spot for swimmers and rock pickers, and somewhere in the Keweenaw Point to accommodate kayakers and hikers. It is a shame we have to tell Keweenaw County how to do their job, but you can find them at the "Good Ole Boys' Club" (Keweenaw Mountain Lodge) having a good time. Nothing wrong with that! What do they get paid for? How is the Lodge doing? Maybe we could get some facts and figures($) pretty soon, when they give their monthly report on the Lodge. It's usually good for a yawn at their County Board Meetings.


By Late Catskills Comic on Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 02:00 am:

Hey Lonnie Lonnie:

"You remember Jeffrey Hardy?
They're about to organize a searching party!"

By Havrylak Kern on Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 01:38 am:

FREEDOM TEARS(1985)

New Orleans doorkeeps the flood
Carnival conductor of our mystery train
Blue gods born of swamp and blood
Their gospel songs arose from mortal pain
Upstream wheeled the voodoo sounds
Mardi Gras to midwestern towns
Northwinds seized the southern soul
Church bells tolled for that rock he rolled
Old Man River full of fire
Your freedom tears aflame with something higher
Rockets rise to torch the skies
One mourning dove descends
A lonely crier of the judgement that comes before we're born
From childhood through the bodystorm
Till fears of death drag our passions down
And we hug our graves
Moundbuilding slaves

Mississippi RiverSon
Lion-roaring magician
Feathered headdress ecstasy
Angel-flight from Christmas Tree
I sing within my soaring dream
Eagle shadow dancing on serpentine

From Memphis to the Northstar State
Upriver I have churned
Hard against the current just to make this sternwheel turn
Wildblue is my waterdream
Wildblue as the western sky
Like Huck Finn and his Brother Jim
Freedom tears are the tears I cry
I cry
I cry


By Beautiful Loser on Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 01:11 am:

Now this is what I call "a hunk-a hunk of burnin' love":


By always crazy on Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 12:19 am:

Get a life,
I spose you throw your grease down the sewer cause its the easy way, but your part of the problem, but then, only you know that cause the sewer hides all incomers.
and Ah Contraire, hmmmm no Lonnie's not the first, maybe the first to bring people there commercially, ( which I think is the differance),but I spose you've been there to camp and left your condoms and your toilet paper flying in the breeze, and said, aint this roight,roight belly well roight!


By Get a life on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 10:25 pm:

Crazy ••••••,
yah can't throw grease down the sewer drain, either, but are you complaining 'bout that, too?

I once saw a dog try to carry a tree through the woods. The tree kept getting caught on other trees. Won't be any branches left, crazy ••••••,
you keep neglecting the log you roll with.


By Ah contraire on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 06:20 pm:

You mean nobody has camped at Keystone before Lonnie allegedly took some people there?
Or for that matter, nobody else has camped anywhere else but in a registered campsite?
Yah, roight, roight, ya belly well roight.

On another note, I read in tonight's Gazette that there IS another pregnancy counseling service in da area, contrary to what too many others would have us tink. Again, yah, roight, roight, yah belly well roight.


By rocksnrelics on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 03:39 pm:

Fairgoer,

I just sent a message to Patt H. (who usually hosts the People's Fair) to get more info but, as far as I understand, she isn't going to be hosting the fair this year.

For the past several years there has been an advertisement in Ancient American magazine (see www.ancientamerican.com) announcing the dates of the Fair, but according to the publisher, Wayne May, Patt hasn't contacted him this year. I'll post any info I receive as soon as I hear from Patt.

For those of you who are intersted in the mysterious prehistory of the Keweenaw Peninsula, and elsewhere in the world, Ancient American magazine - who would otherwise have held the Ancient American Gathering at the usually annual People's Fair - has had several recent issues with articles focusing on the Lake Superior region's vanished Copper Cultures, who mined copper here for thousands of years before European contact.

If anyone would like to learn more about the Keweenaw's unique prehistory, please contact the Michigan Office (actually temporary space-until permanent headquarters are set up, in Calumet)of the Ancient American Artifact Preservation Foundation at rocksnrelics@pasty.com}, c/o AAAPF, and I will be happy to answer whatever questions I am able. Or, if I can't help you with your questions, I will do my best to steer you in a direction where answers may be found.

The Ancient American Artifact Preservation Foundation is currently involved in a joint project, with cooperating property owners and land stewards, from throughout the Keweenaw Peninsula, in the continuing establishment of the first complete, and non-profit, Cultural/Archaeological Resources Mapping and Assessment (CARMA Survey) of the Keweenaw Peninsula.

If there is enough of an interest in the topic, I will arrange to have the AAAPF's mission statement and relative goals for the Keweenaw posted on Keweenaw Issues and Keweenaw Commentary.

Otherwise, for interested property owners, any inquiries regarding our CARMA Survey will be kept confidential.


Resources and Collections Coordinator
AAAPF


By Forrest Sawyer on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 10:55 am:

Why are you complaining about the FREE organic fertilizer that Black Bear is donating to the county???


By treehugger on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 09:25 am:

Isn't Black Bear a class act! I assume that Lonnie takes the expression "do bears s**it in the woods", as permission to foul the woods of the Keweenaw. Does anyone know who to contact, to try and stop this pollution?


By always crazy on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 01:12 am:

and heres another good one!! Its my understanding that there is not one provision for snowmobile trails in Keweenaw County, Which means as this land is bought up, an owner of such land could close a trail from running through his property!
As all of you who promote tourism in the Keweenaw, you better get your thinking caps on! Personally, I don't care, but with all these businesses so behind Bohemia, you've left the back door open!!


By always crazy on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 12:24 am:

well I have to say I'm glad, Black bear did'nt get their grant!! I can't wait to see what he'll attempt to do next to keep the ski hill going with so little investment. My biggest fear through this whole ordeal was if it had to happen, it would'nt be done right. Given Crosswinds track record, My fears , I'm afraid have come true! Just drive by, It looks like S**T.
And speaking of S**T, Lonnie is now taking groups out in sea kayaks for multiple day trips, to keystone bay and other places, . Where are the facilities, for these people? Have you been to keystone bay lately? Its getting gross!
Isle Royal makes backpackers camp at certain ares with outhouses for this reason. Black Bear seams to think they can s**t in our woods and leave it cause this is the end of the road. Lonnie wake up!! You can't build a business by s***ting on everyone around it!!! I curse you for your neglect of this county!!


By Fairgoer on Sunday, July 15, 2001 - 10:26 pm:

If anyone knows when the Peoples fair will be held in Baraga this year please post it here. Thanks for your help.


By Forrest Sawyer on Sunday, July 15, 2001 - 10:10 am:

Hahaha. Just read about how President George W. Bush completely outsmarted Al Gore in Florida: Bush got the best votes counted in Florida. Just more evidence that he's one of our greatest presidents! I love this!!!


By Forrest Sawyer on Saturday, July 14, 2001 - 08:42 am:

Not even 6 months in office and George W. Bush has already proved that he is one of the greatest presidents that this country has ever had. Thank God for his election!


By Under the Table Guy on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 07:45 pm:

Well,Lonnie too bad Bohemia wasn't in Allouez Township. The nimby's would surely vote yes to your foolish ski hill adventure. They voted against a prison currently located in Painesdale, that pays REAL WAGES AND BENEFITS, not to mention the taxes they pay. Can anyone tell me what Mt. Bohemia is assesed at, and what amount of taxes they pay. We all know that former Czar lyles bad boys camp at Horace Greely pays less than some home owners. So what does Bohemia Pay?


By Yogi Boo Boo on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 02:31 am:

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It ain’t over till it’s over

By Greenhouse Willie on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 11:01 pm:

Some “Hot eNuff For Ya?” Notes on How George W. Can Save His(and Our) Global Leadership Eco-Political Arse:

“The Kyoto Protocol on global warming may be dying politically, but intellectually it lives on: Its complex, costly structure has convinced just about everyone that action on climate change is possible only through painful sacrifice. Presumably that's why President Bush has proposed nothing to address the problem--because he's convinced that really tackling it will harm the economy. But only in Kyotoland must greenhouse reform be onerous. There are practical steps the president can take immediately that will do a great deal of good at a very reasonable price. In fact, Kyoto's demise may be a blessing in disguise. It creates a fabulous opportunity to switch from costly, cumbersome greenhouse ideas to affordable ones that actually work.”

Click here for rest of Gregg Easterbrook’s story

By SpeedTrap on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 09:31 am:

In Copper Harbor tonight, the Grant Township Board will vote on whether the Township should apply for a Corporate-Welfare Septic System Grant for Black Bear (Mt. Bohemia), or let Mr. Lonnie Glieberman put in his own System. The Grant would be for $900,000 and planned and constructed by U.P.Engineering. This would be a lagoon system, pumped up the mountain to the septic site. and sprayed into the woods after being treated. It is very close to the Montreal River. If they vote to apply for the Grant, the Township would be responsible for the maintanence and liability. The energy used for the System, would come from Mt Bohemia's generators placed stategically on the hill (3). We have a Hill on leased land, rented generators (electricity too costly) and lower than projected skiers. Is this a money-maker? We hope good sense prevails and they do not apply for the Grant, as most taxpayers are against it and have voiced their opinion, to put it mildly. The County better be prepared to up-date the YSI system, which is in trouble after having 2 citations from the DEQ. and now is operating without enough inmates to make it profitable. There will be $ there to the taxpayers. Let good sense prevail.


By D. Berry on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 07:17 am:

Oneliner, On everything that ever comes up, or on something specific?


By oneliner on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 11:17 pm:

VOTENOIFYOUHAVEABRAIN


By moi on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 05:40 pm:

If the flies are doing their job, we supposedly won't get most of the moths. Hope so.


By Tom Cat on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 04:18 pm:

Moths are Us
If you go in the woods, there are cacoons everywhere, I mean every-where. When they hatch it really is going to be something.

Tom Cat


By Ms. V. - St. Paul, MN on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 09:06 am:

Moi - its true - since you folks in the Keweenaw are the farthest west & north in the eastern time zone (at least farthest north in the U.S.) you do get those wonderful late sunsets. It sets a good 45 min earlier here. The drawback, however, is that you also have the earliest sunsets in winter. It all evens out.


By D. Berry on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 08:19 am:

The Times? pampered, you really have ruined your eyesight...


By pampered on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 08:09 am:

Here's an article in today's New York Times that reveals one of the problems with faith-based charities:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37723-2001Jul9.html


By moi on Monday, July 9, 2001 - 07:45 pm:

Another U.P. bonus: recently a relative from downstate couldn't believe how late it stayed light outside up here. I didn't realize it changed that quick from here to Southern MI!


By Ms. V. - St. Paul, MN on Monday, July 9, 2001 - 04:22 pm:

Pampered -
Haven't read the article, but saw what you spoke of in the FREEP as well. I realize that this is about the 1913 fire - but just an interesting note - my mother did her research paper to graduate from Madonna University on what it was like for children in the Keweenaw between 1860 - 1890. She got an "A" and graduated last year with highest honors with a BA in History.
And pampered - 1 more thing - its 3:20 pm CDT and its 93 degrees, dewpoint now at 58. If you leave now, you'll be here by 9:30 and see the last embers of lights in the sky.


By pampered on Monday, July 9, 2001 - 03:27 pm:

Hey Folks,

Here's an article in today's Detroit News about coaster brook trout returning to the U.P.

http://detnews.com/2001/outdoors/0107/08/d10-244675.htm

Also, an article in today's Free Press about the opera "Children of the Keweenaw" at the Calumet Theatre

http://www.freep.com/entertainment/newsandreviews/kew9_20010709.htm


By Ms. V. - St. Paul, MN on Monday, July 9, 2001 - 01:44 pm:

D.Berry - Well, if we all went blind, then we would have to rely on more than just what we see. But then, our sense of touch would be obscured with all those hairy palms......
Pampered - You can have all the hot weather you'd like. It's around 90 degress out there, sun is blazing (which is a switch) and the dewpoint is around 70. It's only 6 hours from the Keweenaw to here!


By pampered on Monday, July 9, 2001 - 11:44 am:

And all this time I thought my poor eyesite was because of old age....


By D. Berry on Monday, July 9, 2001 - 11:00 am:

Ms. V., you wouldn't want people to go blind, would you?


By pampered on Monday, July 9, 2001 - 10:10 am:

Ms. V.,

Send the hot weather this way. We don't get near enough of it if you ask me.

I quit putting my winter boots away--I just polish 'em and wait.....


By Ms. V. - St. Paul, MN on Monday, July 9, 2001 - 09:51 am:

Blackie:
Solution to overpopulation... - ...just deny your sexual existance and do nothing sexual. Let's just all stop having sex, the population will eventually die out in about 115 years (give or take) and VOILA! we have nothing to gripe about.
Gas prices out here range from around $1.30 on up. If you saw it for a $1.26 in Marquette, that means it should be going down here as well. Thanks for the update.
If anyone likes hot weather, we got plenty here in the Cities this week.


By Take that Amazing Randi on Monday, July 9, 2001 - 05:27 am:

July 7, 2001 NY Times
Tiny Discovery May Answer a Question About the Big Bang
By JAMES GLANZ
SNOWMASS VILLAGE, Colo., July 6 — By observing millions of subatomic particles called B mesons, a team of scientists working at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center in California has found new evidence of a basic but subtle lopsidedness in nature that may explain why the universe contains mostly matter, rather than being virtually empty and devoid of stars, planets and people.
The results found by a multinational team of about 600 physicists and engineers were announced today in Stanford.
The lopsidedness is "extraordinarily tiny," Dr. Jonathan Dorfan, the director of the center, said at a meeting of physicists here. Nonetheless, he said, it may explain "a spectacularly interesting phenomenon, namely why we are here."

Click here for rest of story


But before you click, just consider for a moment the philosophical implications of this astounding scientific measurement.
GOD doesn't have to get it right everytime.
GOD just has to get it right a bit over 50% of the time over the long run.
That's the subtle primal cosmic asymmetrical difference between LIFE and DEATH at the basis of everything we now know to be Material Reality!

WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD THIS CAN BE!

By The Man Nobody Knows on Monday, July 9, 2001 - 02:12 am:

In 3 years I’ll be able to think like a fish!

“   “
“Backward, turn backward
O time in thy flight
Make me a child again
Just for tonight”

By CA Finn on Saturday, July 7, 2001 - 08:53 pm:

Federal Fiat-BIRTH CONTROL-get it?


By pampered on Saturday, July 7, 2001 - 11:16 am:

SpeedTrap,

Did you read the article in a recent Gazette where local gas station owners were upset at having to compete with the low prices at the Indian station? I just filled up at the Pines last night--$1.29/gal.

Last weekend I was in Marquette and the cheapest gas I saw there was $1.26/gal. I don't know of any Indian stations there. So I too would like to know why gas in Marquette is $1.26/gal and in Houghton it's $1.59/gal or more.


By SpeedTrap on Saturday, July 7, 2001 - 09:57 am:

Let's get a little fired up about these gas prices. $l.36 in Baraga, and 20 miles to the North $l.59. These "good ole boys" are at it again. This is sure price fixing. If I was a young fella, I would raise a little picket party or open my mouth. But, we will be so grateful with a $l.59. Are we friendly to the tourist either, always yapping we are a great tourist destination and then we zap them!


By Federal Fiat on Saturday, July 7, 2001 - 06:49 am:

CA Finn,
I'm right there with ya, baby. I say gas 'em. Shoot man, they're crawling outta the woodwork.
We got a surplus of million dollar machinerys of death so why not put it to use? Round 'em up and gas 'em. Course, we'd have to interview them personally to discover which ones are actually millionaires in rags (it happens) before we begin to cull the herd.

Then we could take a Bible verse and gently lead those with young to the chamber, eh!

Better yet, and probably more humane, would be a forced sterilization program. Or do like the Communist Chinese and force parents to hide that second child in the hills surrounding town.


By CA Finn on Saturday, July 7, 2001 - 05:47 am:

To Blackie and others who feel the same-haven't been to Calif. lately? I live here. When you see a pregnant woman with 3 little ones in tow in the county(taxpayer supported) hospital lining up for more(taxpayer supported) services, birth control comes to the front of the line in my mind. The children already here need and deserve our support. I find it very hard to continue to support the choices of these parents. Have as many kids as YOU can afford.


By Formerly a Polygamist on Saturday, July 7, 2001 - 05:43 am:

Catholics: Ruling Will Shackle Religious Freedom
By Seth Lewis
CNSNews.com Correspondent
July 06, 2001



Quote:

(CNSNews.com) - A California appellate court's decision, which sided with a state law that requires employers to offer contraceptives in their prescription drug plans, is in fact, an assault on religious freedom, according to Catholic officials.

In a landmark religious-liberty case, the California Court of Appeals ruled Monday that while religious organizations are exempt under the Women's Contraception Equity Act, the Catholic Church must provide contraception to employees in secular areas such as charities, hospitals and universities.


Catholics are "deeply troubled" by the decision, calling it the government's most aggressive intrusion into the Catholic faith and a sign of things to come for other faiths.


Planned Parenthood lauded the ruling, arguing that Catholic Charities doesn't justify a religious exemption because most of its employees are non-Catholics.

"Planned Parenthood respects the right of Catholic people who choose not to use contraceptives," president Kathy Kneer said in a statement. "However, it is wrong for an employer to impose its religious views on employees."




click here to read the rest of the story
By Ms. V. - St. Paul, MN on Friday, July 6, 2001 - 04:43 pm:

Blackie - Fine and dandy if the church doesn't want to offer those services, meanwhile maybe they should give up their non-profit status as well, eh? If a church wants to employ people and compensate them with money, then they have decided to join secular society. Maybe instead of monetary compensation, the good folks who worship at the given church will donate their time to avoid this problem. That way, they can subscribe to whatever doctrine they wish and avoid government intervention. Can't have it both ways.


By Blackie on Friday, July 6, 2001 - 04:05 pm:

Allow me to download another perspective on the "throwaway society".

In California, a court has ruled that a church must offer "contraceptive services" to its employees, this contrary to the teachings and beliefs of the church. The court failed to take Romans 14 into account, how completely worldly of them, though in-keeping with the throwaway concept.

Some women will rejoice, as this ruling goes hand-in-hand with the legalized homocide for women-only (abortion) concept of the throw-away society.

But what does this tell us about the encroachment of government into religion? Curiously, "demonimnations" that have other, contrary beliefs, united in their argument against the way the court ruled.

Religious liberty? Yah, right.


By pampered on Friday, July 6, 2001 - 12:57 pm:

Ms. V.,
The article made me think about my own life as well. Consumption (not the cough) has been an issue that I've grappled with all of my life. When I moved up here from downstate, I thought I was leaving the "fast lane" behind and that my life would be less hectic and more simplistic. And in some ways it is--I don't have to deal with daily traffic congestion and the "temptation" of mega malls. I also have beautiful views out my windows instead of looking at fifteen rooftops that look just like mine. But I sure don't seem to have any more leisure time and I surely haven't accumulated a bundle of money from not shopping in the malls. If anything, my life has become more high tech with pricey 4WD vehicles, four-wheelers, snowblowers, tractors, chainsaws, a satellite dish, computers, modems, digital cameras, CD/DVD players, software, cellular phones-all necessities for a modern working family living out in the boonies. One might argue that the above mentioned items are tools, and I would agree. However, in order for me to afford and maintain these tools, I am required to work, work, and work some more. Not only am I on the consumption merry-go-round, but the older I get the more I feel the need to "do" more, as well. I try not to put off doing the things I'd like to do because I also realize that there might not be a tomorrow. Every day is precious and I try to live it to the fullest. Luxury to me is a day where I can stay home all day without having to go into town--maybe clean vegetables and fruit and prepare a large enough meal so I have leftovers to tide me over during the week when I'm too busy to cook. So, in a sense, I've created my own "rat race" right here in the Copper Country. I always see myself living this way--there's so much to do and so little time. I figure I'll have plenty of time to "relax" when they close the lid.


By Ms. V. - St. Paul, MN on Friday, July 6, 2001 - 09:39 am:

Morning all from the world of St. Small ---
Yup, the article says it all. Very true - and I decided to examine my own habits to see how much pertains to me, and alas - some of it does. The good news is, that now that I make less money than before, I am happier - in large part to giving up a job that I enjoyed, but was way too stressful to maintain happiness. I'm lucky, I only live about 2 miles from work (at the most) so at least I am not spending tons of time commuting. The part about the family dinner is so true - and its been happening now for well over 20 years. Even with doing strictly 40 hours a week, I still sometimes feel tapped out to do much more at home, let alone volunteer. The real crazy thing is that compared with the "average citizen" (whatever THAT is) I am actually not very self-indulgent materially at all. If that is the case - why is everything still so blasted expensive?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Moi - normally I don't usually agree with you, but it is a blessed relief to get rid of that heat and humidity for awhile and feel that nice, fresh, cool breeze, eh?
Hope you all had a happy 4th - mine was sedate and that was just fine!


By Honus Wagner on Friday, July 6, 2001 - 01:39 am:

Gipper 3.jpg
God Bless the Twilight League

By pampered on Thursday, July 5, 2001 - 02:48 pm:

Strawberry, what a great article. Is it any wonder that the rest of the world views us as a "throwaway society?" I've read that we (meaning U.S.) work more hours per week than any of the European countries (who are on a four-day work week). I think the bottom line is, we're willing to spend less time with our families and less time pursuing leisure activities so that we can buy more stuff, more stuff, and more stuff. Sad but true.


By moi on Thursday, July 5, 2001 - 09:55 am:

Hard to rant when the worms are gone, along with the humid heat! Aaah, July (so far).


By Strawberry Fields Forever on Wednesday, July 4, 2001 - 04:21 pm:

THE CONSUMING AMERICAN DREAM

The automobile is the perfect icon for the American Dream. Nothing better symbolizes the celebration of individual freedom and personal prerogative that is central to this vision. Like the Americans who own them, cars come in all shapes, sizes and colors. And like the Dream itself, they have changed over time.

In 1959, my father purchased a new Chevrolet Biscayne. Motorheads will remember that year's model for its distinctive gull-shaped tail fins. The car was equipped with two optional accessories -- an AM radio and an automatic transmission. The latter indulgence raised some disapproving eyebrows among his in-laws who speculated that a man with small children might want to be a bit more responsible in his spending habits.

Spartan vehicles of this sort have followed their tail fins into the dim recesses of history. Today's stripped-down model comes with an AM/FM radio, air-conditioning, automatic transmission, tinted glass, radial tires, airbags, padded dash and steering wheel. It also comes with a much larger price tag.

As erstwhile luxuries have evolved into necessities, the cost of basic transportation has risen correspondingly. The modern automobile is far superior to its predecessors in terms of performance and safety; however, its sticker price reflects the improvement. Obviously inflation has taken its toll, but somebody's got to pay for all that extra equipment.

The tendency for extravagance to transform itself into need is a central feature of materialism. Twenty years ago, I did not have a VCR, cable TV, a cell phone, a pager or a computer. Today, these are all necessities.

Of course, all these things improve the material standard of existence, but they also cost money, so the price of running a "stripped-down" household continues to escalate.

As my kids now inform me that we need a DVD player and high definition television, new necessities loom on the horizon. Our continuing pursuit of a paradise of things has generated a firestorm of consumption that has transformed the way we live.

U.S. News reports that since 1982, the population has grown about 20 percent, but the time Americans spend in traffic has risen an astounding 236 percent. In the same time period, the combined morning-evening rush hour has doubled to almost six hours daily. Where are all these people going? In large part, to work.

The modern couple routinely holds two or three jobs to service the debt they've incurred trying to keep pace with the standard of living. They pay the price for this lifestyle at places other than the gas pump.

Harvard professor Robert Putman calculates that for every 10 minutes spent commuting, there is a 10 percent decrease in community involvement. Harried employees have converted the family dinner from a daily staple to a special event reserved for holidays. If they can't find time to eat, how can they be expected to participate in civic organizations? And with consumer debt at record levels and the savings rate all but non-existent, the rat race can only accelerate. Our luxuries, it seems, are purchased at the expense of our leisure.

The Scottish psychiatrist and author Ronald David Laing wrote, "We are born into a world where alienation awaits us." The frantic pace of modern existence assures that his augury is realized. Locked in mortal combat with revolving debt, and prodded at every turn to satisfy newly emergent needs, the contemporary adult views himself more as a consumer than a citizen. This perception breeds a disquieting solipsism -- an emphasis on self at the expense of the group. Social maladies ranging from high divorce rates to schoolhouse shootings can trace their roots to this phenomenon.

They don't make cars like my dad's old Chevy anymore because nobody would buy them. Our sophisticated tastes demand more refined gratification. Unfortunately, we all too often pay for our new and improved goods by mortgaging our souls.

My father may not have had a moon-roof, but he did have time to eat with his family and to enjoy a game of chess with his son.

Today, the American Dream has evolved and such simple pleasures have been sacrificed to the blind pursuit of material nirvana. Paradise Lost can be found at the mall, surrounded by acres of well-lit parking. As the malevolent cynic, Lou Cipher, observed in the film Angel Heart, "The future just isn't what it used to be."

This is M. W. Guzy for TomPaine.com
M. W. Guzy is a former police detective and school teacher who now writes a weekly column for the St. Louis Post Dispatch.


By CA Finn on Wednesday, July 4, 2001 - 12:11 am:

How can this be? No rants, come on people!


By Thunderbolt on Tuesday, July 3, 2001 - 10:52 pm:

Celebrate,
Thanks, I'll try that on Thursday. Have a great Independence Day everyone!!!!!!!


By Irresponsible Misanthrope on Tuesday, July 3, 2001 - 06:31 pm:

I LOVE JULY


By Celebrate Independence Day. on Tuesday, July 3, 2001 - 05:17 pm:

Thunderbolt,
To Rant effectively, one must travel north (actually east) of Ahmeek for 15 miles or so. After the 40 mph hazard sign, after the longer run of guard rail on the right hand side of the road, be ready for a 90 degree right-hand turn to the woods. Turn right there, and head north (actually east, wear sunglasses, keep windshield clean) continue on road for eight miles or more. At the next available right hand turn, take it, on foot, and continue south until you come to a large body of water. There,climb aboard a canoe, paddle due north for one mile until you come to a very large pine tree, disembark, and begin to rant.

When Moma Bear, followed by three obedient and cuddly cubs, flee toward the north ( a rental in the Copper Harbor locale), cease ranting and wait for reply. While waiting, cast your line to the wind and hope for the best.

Regards,
Fellow Ranter.


By Thunderbolt on Tuesday, July 3, 2001 - 10:48 am:

Webmaster: Will there be a place for people (other than D. Berry) to rant this July? If so, how do we get there?


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