February

Keweenaw Issues: Anonymous Ranting: 2001: February
An archive of previous comments

By PaulEagleRiver on Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 11:48 pm:

Birdbrain, The shingles are in the can. I put the shingles in my front yard as mini transfer station. I had heikel take all 28 tons of them to the transfer from Eagle River. We hauled them in daily as the job progessed. The DNR ticketed me for a small fine. Something to the effect of move them soon OK. I did and they are in their final resting place. Tell me where you saw me dumping roofing other than the transfer and I'll call you a turkey. The copper country grapevine runs long. Now come to think of it I could have used my used tar and your falling feathers to give chicken little a new look. AWK AWK AWK By the way whats Gary up to!!!!


By Kumquat Haagen-daaz on Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 10:14 pm:

if you were to set out to build the finest forest that kids could play in, how many houses, factories, and roads would you place in it? if you were to set out to build a place where one could draw near to that which matters, what would it look like?

who among us has not gone someone, someplace, at some point in time and discovered there that something was not quite right? a sign advertising an eatery named after a mine that blocks one's view of traffic? a fence, like a snowbank, placed too close to the road so as to obstruct one's view of pedestrians and approaching automobiles? a shopping mall that would be better situated by the sidewalk, with the parking in the rear, so it looks like downtown? big small they all matter to someone affect everyone and I think even the nation's capitol was laid out with a plan in mind. no?


By 2nd opinion on Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 06:52 pm:

Year after year in Washington, budget debates seem to come down to an old, tired argument: on one side, those who want more government, regardless of the cost; on the other, those who want less government, regardless of the need.
--excerpt from President Bush's State of the Union Speech

The area, probably Houghton County more so than Keweenaw, needs land use planning and effective zoning. The need is there, regardless of the space that is available. To argue otherwise is foolish.


By TIM on Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 05:04 pm:

Moi,
Amen


By moi on Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 04:57 pm:

Sorry, folks, but more laws (a.k.a. government) aren't the answer to any of our supposed problems. We have a vast area of undeveloped land, and a small population, but you try to dream up some type of issue so you can feel effective. Relax, and enjoy.


By Bird of a Different Feather. on Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 11:51 am:

Just thought I would share some comments on the letter I read at the Drift Inn recently that was sent to Ms. Gagnon the former commissioner. Seems the Godfather of the good ol boys wanted to thank her for being a yes woman for all the years she spent on the board. Hmm, seems like maybe she supported his decision not to have the county own Bete Grise when it was offered, due to that liability concern. BS I say, did not fit into the plans for the good ol boys. Wonder if Mr. Bjorn will be pushed around and told what to do by the good ol boys. Wonder if Czar Heikkila will get his way at the Road Commission? Hmm, paul seems not long ago I read you were upset with some type of litter that Mr. Kohs had on IP land. Can you tell us if all of that old roofing that was pulled off the Mountain Lodge has been taken out of the bush yet?

Just a good ol boys, never meaning no harm, except to line our pockets with gold.
Show me the poor rock piles!!!!!!!!!!!!


By Yo on Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 07:21 am:

moi,
where'd ya go? in other words, Keweenaw County has 64% forest/timberlands. what about the rest of the land? can any and every develop happen there? and what about Houghton County?

and another thing, you would think sportsmen would more interested in land use around here. it is embarrassing that they are not.


By mnhnhyuoh on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 07:59 pm:

moi,
so the only way to keep large tracts of ground is to...as you say, "If you can't handle it, buy your own." And that means that we the people need to buy another refuge and incorporate large portions of Keweenaw and Houghton Counties therein? Last count...what, 531?

and assuming that an opportunity comes one's way to buy one's own and one wants to take up farming, will one have to clear the land to make fields so one can farm? cause the farm road looks like Maple Street, USA? or how many fields does LSLC own so one can see them?

there's plenty of company land that has been sold piecemeal over the years.


By PaulEagleRiver on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 07:28 pm:

As I sit here in Houghton County wondering if I dare go to Keweenaw County , a little over six miles from where I am . I think why should I go to the great Eagle River tonight? There is nothing to do there but jump on the computer just like here. I think we forget in order to get urban sprawl we need some land owners and JOBS to get them here. To all who think the end is near your a little frost bit!!! Drive from the big mac to Keweenaw and all you see is the trees that some are afraid will be gone soon. I think not. The thing that will be gone soon is us!!! If this ------ snow doesn't go soon or even attempt to go we will be lookin forward to next winter. The snow walk will stay up this year so I can show the people at the Jam shop why we needed a ski hill. The ski hill is the only thing that has many of us hopeful on the limited growth of the Keweenaw. No my friends , this place is just a little too cold for the normal person to invest his whole life into. God only made one batch of us hard liners that are either too stupid or too broke to leave or come here to stay. I hope the area grows , along with the minds of many. We will always be able to hunt and fish, that is if the fees paid to do it don't get out of control. Bird hunting for example is what 15 bucks, if your lucky you get two half pound birds. Thats 15 buckroos a pound, but the adventure and pride to down one is worth it I guess. I think the local goverment should pay young couples to come live here to take care of the old couples. •••• we pay for our county atty to fight ourselves so whats a few more bucks.


By moi on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 12:22 pm:

You folks that are opposed to property owners with acreage are wacko. There's nothing like freedom. It allows us to buy our own land for hunting, privacy, farming, etc. If you can't handle it, buy your own. Yuck. Crowded next to each other is a solution? Move to the city. Leave us to our 40's. There's plenty of company land that won't get sold as residential. Go there to see the woods. You are completely opposite of the basis that our country was founded on. Rules, rules, rules.


By Winklemoose on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 09:17 am:

Let's see there now, Zabulon Skipper. You say that surveys were mailed to 16,248 households in Houghton County? Mumbling…mumbling…crowd noises, shuffling of feet, high-fives from rows separated by mumbling to recognition in the back row The number indicated is 3,097 more than the 1990 census, and I see that it is suggested that the disparity is the effect of vacant residencies…..? Not only dat, but "some residents who watched for survey forms in the mail reported that they never arrived."
OoOoOOoo, looking for excitement, searching for adventure,
head out on the highway, and whatever comes our way…….born-to-be-wy-EYE-eld!
If I'd been born in anudder time, says Bill to Joe, Ida been a mountain man, scoutin new territory, boldly going where no man has gone before.
Five rows back, (the crowd still munching, munching, mumbling uum-ummm-aaada-cough--excuse me--coming through) and Joey says to Billy, we need to save areas untouched by man……and behind them, Scotty, sitting by his dad dreams of walking on a Martian landscape…..
Yes, Skipper, back to the numbers……and could you tell us if there is anything in the survey to indicate septic upkeep? We all thoroughly enjoy the feeling of being attended to, but so few attend to others and why bother with that nasty old system anyway…it seems to be working…but the numbers, the numbers…16,248. And how many businesses in the area to service those 16,248 septic? No, not all are septic. What's your point?
Here lies dragons.
OK OK, so in the 1990 census, there were 13,151 occupied households….and the 2000 census tells us what? Well sir, in 1997, 16,248 surveys were sent….and then I wonder what the population of Houghton County was in 1990, and then in 2000? 40% of the respondents who returned surveys have lived in Houghton County for more than 30 years.
Willickers. You'd think that with dat many inner-rested in da area and the area's future, we'd be more than able to implement creative zoning so we don't have to listen to lawnmowers up and down the length and breadth of every road in existence in the Keweenaw?
Houghton County by and large doesn't have any zoning now so we ought to be able to……plan, zone, or get out of the way…think what all those sidewalks in the country will cost fifty years from now.


By skeeter on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 06:44 am:

"Have a local mason mortar a fancy stone wall on either side of the entrance, have another craftsman careve a fancy name like Cedar Estates, Pine Tree Gardens, Oakwood Lodge..."

Ever notice these names are for the way it was before the housing was built?

You are correct, there are not many housing options in Houghton/Keweenaw counties.


By Glow worm on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 06:16 am:

Dancing, why sure. Me and the home boys make it a point to have a dance out on the Ponderosa every Friday night. One advantage to having no neighbors is you can do the bunny-hop in flannel shirts and work jeans without anyone commenting on it.

Why not offer the opportunity for people whose desire it is to move to the country so they can "get away from it all" a chance to do just that but create the option of site hamlets and make it unattractive to live on your own private idaho unless you have a license that requires 200 years of adequate schooling, 55 years of experience, and time in the oval office?

Maybe if people had an alternative to buying their own private half acre out in the country they would flock to it in droves? People love the idea of living on cul-de-sacs. Prohibit construction within a quarter mile of the highway.
Punch a road into a 40 and sell x-amount of lots where folk can build their Ponderosa, work out a way to share septic cause hysterically the record indicates septic are not cared for (wonder if that will be addressed at all in a land use plan?). Have a local mason mortar a fancy stone wall on either side of the entrance, have another craftsman careve a fancy name like Cedar Estates, Pine Tree Gardens, Oakwood Lodge, or Camelot. Have another local craftsman carve an artificial Yooper to stand at the gate with a mining lattern held out to keep away the Boogeyman....

I don't think the option is available now, is it? We go the route of selling and parcelling the land into smaller and smaller sections and if anyone wants to "get away from it all" they have to buy their own private idaho.

Look where that is getting us....

Altogether now...shine little glow worm... Quiver!


By Ricky Brautwurst on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 03:24 am:

Beautiful, sobbing, high-geared fu**ing
and then to lie silently like deer tracks
in the freshly fallen snow beside the one
you love. That's all.


Deer Tracks
(1970)

By Quicksilver Messenger Service on Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 01:54 am:

If you perceive Local Politics as a kind of Courtship Dance between previously un-acquainted neighbors, you might the following archeo-anthropological science piece very interesting and inspiring indeed!

February 27, 2001 NY TIMES
In Dawn of Society, Dance Was Center Stage
By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

No one will ever know when someone first raised arms into the air, pivoted and took a few light steps this way and that — and danced. The birds and bees, those exhibitionists, were doing it their way long before. Some mammals were already courting through an unspoken poetry of motion. Humans may have been newcomers, but dancing as self-expression probably developed early in their cultural evolution, perhaps as early as speech and language and almost certainly by the time people were painting on cave walls, making clay figurines and decorating their bodies with ornaments. Archaeologists are at a loss to know the origins of dancing in prehistory because they lack direct evidence, nothing comparable to the art of Altamira or Lascaux. The best they have been able to do is extrapolate back from the ritual dances practiced by hunter-gatherer societies that have survived into modern times. An Israeli archaeologist now thinks he has pieced together a significant body of evidence for dancing, if not at its beginning, at least at a decisive and poorly understood transitional stage of human culture. Examining more than 400 examples of carved stone and painted scenes on pottery from 140 sites in the Balkans and the Middle East, Dr. Yosef Garfinkel of Hebrew University in Jerusalem has established what he says is an illustrated record of dancing from 9,000 to 5,000 years ago. This record, apparently the earliest of its kind, coincides with the place and time hunters of wild game and gatherers of wild plant food first settled into villages and became pastoralists and farmers. It may take imagination to see in these depictions the choreographic ancestry of Astaire and Rogers or the Bolshoi. Some show only stick figures with triangular heads, and some headless, in highly schematic scenes that appear to be dances. Others include figures in a dynamic posture, usually with bent arms and legs. Several scenes depict people in a line or completely circling an illustrated vessel, their hands linked. There is some resemblance here to current folk dancing or even a Broadway chorus line. The prevalence of what appear to be dancing scenes in the earliest art from the ancient Middle East, Dr. Garfinkel said in a recent interview, suggests the importance of the dance in these preliterate agricultural communities. "Dancing was a means of social communication in prestate societies," he said. "It was part of the ritual for coordinating a community's activities. `Hey, it's time to plant the wheat or harvest it.' So everyone would gather and dance, and the next day they would go to work." Then with the emergence of states ruled by kings and bureaucracies and the invention of writing, all occurring in the region some 5,000 years ago, dancing scenes all but disappeared from pottery. People still presumably danced, Dr. Garfinkel said, but "the dancing motif had lost its importance in society." In the just-completed manuscript of a book on dance in the beginning of farming, Dr. Garfinkel writes: "In periods before schools and writing, community rituals, symbolized by dance, were the basic mechanisms for conveying education and knowledge to the adult members of the community and from one generation to the next. The lengthy duration of dance depiction as a dominant artistic motif, together with its dispersion across broad geographical expanses from west Pakistan to the Danube basin testify to the efficiency of the dancing motif as one of the most powerful symbols in the evolution of human societies." Although Dr. Garfinkel has been collecting and evaluating this evidence for eight years, his interpretation is new to many art historians and archaeologists. An early version of the idea was summarized in 1998 in an article in The Cambridge Archaeological Journal of England. Several scholars said the suggested link between dance and social communication in preliterate societies was intriguing and reasonable, though not proved. "I think Garfinkel is on the right track," said Dr. Kent V. Flannery, an archaeologist at the University of Michigan who specializes in early agriculture. Dr. Andrew M. T. Moore, an archaeologist and dean of liberal arts at the Rochester Institute of Technology, said he found the hypothesis interesting and worth further study. But he cautioned against any hasty acceptance of it. "I would be skeptical of any attempt to go beyond the depictions to actually reconstruct social behavior," said Dr. Moore, who has excavated an early agricultural community in Syria. "The scenes are extremely difficult to interpret. In the absence of a written record, we must be cautious in saying what people were doing and thinking." Both agreed that dance predated this pottery art by a great stretch of time, and that it probably had long had a social function beyond mere entertainment. Dr. Flannery made a case for why rituals, including dancing, might have been especially important to what he called intermediate societies. (No one has seriously proposed that the availability of beer, discovered in the same period by clever barley farmers, had set off millennial bacchanals.) For many thousands of years before they settled down, the thinking goes, people were nomadic hunter- gatherers who lived in small groups more like extended families. Once some of them in the Middle East settled into year-round camps, more than 10,000 years ago, they took up farming and congregated in village communities of as many as 200 people representing several families. Seeking more inclusive bonds, Dr. Flannery suggested, they probably "invented a fictional common ancestor as a way to integrate the community." This practice, he noted, had been observed in the Pueblo villages of the American Southwest. The villagers believed they were all descended from a common supernatural ancestor like the Great Coyote or the Great Eagle, and so all had an obligation to one another. Their rituals and dances, often elaborate, reinforced these beliefs. "Without strong leadership," he said, "ritual systems take on a huge burden of integrating people." Dr. Garfinkel contends that ritual dancing may have been essential in getting the work done in early agricultural communities. Hunters and gatherers could go out and almost immediately have results they could eat. Agriculture, by contrast, created a "delayed reward economy." "Before the harvest, there are various tasks to accomplish: land clearance, seeding and tending the fields," Dr. Garfinkel pointed out. "Thus, the beginnings of agriculture involved a cognitive revolution concerning the relationships between work investment and its final product." The new economy had to be understood and accepted. Festivals and ceremonies, including ritual dancing, may then have invoked supernatural powers to ensure a successful harvest if everyone pulled together. Nearly all the depictions, Dr. Garfinkel said, showed dancers in groups. Dr. Flannery said that Dr. Garfinkel was probably correct in relating the reduction in the dance motif on pottery to the rise of civilizations under kings, which occurred around 3000 B.C. with the Sumerians in Mesopotamia, a land that is now southern Iraq, and not long afterward in Egypt. "Real authority, with people on top issuing orders that had to be obeyed, had replaced the ritual dancing in integrating the community," he said. In time, art reflected the new official reality, portraying the king and his warriors and workers instead of dancers. Dr. Flannery offered a modern analogy. In the Soviet Union, May Day was celebrated with an official parade of arms on Red Square, a scene amply recorded on film, while faraway villages still held their peasant dances, which were not likely to be depicted in art. In his research, Dr. Garfinkel found the earliest examples of the dancing motif in art from two 9,000- year-old sites in the Middle East. Engraved on a stone basin, excavated at Nevali Cori in southeastern Turkey, were three human figures in a line, faces forward, legs wide and arms bent upward. The two outer figures are larger than the central one, suggesting a scene of two dancing men flanking a woman. Only in a few cases, mainly in art from early Egypt, Dr. Garfinkel said, are both sexes seen dancing together. At Dhuweila, a small camp site in Jordan, rock carvings depict a row of four human figures holding hands. They have elongated necks and heads that appear to be nonhuman. Dr. Garfinkel thinks they are wearing masks, evidence for which has been found at other sites. In later millenniums, most of the dance art has been found painted on pottery, usually small vessels for eating and drinking. As Dr. Garfinkel observed, the scenes emphasize dancing as a community activity. The focus is on a line or circle of identical figures moving in the same direction, indicating the importance of the group over the individual. "Dance is thus an activity through which society instills collective discipline in its members," he concluded. The dances also appear to take place in the open; in the few examples where some architectural elements are visible, the dance seems to be outside them. And since most of the dancing figures appear as silhouettes, it is possible the dance is being performed at night. Dr. Garfinkel expressed surprise that no musical instruments are seen in the motifs. In his book, Dr. Garfinkel acknowledged that not every question concerning early dancing could be answered. "Only a rough general outline can be reconstructed," he wrote. He also noted that the dancing scenes on pottery were made by local potters to be used by members of the same community. The images must have had immediate and contemporary meaning. Since the images reflected inside knowledge, he said, "it is justifiable to consider the dancing scenes as authentic documentation of dance activity." Dr. Moore, the Rochester archaeologist, said it might take time to judge the new interpretation. Although he found "the proposition an intriguing one," he said, scholars will probably debate its pros and cons for several years until someone comes up with more research that supports or sweeps away the hypothesis. Such is the usual practice in the scholarship of prehistory, the attempt to reconstruct a dim past from a few stones and shards, some of which may reveal people dancing in the dark through the seasons of life and toil in early agricultural communities.


By ZS on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 10:37 pm:

skeeter,
Come take a ride with me in HOughton County sometime. I'll show you driveway after driveway, private road to individual home after another and more again, every hundred feet. Sure the migration to the country costs the local units of government little to allow...but what are the long term costs of allowing it to continue?

There has to be a better way. And yeah, I think you have something there with attitudes about density needing a change.

I think the idea of hamlets would appeal to many people. Tweak taxes to make hamlets affordable.
Raise taxes on the lone-star house out on the private forty Camelot.


By Zabulon Skippe on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 10:29 pm:

Why can't we create rural hamlets instead of spread out, non-communicative still paintings?
Can't we create our own zoning labels and apply them to prevent the 100-foot-driveway scheme of things we see happening now? Look at where that is heading and the picture is devastating--you won't be able to access the woods for the lawns in the way.

Land watcher,
Maybe Keweenaw County has a chance to prevent the rural sprawl I am opposed to--much of the land is owned by LSLC/IP. So instead of them selling 40s at a time, develop site hamlets.
I don't have all the answers. Questions, yes. Seems like if we put our heads together we could come up with something. And maybe there is hope for Houghton County.


By Land watcher on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 09:12 pm:

Skipper:
Then we should be doing everything possible to incent individual, companies, etc. to maintain large blocks of ownership - if I am reading between the lines in your recent post?


By skeeter on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 08:50 pm:

Someone finally said it. The nail has been hit on the head. Great post, ZS!!

-"-it costs more to provide adequate roads, water, sewer, utilities, and other services and controls--than the benefit of dollars received in property tax dollars. (If I understand the analysis.) "

Many studies have shown that single family homes cost more, commercial/industrial cost less and subsidize single family. Schools are part of the formula.

"No roads have been constructed; the roads already exist. The property owner foots the bill for every cost involved."

Private roads to homes have a habit of becoming public. Road services are expensive, especially in snow country.

"But in the long run, ten, twenty, thirty of more years from now, will people begin to notice the countryside has begun to look like Maple Street, USA? Eventually, the available land along the developed roadsides is going to disappear. What then? Do individual property owners with enough land on either side of them begin to sell pieces of their property to individuals wishing to move to the countryside? And will it eventually reach the point that the people who moved to the country discover that the village has followed them and so begin the cycle over again? This time with the added cost of developing another road with no homes along the length of it? "

Yes to all questions

"Curiously, there were a number of written comments that derided the development around Sharon Avenue in Houghton. But I would hazard a guess that everyone who views the development there as a visual blight has also visited and shopped in the area numerous times. "

Congratulations to the City of Houghton for planning a very compact and accessable "strip" without a lot of left turns on the 5 lane, that doesn't go all the way to South Range. 10,000 evergreen trees would help the visual image of this area immensely.

"I'm inclined to believe that it is not, that we would rather maintain undeveloped areas as they are, rather than to allow the continued sprawl that has begun to change our Keweenaw without anyone trying to stop it"

Yes, but we are the enemy, as it is our collective goal here to live in the country and we are not going to stop the desire of people who want this too and are moving here. Attitudes must be changed about density, for this is a piece of the solution. In the bigger towns, people are seeing the folly of living 20 miles from work and all that driving. We will figure this out in the rural areas some day. Guess our commuting traffic isn't bad enough yet and retired persons don't have this problem necessarily.

Good questions and observations. There are not easy answers to the basis of the problem.


By Lightening Bug on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 05:32 pm:

Hey there Skippy doo. You're not one of those who engaged in the peanut butter taste test, are you? Visited the site you mentioned.
Respondents to the survey had opportunity to add comments and there are quite a few.
One of the more colorful follows:

Personal watercraft, i.e. jet skis, have become a blight on our lakes and rivers. Their use should be restricted to wastewater lagoons and their noise output should be sharply reduced. Snowmobiles should be wired to self-destruct at speeds above 30 mph. We cater to noise, speed, and stink far too much. [Adams Township]


By Queequeg on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 12:55 pm:

"This area doesn't have to worry about our towns and villages sprawling beyond reasonable borders; the sprawl is coming from outside our communities and working back toward town"

That's a very perceptive observation you made there, Skipper!


By The Zabulon Skipper on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 12:04 pm:

One effect of the controversy of Mt. Bohemia is that concerned citizens have become more aware of the need for land use planning. Work toward that end has begun at the township level to generate a land use plan. Currently, there appears to be a larger number of Keweenaw County citizens engaged in the work of defining Keweenaw County's future.
Their efforts should be welcomed by all. That the work needs to be done is beyond doubt.
Anyone who believes their voice is not heard should now add their voice to the vision of what we wish the area to become.

One argument heard during the Mt. Bohemia debate centered on the cost of development to local government and the cost of providing services to the development.
Studies have revealed, the argument said, that cost of development and services is more than the return cost. With the intent of debating the merits of the argument, I located a study or two online that illustrated this analysis. The argument sounds reasonable--it costs more to provide adequate roads, water, sewer, utilities, and other services and controls--than the benefit of dollars received in property tax dollars. (If I understand the analysis.)

Questions could be raised. For example: what time frame the study included. Did the study look at projected costs and benefits over a short period of time? Or long?
How equitable is the distribution of the cost of development?

But those studies have been done elsewhere. What kinds of studies have been done in the Keweenaw regarding development? I called the township office before I sat down to write this. I asked, what does it cost the township if a person has an acre or forty acres, and decides to build a home in the country? Nothing. No roads have been constructed; the roads already exist. The property owner foots the bill for every cost involved. What benefits are gained? The property owner benefits--the only possible hindrance and oversight of his development has been by the Health Department when they looked at the ground for well and septic. A building department looked at the construction of the home to ensure code compliance. But nobody questioned the development of the individual property owner whose desire it was to live in the country. It costs the local units of government little or nothing when an individual property owner decides to buy a piece of property, eventually build a home upon it, and pay property taxes that contribute to the funds used for services.

But in the long run, ten, twenty, thirty of more years from now, will people begin to notice the countryside has begun to look like Maple Street, USA? Eventually, the available land along the developed roadsides is going to disappear. What then? Do individual property owners with enough land on either side of them begin to sell pieces of their property to individuals wishing to move to the countryside? And will it eventually reach the point that the people who moved to the country discover that the village has followed them and so begin the cycle over again? This time with the added cost of developing another road with no homes along the length of it?

In January 1997, a survey about land-use issues was mailed to 16,248 Houghton County households. 1,936 surveys were returned with answers to the 26 statements about land-use. Several statements had the highest level of support. 90% agreed, either strongly, or somewhat strongly that Long-range planning is needed to manage growth and to protect our environment and natural resources such as drinking water. The natural environment, scenic beauty, and "getting away from it all" are important to our quality of life.

The only statement of the survey with which people were almost unanimously united in that they disagreed with was as follows: "Developers should be allowed to develop with little or no restriction because it helps the local economy."

I'm going to assume that the people who oppose allowing a developer free rein have defined a developer as an entity larger than the individual anonymous property owner who decides to build in the countryside. But why is that? Why do we oppose giving a large developer free rein, while asking for free rein for our own projects?

Could it be that we really don't object to the move to the countryside because the immediate effects are not felt by any of us unless the property developed happens to be where one has enjoyed hunting, picking berries, or simply spending time "away from it all".
Curiously, there were a number of written comments that derided the development around Sharon Avenue in Houghton. But I would hazard a guess that everyone who views the development there as a visual blight has also visited and shopped in the area numerous times.

I haven't read all of the pages available regarding the survey and its results at the GEM Center's webpage. But I suspect that I won't read anything that questions the migration to the countryside. This area doesn't have to worry about our towns and villages sprawling beyond reasonable borders; the sprawl is coming from outside our communities and working back toward town.

Is this what we want?

I'm inclined to believe that it is not, that we would rather maintain undeveloped areas as they are, rather than to allow the continued sprawl that has begun to change our Keweenaw without anyone trying to stop it. I believe that we can find answers that would answer the questions of most of the people. The question is, are we willing to begin the work necessary to guide the area's growth? Or will we ignore what is happening and allow the kind of growth that has been happening to continue unchecked?

(The survey mentioned is available at: http://emmap.mtu.edu/gem/
http://emmap.mtu.edu/gem/community/publications/survey/whole_survey.PDF)


By PaulEagleRiver on Sunday, February 25, 2001 - 04:57 pm:

Your right were in for it. When you have to shovel out the shopping carts you know we have enough snow to ski on. Today I saw a snowman with bus tickets for Florida!!!! The flat snowmen are grouping for the spring thaw, I know I have as many as twenty in my driveway right now. When the storm stops I will have twenty one!!! My brother reports that the snow is packed up over the railings of the cat walk in Eagle River. I better take some pictures for the summer tourists so they will believe me. •••• the winter is getting so long the dogs are walking each other. At least 80 deer in the Eagle River area waiting for those old vegetables you have left over. Take a ride and feed some of the young and starving deer for a real look at nature.
SHOW ME THE GRASS!!!!!


By We're doomed, we'll never make it..... on Sunday, February 25, 2001 - 08:58 am:

after the Antelope landed in Lilliput and while taking the required nap on the beach, the dreamer was heard laughing, and upon waking set upon his task not only to enlighten, but to amuse. And so a plan was made to make it possible to lighten the load pushed in the shopping cart to the recycling center……


By Warren Beatty, movie actor and director. on Sunday, February 25, 2001 - 01:29 am:

"The Democratic Party has abdicated much of its soul to raise the money necessary to be elected. To regain its historic mission and activate its natural constituencies, the party must, above all, face the fact of its own culpability in the odor of the legalized bribery that constitutes the way we finance our campaigns. Why bemoan the Bush restoration if fund-raising has turned the Democrats into slightly kinder and gentler Republicans?
The present discussion of bribery should focus less on detecting those we feel might be culprits under the letter of the law and more on favorable treatment exchanged for campaign contributions that now technically qualify as legal.
Blackstone, in his "Commentaries," says: "Plato therefore more wisely, in his ideal Republic, orders those who take presents for doing their duty to be punished in the severest manner; and by the laws of Athens he that offered was also prosecuted as well as he that received a bribe."
How do we encourage honorable people to enter or remain in a profession in which success is so often achieved by dishonorable conduct? I hope the revelations of the last few days will dramatize for the public the dire necessity of having, and the high cost of not having, public financing of political campaigns."


By The Zabulon Skipper on Friday, February 23, 2001 - 03:50 pm:

Today, the Maine Times has a story called:

Paying the piper

Access fees, new taxes and
using volunteers are options
By PHYLLIS AUSTIN


along with an editorial related to the article.


http://www.mainetimes.com/

By Petra and Lee Bonneville on Friday, February 23, 2001 - 06:17 am:

Greeetings Michiganders,
We came across this website after an e-mail alerted us to its existence. We live in Florida and we own that house in the country that Walt spoke about.

What Walt failed to mention is that a gas station was right off the cloverleaf exchange with I-75 so we don't have to make the half hour drive across town to fill up.

We managed to buy 20 acres when we purchased to build, like a few of our neighbors have done, so we don't have to put up with obnoxiouos neighbors, barking dogs, and the criminal element.


By Willalee Bookatee Moses-Kawasaki on Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 07:00 pm:

Imone tell ya what! Dudes right! There be some little space gook up there on Titan scopin us out!
Homeboy bout million year old, too. Tell ya what I think, I think people up there in the U.P. gots connections with this google-eyed spaceball. Dudes be callin hisself Salo! Tell me that ain't French! Or Finnish or whatever it is all you poe white folk be braggin bout all the time.
And another thing, OoOoOooo-wee! You be worrying bout driveways every hundred yards man? How come? Tell me that. They gots us stacked up like cordwood man. We be lucky to see a driveway! You soun like you all hidin out from sumpin man. Tell me what!


By Chief Bromden on Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 06:34 am:

I was beginning to think there was a conspiracy by locals to resist the combined effort and weight of the way we were. That is about all I can add to the paranoia motif that never really found any ground to play on. Where is that angel when you need him?

Some things are true even if they never really happened.


By Randall on Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 03:36 pm:

Frank and Herb,
Listen, I don't wannna blow smoke up your nose, so I won't. These are hypnotically anarch-tic times. What we need is a massive dose of paranoia to set things right. So shake off that softly fallen silent shroud of snow, shake a leg and say hello to the camp. Bump the night.


By Frank Abrams on Wednesday, February 21, 2001 - 05:28 am:

Herb,
Boy! I-tell-you-what! You hit nail on the head with that! But what Vonniegutt didn't know at the time was that the little Martian feller wasn't on Titan. Yep, that's right, Eros. The little guy is on Eros, has been there for time immemorium.

You will recall that when we watched the Mars Lander touch down there that it landed on the bright side, not the dark side! The little feller is shy. And the reason we even sent that probe up there was to bring him/her some food.

When the probe popped open and the little moon car started off, it wasn't going to go doing the touchy-feelie with rocks. No siree, Bob. Parently, the little feller's developed a taste for Happy Meals. Can't get enough of 'em.
You think those shuttle flights for nothing!
Vonniegut said it, I didn't. Been meeting him/her in space to deliver Happy Meals.

You'll notice that you could date things not BC\AD but BM\AM (Before McDonalds After McDOnalds)
Some independulent-mindful folk believe AM that the little fellers been short-circuited, has a chemical impotency and that it's showing up in folk down here on Earth.

May the Force be with you!


By Herb Phelan on Tuesday, February 20, 2001 - 10:17 pm:

Want to add my thoughts to this conspiracy\paranoia debate. Yeah. I think the conspiracy fallacy is jusd dat, fallactic. Shoot man, everyone knows there's some little martian feller controlling things up dere in space. Dats why we sent that Mars Orbiteer out dere to check things out.

Kurt Vonniegut documented this fact in dat book of his: The Sigh-reens of the Titanic.

All dat conspiratorism does do is ta make folk tink there ain't no hope and consequentially nothing gets done.


By Lookin' for da maps on Tuesday, February 20, 2001 - 03:27 pm:

Yah, me and my fishink buddies got this watershed project on da shedule for dis year so we're lewking with indarest at da info what suggests there be some maps at da site of da Tech oudfid.

Yah, sure wud be nice if sum of dem maps wuld become avaylable with dose GIS Koordnits of da beaver dams and such. Why dunt dose foks at Tech share da info wid us?


By The zabulon skipper on Monday, February 19, 2001 - 07:10 pm:

O! I wunder, wunder, What! ba-do-wah, what is this project about and why has so little been heard about it?
GIS Support for the Trap Rock River Watershed Project, USDA NRCS


By assuming the page will change tomorrow on Friday, February 16, 2001 - 04:20 pm:

By Mary Anne Lagasse and Judy Harrison, Of the NEWS Staff
AUGUSTA — State leaders assured union officials representing about 230 International Paper workers who will lose their jobs at two sawmills in April that they will continue to encourage IP to sell the mills or find a way they can be reused.
Gov. Angus King said he had received news that IP would be willing to entertain an employee buyout. The state’s Department of Economic and Community Development has funds available to help workers explore a buyout.
Last week, IP announced it would close its Passadumkeag and Costigan mills in April, leaving about 250 people without jobs. The company will maintain only a small chipping operation employing about a dozen workers at the Costigan facility.
Union leaders, who are upset that IP won’t sell the two sawmills despite interest from several firms to buy them, called on the governor and members of the congressional delegation to put pressure on the company during a meeting on Thursday. Officials from the state’s departments of Labor and Economic and Community Development also attended the meeting.
Gov. Angus King said IP’s preliminary position was to keep the mills off the market.
“It is one thing to decide you can’t make it profitable, but it’s another to say you aren’t going to let anyone else try,” said the governor. “I’m going to continue to be in touch with the company at the highest levels to make the case that if they don’t want to run the mills, they should be cooperative in having someone else do so,” said King.
“We are putting pressure on the company to make sure that every single reuse of that facility is considered and that people and parties, who are interested, have an opportunity to have it reviewed,” said U.S. Rep. John Baldacci.
King said one of IP’s concerns was that the Costigan mill continue supplying chips to its Bucksport paper mill. He said he would try to find ways to meet that concern while allowing the mills to be operated by someone else.
While King has been working with various state agencies about training and unemployment benefits, he said he would rather get employees back to work. He said a former Passadumkeag mill manager had strong beliefs that the mills were viable operations.
“These jobs are too important given their location,” said King. “In this region, it is devastating. It goes beyond the 250 jobs. It is the store owners, the truckers and all the people involved in serving the mills.” The governor said a related problem was that the sawdust generated by the mills was used as a fiber supply at Eastern Paper’s Lincoln mill. “This creates a fiber supply problem for Lincoln. It is a bad situation,” he said.
Union leaders said they were encouraged about IP moving away from its position not to sell the mills.
“Now what they need to do is give us a commitment that they will sell to private investors as well as to employees,” said Duane Lugdon, an official of the Paper, Allied Chemical and Energy Workers International Union representing Passadumkeag workers.
Lugdon said an employee buyout will be explored, but he said a sale to a private investor could be arranged quicker and could save employees from being out of work. David Lowell of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, which represents Costigan union workers, agreed.
Lugdon said it would be in the best interest of any owner of the mills to continue providing chips to IP’s Bucksport mill.
Lowell said companies like IP and Kimberly Clark come into the state, buy mills, shut them down and transfer work elsewhere. “It’s just bad business for Maine. The state should not be supporting that kind of thing by giving them tax breaks,” said the union official.
In the meantime, about 115 union workers at IP’s Costigan mill will learn about the details of a severance agreement during an informational meeting scheduled for 10 a.m. Sunday, at the Milford Town Hall. Directly after the meeting, workers will vote on the proposal.
While officials were discussing the mills’ future, more than 250 workers and their families filled the Helen S. Dunn School in Greenbush late Thursday afternoon.
Commissioner of Labor Valerie R. Landry assured workers that the state was taking a two-pronged attack.
“There is nothing we do that is more important than what we are doing here today,” she said. “In the long term and for the short term, we’ll be here with you. This is why we exist. … And in Augusta, the governor will go down fighting to try to persuade, negotiate and redirect IP’s decision to shut down rather than sell these mills.”
Most of the workers who will be displaced by the closings have worked at the two facilities for more than 20 years. Bearded men in blue jeans, flannel shirts and steel-toed safety boots faced state and federal employees clad in two-pieced suits who peppered the mostly middle-aged audience with acronyms.
NAFTA, RETI, TDC, ATT and TTC are just some of the alphabet soup organizations displaced workers will be contending with over the next year or two, according to Paul Luce, who heads the Department of Labor’s Rapid Employment and Training Initiative, or RETI.
“I think it’s a good start, but we’ve got a long way to go,” said Jeffrey Dugas, 37, of Greenfield, after the 90-minute meeting. He has worked at the Costigan mill for seven years. “I am more hopeful than I was before this meeting. I didn’t expect to see as many politicians and agencies get involved as have. That’s a good thing.”
A Passadumkeag store owner found little solace in the programs outlined. Barbara Ireland said business at B & W Variety, which she had owned since 1992, has dropped off two-thirds since Feb. 8 when IP announced it was closing the mills.
Union leader David Lowell declined to publicly disclose the details of the agreement until it is presented to workers. He said the union was bargaining in a timely fashion in case they were unsuccessful in their efforts to convince IP to keep the mills open by selling them.
Talks between IP and 113 union workers at the Passadumkeag mill are continuing. “We have come to no final conclusions,” said Lugdon. He said the company was now complying with state law on workers severance pay. Additional sessions to explain government programs to workers will be held next week at 9 and 11:30 a.m. Tuesday for Costigan workers and at the same times on Thursday for Passadumkeag workers. Both will be held at the Helen S. Dunn School in Greenbush.
In Howland, where the largest number of Passadumkeag workers reside, town officials are very concerned. Town Manager Glenna Armour said the shutdown of the Passadumkeag mill would have far-reaching affects on more than the 28 workers who will lose their jobs. “A number of loggers are going to practically be out of business. Everyone is going to feel the pinch,” she said.
This week, U.S. Sen. Olympia J. Snowe asked President George W. Bush to initial high-level negotiations to resolve the dispute on the 1996 U.S.-Canada Softwood Lumber Agreement.
At issue are ongoing subsidies by Quebec, Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia, which own about 95 percent of the lumber in their provinces. The resulting prices have flooded U.S. markets with low-priced Canadian lumber, causing prices to plummet by more than one-third in the past year. “As a result, lumber mills in Maine and nationally have been closing at a rate of about one every other day, including two IP mills in Maine,” said Snowe.


By The Bangor News on Friday, February 16, 2001 - 04:18 pm:

State leaders offer to help IP workers in Maine


By moi on Friday, February 16, 2001 - 01:33 pm:

A point certainly makes more interesting reading.


By Daryl Laitila on Friday, February 16, 2001 - 10:21 am:

Here is a picture of one of the cruise ships that sailed to Houghton in 1909. It's from a collection of post cards at the Hanka Homestead.
mypicture


By Mistral on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 09:29 pm:

When has anyone been interested in a point?


By Ray Don Gass, Famous French-Canadian, Country & Western Singer on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 04:59 pm:

The cruise ship is coming! The cruise ship is coming! In July and August, to Hoton. Yippee, aye ki yay!


By Tom Cat on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 02:21 pm:

Mistral
Cash has always been King. So what is your point?


By Mistral on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 05:34 am:

All You Need is Cash!

.......yeah, zoom zoom zoom....
I've got some real estate here in my bag....
yeah zoom zoom zoom...
zoom zoom zoom
I've gone to buy up America....
oh zoom zoom zoom...

I've gone to buy up America...
It's a Boer-ring-ring-ring War
yeah zoom zoom zoom
and no one really cares

cause an island feels no pain
And I've gone to buy up America!!


And all you need is cash!
Cash is all you really need

yeah zoom zoom zoom


By Mistral on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 05:31 am:

All You Need is Cash!

zoom zoom zoom....
I've got some real estate here in my bag....
yeah zoom zoom zoom...
zoom zoom zoom
I've gone to buy up America....
oh zoom zoom zoom...

I've gone to buy up America...
It's a Boer-ring-ring-ring War
yeah zoom zoom zoom
and no one really cares


cause an island feels no pain
And I've gone to buy up America!!


And all you need is cash!
Cash is all you really need

yeah zoom zoom zoom


By Mother Nature's Son on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 12:50 am:

IT'S BEEN GREAT!
HERE'S TO YOU, DAD!
ARRIVEDERCI KEWEENAW!

By Havrylak Kern on Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 11:33 pm:

There's a sub-zero weekend Cold Spell comin' to all of us stricken with cabin fever, so, in the interest of warming Two Hearts for the revival of an old True Blue Flame(and may her sweet soft love forever R.I.P.), I request all your spare, disparate and generous indulgences:

TWO-HEARTED RIVER(1982)

Bluewater falls when the sky's in pain like my teardrops do
Clouds pass by up above the rain I just can't believe it's true
Back in the heat of our summer fun I went and threw my heart at you
When will your love come breaking through?

Red leaves twist through an icy wind like your words did through me
Autumn fell when the snow began to spin out a speechless sea
Then through the silence of winter's peace
Green spring came begging me to feel all the old feeling again
Feel all the old feeling again

The river flows out of me
Its current strong and free
Bluebodied rhythm carrying us through this seachange
The river flows out of you
Its music soft and true
Songs in our heads cry out in different keys
But the Two Hearted River is laughing one mystery

Blueriver streaming down around the bend like my thoughts do for you
Deep in the woods I've been ruminating
That one heart can't beat like two
Come melting spring every birdwing beating
For the birth of something new
I'm hearing them sing for the coming day

White hot summer burning through the starry night
Like my fire does through you
Below the moon swims our sweet delight
I just can't believe it's true
Like children dreaming beneath black skies
We'll romance the night to day and dance all our cares away
Dance all our cares away

The river flows out of me
Its current strong and free
Bluebodied rhythm carrying us through this seachange
The river flows out of you
Its music soft and true
Songs in our heads cry out in different keys
But the Two-Hearted River is laughing
The Two-Hearted River is laughing
The Two-Hearted River is laughing one mystery
ONE MYSTERY


By The Boxer on Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 10:08 pm:

I am just a poor boy.
Though my story's seldom told,
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocketful of mumbles,
Such are ppromises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest….


By Forest Grump Sawyer on Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 07:48 pm:

So what exactly is The Nature Conservancy's Trade Leads Program about and why should anyone be interested in it?


By Coppernickus on Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 07:14 pm:

Participatory democracy, in times of high taxes or big-moneyed ambition,
can serve as a "people's governor": that thermostatic feedback device capa-
ble of reducing high levees and abuse of power by the State or the excessive consumption of natural resources encouraged by those multinational corpor-
ations who, through mass media advertising, irresponsibly stoke the flames of our global furnace's economic appetite for ever-higher profits benefitting only the interests of financial elites.



from Conversations with the Wild Crab
(A Primer on Participatory Democracy)
by Emerson Fairchild Goldwater

By Cupid on Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 12:46 pm:

Valentine hearts on Eros and Mars? Get the real story on those mysterious space photos(some of which have become a kind of paranoia-inducing internet industry built upon pseudo-science and mysticism for some), from this Space.com newspiece:

Valentine Hearts and Faces

By Wee Willie Wonka--New ELF Spokesperson on Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 11:39 am:

Let it be known that our chapter of ELF opposes the use of arson, vandalism, violence, breaking and entering and "radical anti-human ideology" in fighting the good fight against excessive sprawl.

February 14, 2001 New York Times
Youths Held in Eco-Terror Are Reported Nearing Plea
By AL BAKER
GARDEN CITY, N.Y., Feb. 13 — Lawyers for two young suspects in an underground campaign of arson and destruction in Suffolk County are in negotiations with federal prosecutors that could result in guilty pleas in Federal District Court as soon as Wednesday, a law enforcement official said today.
The two suspects, whom the authorities would not identify, are not the first to enter into plea negotiations with the federal authorities investigating more than two dozen recent acts of violence for which a radical environmental group, the Earth Liberation Front, has claimed responsibility.
On Friday, Jared McIntyre, the 17- year-old son of a New York City police sergeant, pleaded guilty to arson at a hearing in United States District Court in Central Islip. The hearing was closed to the public and its records were sealed.
In the proceedings, Mr. McIntyre agreed to be charged as an adult rather than as a juvenile; under the deal, a federal judge can consider a more lenient sentence than Mr. McIntyre would otherwise have faced.
The other suspects are expected to do the same.
Mr. McIntyre is believed to be the first in the nation to cooperate with the federal authorities investigating attacks claimed by the Earth Liberation Front, said Craig S. Rosebraugh of Portland, Ore., who acts as spokesman for the group. It opposes urban sprawl, deforestation and other acts it deems harmful to the environment.
But it remains unclear whether the suspects are members of some organized national effort or a band of local people sympathetic to the national group but unconnected to any central leadership.
Thomas F. Liotti, the lawyer for one of the suspects, would not comment on the negotiations today. "This is very unfortunate," he said. "I think it is being treated much more seriously by the government than it should be. I think these kids had the best of intentions. In no way are they involved in any organized, national ELF effort."
On Jan. 15, agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms searched Mr. McIntyre's house on Bristol Downs Street, in Coram. They left with a computer, cans of red spray paint and other materials similar to those used in Suffolk County attacks. Those attacks were carried out over the last several months against luxury homes and condominiums being built, construction vehicles, a cornfield used in genetic research and a McDonald's corporate office.
On Jan. 19, federal agents raided the home of a 16-year-old suspect on Helme Avenue, in the hamlet of Miller Place.
Mr. McIntyre, a senior at Longwood High School in Middle Island, was working at the Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, just east of Coram, researching the effects of increased carbon dioxide on plants as part of a project dealing with global warming, Mona Rowe, a spokeswoman for the lab, has said.
The mother of the 16-year-old said today that her son was a smart boy. She said the federal government was being very strict in dealing with him, but she would not elaborate.
"We really weren't given much of a choice," she said when asked why her son was being charged as an adult. "There was no choice of being charged as a juvenile. That was not an option."
Richard J. Kaufman, a lawyer for Mr. McIntyre, declined to comment today.
When asked about two of the suspects, Elaine D. Close of Portland, a spokeswoman for the Earth Liberation Front, said she knew the F.B.I. had raided both of their houses last month. But she could not say much else about the teenagers.
"We don't know if they are members of ELF, but anyone could be," Ms. Close said. "But they have not identified themselves as such and we have not had contact with them here in the press office. None of us know any of them."
Mr. Rosebraugh said the group does not disclose information about its members. The group is deliberately decentralized, he said, to prevent the authorities from identifying its leaders. He said the ELF press office, in Portland, acts merely as a conduit between the news media and members, who communicate with it anonymously and in ways Mr. Rosebraugh would not identify.
Mr. Rosebraugh said the group had been active around the United States since 1997, and had claimed responsibility for attacks causing more than $37 million in damage.
Mr. Rosebraugh said a plea would not dismantle the group, which he supports. "The group operates under an ideology, not a physical membership," he said. "So it is really impossible to dissolve that ideology."


By Call for bids on Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 06:14 am:

Well, they had to do it, eh? They had to go and find another dust-covered Superfund site! What, I say, what now! And in space no less!


By Pierre Mesnard's Motel Au Natural on Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 02:48 am:

OK...so you've followed the Burma Shave signs from Miami Beach to Copper Harbor along Highway 41, where does that leave you?
How do wilderness rustic cabins or primitive tent sites sound to you who are fleeing your encroaching urban sprawl?
Satellite access for the digital wireless, pre-excavated latrines and stacks of firewood for the rurally-challenged, plenty of local bars with live music to make up for what you may be missing...

Could anyone ask for more?


By Old Mother Hubbard on Monday, February 12, 2001 - 11:32 pm:

Monday, 12 February, 2001, 22:13 GMT
Probing the Secrets of Eros
By BBC News Online science editor Dr David Whitehouse

For only the fourth time in space flight history, a probe has touched another body in space. Asteroid Eros joins the Moon, Venus and Mars as celestial objects touched by a man-made craft. Although probes have flown through the tails of comets and even descended into the atmosphere of Jupiter, the Near Shoemaker spacecraft has revealed to us what is perhaps the strangest world ever encountered.

1,nearshoemaker.jpg


Probing the Secrets of Eros

By William Cooper of the Veritas News Service on Monday, February 12, 2001 - 10:31 pm:

Help Stop John Turner's Appointment
to the Department of Interior!


John Turner is a member of the Conservation Fund and a long time Rockefeller Republican. That he is a descendant of an established Wyoming ranching family is not as important as how he has impacted the West and its natural resource users and producers. The record does not speak well for him. He is also a friend of Dick Cheney's which may be part of the reason for what looks like his potential appointment to the Interior Dept. Gale Norton may be just a figure head as Turner will, in actuality, run things.

Never never lose sight of the fact that these guys are after all an exclusive club of rich folks who care as much about their own interests as anything.

Sorry folks, but not even Cheney is perfect. If Turner gets the Interior job, his record indicates he will foil anything Gale Norton will try to do in regards to property rights or balancing environmental concerns with the livelihoods of Westerners and private property rights.

The Conservation Fund is a land grab in the sense that it takes much land out of private hands and places it in the control of elites. To someone who does not care about these issues --- think of Prince John and the Sheriff of Nottingham, think of the "king's forests" and what happened in England to the commons held in "trust" by the barons and nobles, think of WIlliam Wallace and Rob Roy, think of the Magna Carta and the reasons that it was presented to the King and the demands therein. All these incidents of elite or aristocratic control of land or private property do matter TO EVERYONE.

We are turning the West into a feudal barony for the elites to play in or to exploit. It has got to stop. May I suggest strongly worded telegrams or letters or calls to Bush and to your reps who have influence on Bush. Let us NOT drop the ball now -- these guys -- Republicans and Democrats have got to know WE ARE WATCHING THEM!!!!!!.


By Eagle Eye in the Sky on Monday, February 12, 2001 - 09:18 pm:

Signals from the Eros probe indicate a life form, or forms. Transmissions received lead scientists to believe Elvis is now on Eros kicking back with a alien native. Both are watching Earth through an advanced telescope. Scientists are puzzled how Elvis was able to communicate with the alien life form. Details later.


By Isaac Karjela on Monday, February 12, 2001 - 10:16 am:

Forrest,
I believe I posted one link that you apparently have read since you refer to Poletown. I believe your fascination lies in other directions.

If you wonder if I believe property rights should be a concern of every American, I do. If you wonder if I believe every American has the right to free speech, I do.

Are you saying that this Mr. Walley has extreme views? I believe he shares the same views I've expressed above. Looking further into his history, I've discovered that his grandfather's farm was condemned by the government during the early TVA era so that a damm could be built.

If you wonder if I believe it is a right of every red-blooded American to question the government's taking of property, I do.

You claim that you were taught to believe only so much that is written. Curious it is what you do believe. I'm certain you have justified your belief with a thorough investigation?
Isaac


By Forrest Sawyer on Monday, February 12, 2001 - 08:16 am:

Isaac,

You've repeatedly posted links on this site to articles written and published by people who hold and advocate very extreme positions. These people exult in the shooting of police officers. They believe in and engage in acts of violence, including murder and rape, to further the aims of the multi-billion dollar corporations that support them.

You may think it ridiculous for someone to ask whether or not you hold the same views as the people who write the stuff you peddle. I think it is a reasonable question.

Could it be that if you told the truth about this, no one would be interested in what you have to say?

Forrest Sawyer


By Isaac Karjela on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 09:42 pm:

Forrest,
Rather than answer you absurd question, I will tell you this. I live in the Copper Country. I was born, raised, and will probably die in the Copper Country. What, pray tell, do you think the answer to your question is and why should I even bother to address you ridiculous post?

If my previous words, and the ones are not enough for you, then I suggest you visit sometime, come to this area, and see if you can find someone that fits the description that you are trying to label people who disagree with you.

Isaac Karjela


By Forrest Sawyer on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 09:16 pm:

Isaac,

I think the article on Eminent Domain was well done. Libertarians and many real conservatives express their positions well and don't need to resort to unethical tactics to make their points. I certainly disagree with the use of Eminent Domain in the Poletown situation, for example, as described in the article.

Now I'm still interested in whether or not you hold views similar to Zane Walley and his ilk that shooting State Troopers is a heroic activity and that violence against private citizens is acceptable if it advances the aims of large corporations. You keep ducking that question, however slickly.

Forrest Sawyer


By Ida Marie Kangas on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 08:55 pm:

I'm laughing so if someone wants to laugh at an old lady who neglected to put her glasses on, laugh with me.

It's Kangas.

And Menard Location is on the right, heading out of Hancock toward Calumet--look for the three houses purchased through Sears, Roebuck, on the right, just before the monument company.

God's Peace.


By Ida Marie Kanga on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 08:50 pm:

Lisa,
I don't understand why you would use the word "extremists" to describe the Paragon website.
If you looked further, you would find a link to the site I've provided a link to below.
Extremists? Hardly.

What is happening in the USA?


By Lisa Carr on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 07:15 pm:

Alex,

I didn't mean to offend by the use of the term "wackos," but I guess I did. Sorry. L

I saw a 60 Minutes program about the Earth Liberation Front fire-bombings recently, and now I've come across these Paragon people and other such groups who behave similarly, but on the other side of the issue. Maybe "extremists" would be a less offensive word.

Maybe it's not the most logical thing, but I believe that you can tell a lot about an organization by the enemies it makes. If both extremes oppose TNC, the TNC probably fits in the main stream somewhere. And so do I.

But there's no reason for name-calling, I agree.

Forrest,

I may not have as much time on my hands as you suppose. I didn't really have to search for the links I posted before. Just Googled them right out.

Lisa


By Nature Boy on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 03:43 pm:

Just curious, Isaac. Where in the name of God is Menard Location? I never heard of that one. That's not out by the old French-Candian Jesuit Compound now is it?
Merci!


By Isaac Einar Karjela on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 03:25 pm:

Forrest,
Still waiting.....what is your take on the eminent domain material I posted?

You ask if I share the view of another? I maintain my own views. I'm independent, or believe I am, and I will decide for myself what to believe about a matter, any matter or issue, based on the information at hand.

You, on the other hand, continue to minimize what the actions of Don Morales, an attorney, or is your position now that all attorneys are some convoluted marinade of the opinions of others?

You continue to try to humanize The Nature Conservancy. With your last post, you refer to Tina Hall of The Nature Conservancy. I only know Tina Hall as she has been portrayed in the media, much as I only know Richard Nixon as he was portrayed in the media.

You continue to question the right of any citizen of the United States to question who The Nature Conservancy is, what they are doing, how they are doing it, what their long range goals are, et cetera. You would have us believe that because Tina Hall seems like a fine, upstanding citizen, (and I'm not questioning her citizenship, her ethics, or her or anything else about her) that The Nature Conservancy is a fine, upstanding group dedicated to the proposition that the property rights of an individual should come before the rights of the state.

Using that logic, if the United States Army, that does everything but speak directly with the Lord Himself, then we should not question their presence in Bosnia. Using the logic you use, that because Tina Hall attends our meetings, The Nature Conservancy must be okay, The Nature Conservancy must be trying to, in your words, to keep our heritage from being completely destroyed.

I question whether or not our heritage is being destroyed, and if it is being destroyed, who is really destroying it?

You have chosen to hide your argument against free speech in this manner. You have chosen to attack the messenger rather than the message. You have tried to point out that an American citizen should be questioned rather than the message itself.
Your attack is against the individual, not the substance of the matter, not the concern of the individual. Your attack is not the argument of the individual, but the individual himself. Clearly, you represent not what is good in America, but what this country has become, divided into special interest groups who will stoop to any means to justify their ends. At the same time, you sir, do The Nature Conservancy no good by your words. One has to wonder just what exactly your real agenda is.

Isaac Einar Karjela
Menard Location

P.S. Eminent domain, Forrest, and the link I posted? Whose interests are you looking after? Clearly, since you try to belittle and cloud that issue, your concern is not for property rights. Conservation Easements?


By Alex Joyal on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 02:16 pm:

Lisa,
Referring to you post of Saturday, 02-10-01, 6:47 pm, where you said:


Quote:

Hi everyone. I didn't know beans about The Nature Conservancy before, but you guys got me looking! If they're being attacked by wackos among the environmentalists and the anti-environmentalists, they must be okay.




Using that kind of logic, one would have to say that Hitler was, in your words, "okay,"
Because not only were the anti-Nazis against Hitler, but many of the Nazis were against him as well, going as far as trying to assassinate him, though unfortunately for the world, they were unsuccessful.

So, no, simply because some "wackos", again, your words are against TNC, and not "the," rather, some "anti-environmentalists" are "against" TNC.

I think the issue is here is whether or not any citizen of the United States of America will be permitted to question who TNC is, what TNC is about, whether or not their policies are "good" or "bad". Name calling simply clouds the issue and I do not think that is a benefit to anyone save those who don't want the public to question The Nature Conservancy.

At any rate, thank you so much for your input and if we disagree with a person's position on a matter, it would behoove your case to point out why rather than to resort to name calling.

By Forrest Sawyer on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 01:27 pm:

Isaac,

I asked whether you share the bizarre views of those who write the trash you've linked to on this site. It's interesting and informative that you've chosen to duck those questions twice.

I notice that you've had nothing to say about the actions of those outsider meddlers in the State of Ohio, as per the links from Lisa Carr. Why is that? Could it be that you think that your radical fringe groups should not be accountable for their actions?

Don't you think it is important to take into account the character of, the actions by, and the funding behind the writers you select to speak for you? Do you really think that we should give credence to the unchallenged screeds of violent, venom-spewing wierdos from New Mexico? What do they have to do with our lives here?

TNC, on the other hand, does have something to do with our lives here. We benefit now, and our descendents will benefit in the future, from what they are doing at Horseshoe Harbor:
Horseshoe Harbor Preserve. Tina Hall attends public meetings where citizens of all persuasions can freely discuss the future of the Keweenaw. She works with companies, governmental units, and civic groups to find practical ways to keep our heritage from being completely destroyed. Unlike the people you represent, and unlike the fire-bombers of the ELF (on the other extreme), Tina Hall and her organization contribute in a positive way to our community.

As for your questions about Texas, I have no credible information to go on. I hope Lisa or someone else with the time to devote to it can point us to the truth of the matter. I'm certain that we don't have the truth from the likes of Zane Walley.

Forrest Sawyer


By Bertha Maki on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 12:38 pm:

Perhaps the reason Forrest asks questions about shooting and raping people is because that type of crime helps to minimize TNC's actions in Texas, the actions that resulted in them losing their tax-exempt status?

Re: Ida Matson's post of
Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 12:44 am.

The issue there, Forrest, is not who brought the issue to the public's attention. Rather, the issue is the substance of the matter:


Quote:

The Former Attorney of Texas, Dan Morales found out how TNC operates. After hearing evidence detailing TNC financial activities, he stripped them of their Texas tax-exempt status on February 28, 1997.



By Isaac Karjela on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 12:32 pm:

Forrest,
I'm curious what questions you refer to? I notice you asked some rather bizarre questions about shooting and raping people. I don't know what your point is with those type of questions as they should need no reply as anyone in their right mind, anyone who knows the difference between right and wrong knows the answer to those questions.

Then you asked whether of not someone was being paid by a corporation. Which corporation do you refer to? i.e. The Nature Conservancy? International Paper?

That said, I'm almost afraid to ask if you have read the article I posted a link to, the one concerning eminent domain? Your thoughts on that?

Also, your thoughts on conservation easements? good? bad? indifferent?


By Forrest Sawyer on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 09:54 am:

Concerned,

I notice that you refused to answer my sincere questions. Why is that?

Forrest Sawyer


By Concerned on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 09:36 am:

Forrest,
I noticed you have nothing to say about what happened in Texas. Why is that?

It's a pity that when a concerned citizen tries to question TNC, you use the flaming rhetoric you do to oppose that citizen sharing information that should be shared, whatever the reason.

I believe there are people concerned about what TNC is about. That you are trying to portray concerned citizens as dupes and kooks does not serve your purpose well. Try utilizing a bit more tact and diplomacy as that would catch more flies than the crap you're peddling.
The natural effort of every individual to better his own condition is so powerful that it is alone, and without any assistance, not only capable of carrying on the society to wealth and prosperity, but of surmounting a hundred impertinent obstructions with which the folly of human laws too often incumbers its operations.
Adam Smith


By PAUL EAGLE RIVER on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 09:33 am:

On my way to the road through a seven foot drift I had a passing thought. I was thinking I wonder if Mt. Bohemia has any snow? Then I was thinking if the money spent to fight the ecomony in this area was put to a better use the tax payers in Lac La Belle wouldn't be looking at that mandate to get a system that takes care of all poops in the area!!!The thing that really gets me is that all this wasted money of mine is really spent GONE!!! I wonder if the area businesses would be doing better if my tax dollars were spent to help them instead of trying to control their futures with a personnal rightous path. I want to know just how much money was wasted to stop progress. I want a new shovel too, The last time I went to get the mail it took me a month to get back. I want to know where the snogo driver is? I think twenty feet of snow is enough!!! I need more firewood, and I am sick and tired of no sunshine. There are three months of winter left here. The best two are March and April, This spring should bring the best skiers in the midwest. I want to hear from the people who said we will need larger roads to meet demand, what a joke!! We are in a place that you must want to visit. We are not visited by people who just happen to pass by. This comming year we have to promote all business and look to the ecomonic future of this Winter Wonder Land. We have to promote the SPRING and all its beauty, we have to move forward. I feel better now, Lets get it on!!!


By Forrest Sawyer on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 09:23 am:

Ida Matson,

I notice that the link that you posted was for an article by Zane Walley. Isn't he one of those sleazy nut cases mentioned in the article pointed out by Lisa Carr?

Do you believe, as he does, that shooting State Troopers is a heroic deed? Or that murder and rape are useful tools in the fight to make the world safe for multi-billion dollar corporations?

Are you, too, getting paid by those corporations, or are you just an ignorant dupe?

Forrest Sawyer


By Forrest Sawyer on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 09:14 am:

Lisa Carr,

Thanks for posting the link entitled
Radical fringe groups attack the Nature Conservancy in Ohio. The other link you posted doesn't go directly to the article you mentioned though. You need to click on "News" to get a list of the articles, and then click on the article to get there: Ohioans overwhelmingly support Darby Refuge. But thanks for that link too.

It seems clear that a bunch of thugs from New Mexico and Arizona tried to interfere with honest folks in Ohio trying to preserve a bit of their heritage. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me. They look like kooks, they write like kooks, and they act like kooks. I'm guessing that they're kooks. The kooks didn't get away with it in Ohio, and I don't believe they will get away with it here either.

Forrest Sawyer


By Ida Matson on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 12:44 am:

The Former Attorney of Texas, Dan Morales found out how TNC operates. After hearing evidence detailing TNC financial activities, he stripped them of their Texas tax-exempt status on February 28, 1997.


The Century 21 Of The Environmental Movement


By but I live in a dream, that he can't live on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 11:48 pm:

Well, Forrest, if dat be your style, what can I really say?


By Nature Boy on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 08:40 pm:

uh...and thanks to "Lisa" as well for her alivewired.com link. My short term memory just aint what it used to be.


By Nature Boy on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 08:30 pm:

Thanks to Laurie for her alivewired.com link. I found that article quite informative. It's always helpful to know what interests are funding some of these ideological movements because it helps to explain some of the motivation behind their rhetoric. As for how I feel about the hired guns who write some of the more propagandistic material masquerading as journalism, well...the Keweenaw Issues rule for Anonymous Rants is to "keep it clean" so I'd best just stop right here.
I also thought that "smart growth pitfalls" article had some wisdom in it as well. Finding the right balance between environmental concerns and property rights can be pretty tricky sometimes.


By Forrest Sawyer on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 07:17 pm:

A pine tree lining the winding road,


Quote:

Obviously, Forrest has dismissed the words based on style, not substance.


Not true at all. The content is false, as is so much of the garbage on the Internet, and that's what I take issue with. The style is just evidence that the content is false.

The writers of that trash either (a) have no intention of appealing to anyone other than the most gullible or to those who already share the same nutty opinions or (b) are too wacky to communicate effectively, in which case they are too wacky to get their facts straight anyway.

Of course I'm stereotyping, so what? We all need some ways of discarding nonsense without wasting time with it. Otherwise we'd be snowed under with misinformation. When you're as old as I, you too will be uninterested in wasting the short time you have left on foolishness.

Does that mean that I might discard something that goes against all my experience and really is true. Yep. But I'll settle for being right 99.44% of the time and let the rest go.

Forrest Sawyer

By Lisa Carr on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 06:47 pm:

Hi everyone. I didn't know beans about The Nature Conservancy before, but you guys got me looking! If they're being attacked by wackos among the environmentalists and the anti-environmentalists, they must be okay.

Radicals from both fringes attack The Nature Conservancy


Ranchers and The Nature Conservancy team up in Montana

Lisa


By Isaac Karjela on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 06:24 pm:

Eminent domain has
become yet another tool where special interest groups seek what they
would otherwise not be able to obtain voluntarily in the market. The
right of private property has in fact been eroded over the years as a
result of this judicial development to the extreme that we hold our
property at the pleasure of the government. If the government decides
that someone else ought to have our land, whether it is for aesthetic
reasons, or for job creation or for any other reason that conceivably
benefits society, then we will almost inevitably have to succumb to the
state's desire for our land.


Eminent Domain and The Rule of Law


By Lisa Carr on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 05:57 pm:

Interesting topic, everyone! Here are a couple more links:

Ohioans overwhelmingly support Darby Refuge

Radical fringe groups oppose The Nature Conservancy in Ohio

Lisa


By Lot 13, Block 4 on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 04:17 pm:

3 LINKS:

Environmental Policy Director Warns Of 'Smart Growth' Pitfalls
for the public peace, health and safety
the Interior Department also ignored thousands of comments


By Cooter T. Atwater on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 04:14 pm:

The Keweenaw Today article about land use planning had this from an observer:


Quote:

The big historical difference between this process and the process that operated in the past was that (a certain) priority was implicit. Corporate interests from outside made decisions with the complicity of some government people, and private citizens didn’t have a role, and we hopefully now do.




Oh?

At another meeting, when an expert on land use planning said the community has to be involved, another observer said this:

Quote:

many decisions in the area are made by the large landowner (International Paper/Lake Superior Land Company). The observer asked how community planning can take place, how community values can become a priority for a large corporation.
What they decide to do, in many ways, shapes what happens in the entire community.




Oh?

The following is from the 1995, Keweenaw County Economic Adjustment Strategy. Chapter 9- Public Outreach, p. 78:

Quote:

Between June 7th and August 17th, 1995 public informational meetings were conducted in all five townships of Keweenaw County…participants included residents
And property owners in Keweenaw County




Also included an official from WUPPDR.
The beginning of the chapter:

Quote:

9.1 Purpose. These public informational meetings were held to garner public input for use in the preparation of an economic development strategy for Keweenaw County.




Meetings were held [summer season] in the five townships of Keweenaw County in 1995. Attendance for all the meetings was estimated to be between 110-120 people.
The purpose of the meetings was to discuss economic development…future possibilities, to provide concerns, ideas…to preparing a countywide economic development strategy. The process had come about as a result of the closing of the Calumet Air Force Station in 1988.

This Chapter 9 report is some 11-12 pages long. The last pages of the report have some interesting development recommendations. For example, Eagle Harbor Township had a strong recommendation to develop nordic skiing and a desire to preserve the residential character of Keweenaw. Grant Township was concerned about a communication system for the county. Allouez Township had a desire to see nursing home and adult foster care facilities. Houghton Township listed protecting the historical resources of the county as a high priority. Sherman Township suggested promoting tourism as an economic development strategy.

None of them mentioned a ski hill, with the possible exception of E.H. Township, although many if not all mentioned developing silent sports.
And of course Keweenaw Academy has since opened at the air base.

So clearly, private citizens did have a role. Was the previous strategy successful? The opening of Keweenaw Academy suggests these meetings played an important role--several townships expressed a strong desire to see the air base utilized, as it had been. I don't how much of a role LSLC/IP played in the re-use of the air base……

Conclusions? Certainly the residents, the citizens of Keweenaw County were involved, they had a role. Let's hope they continue on the path they have chosen. Based on what the media has reported, I'd say corporate interests are listening.

By Psalmist #68 on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 02:46 am:

Hey "The Gods Must Be Crazy I & II", hear this you Godless Communist Scum:

4. Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him
17. The chariots of Gods are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them
33. To him that rideth upon the heavens of heavens, which were of old; lo, he doth send out his voice, and that a mighty voice

kingdavid.jpg


HIKE!

By Hank on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 01:18 am:

SAINT JOHN.
The Ages come and go,
The Centuries pass as Years;
My hair is white as the snow,
My feet are weary and slow,
The earth is wet with my tears
The kingdoms crumble, and fall
Apart, like a ruined wall,
Or a bank that is undermined
By a river's ceaseless flow,
And leave no trace behind!
The world itself is old;
The portals of Time unfold
On hinges of iron, that grate
And groan with the rust and the weight,
Like the hinges of a gate
That hath fallen to decay;
But the evil doth not cease;
There is war instead of peace,
Instead of Love there is hate;
And still I must wander and wait,
Still I must watch and pray,
Not forgetting in whose sight,
A thousand years in their flight
Are as a single day.

The life of man is a gleam
Of light, that comes and goes
Like the course of the Holy Stream.
The cityless river, that flows
From fountains no one knows,
Through the Lake of Galilee,
Through forests and level lands,
Over rocks, and shallows, and sands
Of a wilderness wild and vast,
Till it findeth its rest at last
In the desolate Dead Sea!
But alas! alas for me
Not yet this rest shall be!

What, then! doth Charity fail?
Is Faith of no avail?
Is Hope blown out like a light
By a gust of wind in the night?
The clashing of creeds, and the strife
Of the many beliefs, that in vain
Perplex man's heart and brain,
Are naught but the rustle of leaves,
When the breath of God upheaves
The boughs of the Tree of Life,
And they subside again!
And I remember still
The words, and from whom they came,
Not he that repeateth the name,
But he that doeth the will!

And Him evermore I behold
Walking in Galilee,
Through the cornfield's waving gold,
In hamlet, in wood, and in wold,
By the shores of the Beautiful Sea.
He toucheth the sightless eyes;
Before Him the demons flee;
To the dead He sayeth: Arise!
To the living: Follow me!
And that voice still soundeth on
From the centuries that are gone,
To the centuries that shall be!
From all vain pomps and shows,
From the pride that overflows,
And the false conceits of men;
From all the narrow rules
And subtleties of Schools,
And the craft of tongue and pen;
Bewildered in its search,
Bewildered with the cry,
Lo, here! lo, there, the Church!
Poor, sad Humanity
Through all the dust and heat
Turns back with bleeding feet,
By the weary road it came,
Unto the simple thought
By the great Master taught,
And that remaineth still:
Not he that repeateth the name,
But he that doeth the will!

Christus: A Mystery
HWL

By On Whizz-Consin! on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 12:57 am:

Hey Big Red, ain't Blue Cheese awesome?

Blue Cheese Heaven

By Pressed Rat and Warthog on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 12:05 am:

Peter Piper:
You are "useful paranoia" personified, Mr. P!
God Bless You, Sir!


By Peter Piper on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 11:30 pm:

Eagle Eye,
I don't know this Pine Tree character, but I have this to say: Be scared, be very scared! Remember when Chris Grobbel spoke at the school:
Be wary. Be very wary of out-of-the-area planners. A planner from out of the area does not know the area like a planner from the area.

Yah, hey, suppose they gave a plan and nobody showed up, hah? Den I spose the area could get locked up like in da udder areas possibly then, hah, hey?


Oh, yah, da COmmon GRound WOrkshops--well, as you might recall from ROger WIckstrom's editorial over da summer, the media was not invited to that meeting. And parently da meeting was invite only...


Otay, on da one hand we gots the "Common Ground" that wants to focus the plan into one funnel, or one group more like it....

And on one udder hand we got some dat say each township should address their particular concerns...

Now...you suppose da meeting not viewed by the media over da summer was interesting?

Or is one big group easier to control and lead to a common goal?


By Eagle Eye Wide Open on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 09:06 pm:

Pine Tree(if that's your "real" nom de plume):
May I suggest you read the recently posted article at Keweenaw Today on the Common Ground initiative and explain to our reader(s) how WUPPDR or Nature Conservancy or anyone else might hijack the land use planning process for Keweenaw County.
Who isn't being represented in this process? Tell me that!
It seems to me that all have been welcomed to contribute their energy and ideas.
Those who don't participate will only have themselves to blame.


By A pine tree lining the winding road on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 08:30 pm:

The Old Man, Forrest spoke thus: My experiences teach me that honest people trying to make a valid point never use this style.

What world have you been living on?

In a poll, 43.7% said: Well, that reading is better than no reading at all. And perhaps the point, if you will, has been made and the evidence is the reading, itself.

#409: And that is supposed to suggest that there is a right way and a wrong way to make a point. It's too bad that the purveyors of this stuff are trying to take over this site now.
Obviously, Forrest has dismissed the words based on style, not substance.
Give me Liberty! Or give me death! Well, here we have a style that is designed to inflame the heart and kindle the passions of those who heard the words. Where would we be if the people had dissed the words due to style.

An article on The Nature Conservancy, entitled "Quietly Conserving Nature",
by Edward O Wilson, (National Geographic Magazine, December 1988), paints
another view of how conservation easements will be used to "conserve
nature".


And Dear Eagle Eye Wide Open,
You spoke thus:
What I have a problem with is the selling of paranoia rather than a documenting of facts. In the quote you share the word "boast" alone is an example of their subtle manipulation. This isn't journalism it is brainwashing.

Your reference posted again here:


Quote:

What is more, the Conservancy boasts that their efforts in acquiring such choice and increasingly rare properties are tied closely with the United Nations "Man and the Biosphere Program" which is intended to guarantee UN supervision over the most desirable natural lands in 100 countries throughout the world. Better forget U.S. sovereignty, too.




[Completely unrelated, but how many regional Nature Conservancy offices have been closed in the last ten years?] And where does it end, or is there an end in sight and what exactly would that end be?
When the time comes, and I suggest it has been here for awhile, that a free people no longer debate the merits or the qualifications of everyone and everything, then.....

If you believe I have a "bee in my bonnet" regarding the merits of TNC, then my posts have obviously failed in your case.

There are other opinions on the net about TNC, and I don't think a quick dismissal of any that have negative connotations is good. There are honest people who believe TNC is in reality another arm of the federal government, and accountable to whom?

There was an article on Keweenaw Today that had at least one interesting quote from Diana Jones on WUPPDR...as follows: Said Lac La Belle resident Diana Jones, "They (WUPPDR) came under
the guise of providing guidance and now (because of this grant) are
in a position to be the planners … I think the county should
consider receiving bids for similar services from independent
sources."

Kim Stoker, of WUPPDR: "it’s really important that
this process is handled … very carefully, very slowly, and that you
have all the public meetings that you need … so that this room (in
the Courthouse) does not get packed like it did (with) Mt. Bohemia."

I'll leave it for you to decide if WUPPDR is operating under a "guise" or not.

And then there's:

Quote:

On Sept. 26, 1973, WUPPDR made its first proposal for a Plan to guide future zoning and development in Keweenaw County. But eight years later the county withdrew from WUPPDR and was still without a Comprehensive Land Use Plan. Over the years WUPPDR has tried to help the county out, but the county has not followed through.




That said, and with that in mind, have you dismissed the words about the Darby Refuge where it was said that TNC and the Feds had been collaborating, in secret, without controversy or conflict....until, presto, a Senator who wants to have a legacy goes against his constituents' wishes....THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR HAD THE MEETINGS TAKEN PLACE IN THE OPEN...rather than after the fact...and so we get "purveyors", people who feel helpless and unheard and so they make noises like the anti-hill crowd made.....

And ultimately there are the people, who have to eat the pie, as has been said before.
But if the people are lulled into a sense that all is well…all is well…well I suppose then there will be more upset crowds in school auditoriums….and finally, assuming people will eventually go to the township planning, land use meetings, perhaps the links provided will help them…………..

By Phineas J Whoppie on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 05:42 pm:

But you must know that we are all in agreement, whatever we say.
----Turba Philosophorum

Seems to me… you don't want to know about it….seems to me… you'd rather turn your pretty head and turn away…….

And for an encore, TNC will now begin to sing, a cappella, "My Country 'Tis of Thee," all…ah, all? .5 million members…but first, let us introduce them to you….but on second thought, not that your first thought was wrong…but then…do you really have room in the kitchen for allof them and can you know what all of them are doing while you baste the chicken? And would you open the door if they were all wet and claimed to have just swum from a tanker passing by?

Isn't it nice that TNC has a kind of state-by-state gov'naw that may make land purchases without going through some sort of chain-of-command? But that suggests there be some sort of list, in place….anonymity, then…quietly, behind the scenes, without controversy or conflict,

Cowards die many times before their deaths.
----Shakespeare, Julius Caesar, II, 2
And thus did the knights of the Temple vanish with their secret, in whose shadow breathed a lofty yearning for the earthly city. But the Abstract to which their efforts aspired lived on, unattainable, in unknown regions…and its inspiration, more than once in the course of time, has filled those spirits capable of receiving it.
----Victor Emile Michelet, Le secret de la Chevalerie, 1930, p. 2

I don't know…but if we could at least practice a land-saving, a use plan, you know, like a fire drill, a simulated national disaster, then when the real thing happens…..or if it will be trial and error, can't we look everywhere, question everything, or do we have to follow the radio format, three songs, commercial, 10 minutes of I Love Lucy followed by you expect more from Standard, and you get it…or do you think, dear reader, that we are to accept and believe everything that is said by TNC is the true, infallible Word?

For example: Has anyone been checking to see if they own an XFL football team, or do we simply accept everything they say. Here's one truth: TNC is an international corporation. I've lived long enough, old man, to know that you don't handle the amounts of money they have been handling without stepping on a few toes.

And would conservation, then, Tom Cat, be a good thing if the gov'ment owned all of the land? And do they pay taxes. And how many times do PILT fall short of need?

TNC conserves, they're Nature's Realtor, they say so, so they must be right?


By Forrest Sawyer on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 05:04 pm:

Jacobo and Company,


Quote:

What do you object to, Forest, the information that is being shared, the content of the message, or the character of the message?



My dear father taught me not to believe everything I read, and not everything written is information. Many things on the Internet fall into a general class that includes lies, distortions, misinformation, pornography, and other garbage. It's too bad that the purveyors of this stuff are trying to take over this site now.

How do I know this stuff is garbage? Because I'm an old man and I've seen this kind of thing over and over. Even been sucked in a couple of times, before I learned. A big clue is the style of writing; anyone can see that the writer's hope is to alarm and inflame gullible readers rather than to inform the public. My experiences teach me that honest people trying to make a valid point never use this style.

Yes, I'd like to see Tina Hall or someone else put the lie to this stuff, now that the links have been put up here. But you have to know that there are so many nuts and wierdos putting out junk on the Internet that a person could spend all day, every day answering it, and never get anything else accomplished.

I agree with you that animated discourse is good. I'd like to see some informed discourse (both sides) on these topics. But I suspect that those in the know won't waste time responding to what every responsible adult can (or should) see is irresponsible crap.

Forrest Sawyer

By Tom Cat on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 03:42 pm:

The word conservancy comes from the word conserve. meaning to keep from being Damaged, Lost or Wasted.

Is this a bad thing? I think not.


By Mr. Winky on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 03:10 pm:

Forest Sawyer,
You responsible cad, you, posting here in this section of opinion:

Sound like fiction? It's true. This tragic example of government waste and abuse was documented in a PBS Documentary by Jessica Savage called "For the Good of All."


By Jacobo, Belbo, and Gundrun on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 02:47 pm:

He who attempts to penetrate into the Rose Garden of the Philosophers without the key resembles a man who would walk without feet.
----Michael Maier, Atalanta Fugiens, Oppenheim De Bry, 1618,
emblem XXVII
Simply because they change and hide their names, do not give their right age, and by their own admission go about without allowing themselves to be recognized, there is no logic that can deny that they must necessarily exist.
----Heinrich Neuhaus, 1623

600-700 homes had been destroyed and five communities decimated. Eco-terrorism? Or For the Good of All? And by whom this time?


The planned Great Wass National Landmark planning report is found to have been written for the Park Service by the Nature Conservancy.
So TNC is a part of the federal government? And accountable to whom? And did they determine the tax rate for this area, as well? Well, at any rate, I'm sure the local property tax rate was lowered….for the federal government…do they pay local property taxess?


What do you object to, Forest, the information that is being shared, the content of the message, or the character of the message?
P.S. Welcome aboard,
The animated discourse of a free people is something to cherish.


By E.E.W.O. on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 01:32 pm:

ps:
I'd also like to see some documentation of the "development" the Nature Conservancy is doing on the east coast barrier islands. Is it a more nature-friendly version than would have been done by commercial developers? Are "regular" people allowed access to these "conservancies" or is it a private paradise? If it has just become an island "preserve" for a few rich and privileged than I believe the Nature Conservancy will start losing support among the general public.


By Eagle Eye Wide Open on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 01:18 pm:

Non-Existent Knight:
I have no problem with a group like the American Policy Center monitoring a group like the Nature Conservancy. Independent oversight is a good thing. What I have a problem with is the selling of paranoia rather than a documenting of facts. In the quote you share the word "boast" alone is an example of their subtle manipulation. This isn't journalism it is brainwashing.
I don't subscribe to UN conspiracy theories either. Whatever "power" they hold is miniscule compared to America or the European Union(not to mention the Red Army). If people are growing paranoid about the UN gaining sovereignty its because "paranoia" sells. And a lot of hack journalists are making money from it to boot.


By Forrest Sawyer on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 01:16 pm:

Bill Hilly and Jerry Tee Walker,

We all know that anonymity is the last refuge of cowards. The Web gives you a place to spew your thick-tongued, drooling drivel without having to show your faces to honest people. If you really believed this junk, you'd post in Responsible Opinions.

Forrest Sawyer


By The Non-Existent Knight on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 08:29 am:

Eagle-Eye,
I've looked for an e-mail address for TNC's Keweenaw office at Pasty.com, but TNC is not advertising there.

Junk Journalism, or Nature's Realtor?


Quote:

What is more, the Conservancy boasts that their efforts in acquiring such choice and increasingly rare properties are tied closely with the United Nations "Man and the Biosphere Program" which is intended to guarantee UN supervision over the most desirable natural lands in 100 countries throughout the world. Better forget U.S. sovereignty, too.




Junk journalism? What about no media coverage? Would that be fair in your opinion?

[for example, how much did
you read about the United Nations Millenium Summit in New York City, which
was going on at the same time as the Democratic National Convention?]
By Eagle Eye Wide Open on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 08:23 pm:

Hey Jerry Tee:
After reading this American Policy Center's anecdotal hyperbole-riddled piece of junk journalism filled with all sorts of adolescent rhetorical demonizing, one can only wonder who's really been "brainwashed by the constant stream of propaganda".
Who writes their copy? The World Wrestling Federation?
One has to wonder what rich corporate seed money financed the American Policy Center and how much of their profits are made tax-exempt because of it. Corporate capitalism is not the same thing as free enterprise and they love blurring the boundaries on this concept to enrich the even richer. Ever since people settled this continent from both east and west, using means far more violent than legal purchase, who hasn't been a "land-grabber"?

If it is responsibly documented that the TNC has done something illegal or ethically wrong they will eventually pay for it.
Bad karma reaps its own dark reward of poetic justice.
Maybe if you emailed her, Tina Hall would be nice enough to offer you her opinion on this American Policy Center piece and help you separate the wheat from the chaff.


By Jerry Tee Walker on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 07:37 pm:

LAND GRABBING SECRETS OF THE NATURE CONSERVANCY

TNC American Policy Center Article
Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 10:51 PM

Never heard of The Nature Conservancy? Well, that's probably no accident. It keeps a low profile by design. When you run scams like it does, you don't want to be notorious.

So let's lift the rock off these slugs and shine a very bright spotlight on a few of their most outrageous games.

The Nature Conservancy is the richest, most powerful environmental colossus in the world. It claims 680,000 individual members and 405 corporate members operating out of eight regional offices and fifty chapter offices across the nation. The Nature Conservancy has assets of almost $1 Billion and has an annual operating budget of over $300 million and a staff of 1150 people.

THE SCAM - real estate. THE HOOK - "conservation through private action." According to the party line, The Nature Conservancy simply buys land with private money and sets up nature reserves, thereby helping the environment without infringing on anybody. What a wonderful, charitable idea. Ah, if only it were true.

THE VICTIMS - unsuspecting property owners (many times elderly). THE METHODS - hide behind phony corporations; serve as a shill for government agencies; work behind the scenes with more visible environmental groups to intimidate property owners into selling. THE GOAL - money and power.

The Nature Conservancy frequently uses phony front companies to get land from owners who wouldn't knowingly sell to an environmentalist group.

It used this tactic to purchase most of the islands off the coast of Virginia, containing 40,000 acres and sixty miles of coastline. In doing so The Nature Conservancy was able to stop all private development and control the use of the land, damaging the tax base, killing thousands of jobs, and severely curbing the locals from hunting, fishing, camping and joy riding on the islands.

But don't think the purpose was to preserve these beautiful, pristine islands for nature. The Nature Conservancy did bar others from developing the land - but not itself. Far from it. At a huge profit, the Conservancy developed up-scale homes for the rich.

But how is that bad? If they do it with private money what's wrong with it? Isn't that just free enterprise?

The problem is The Nature Conservancy is a non-profit organization with tax exempt status and they maintain that status because of their tightly protected image as benevolent conservationists. Moreover, property owners on the islands wanted to invest in development and thought they were selling their land to developers. They were aware of and frightened by the Nature Conservancy and would never have sold to the group. That's why the Conservancy hid behind a phony land company, grabbed power, foiled the development and made a huge profit on tax-exempt money. Today much of the coast of Virginia is off-limits to tourists and other development.

Other times, The Nature Conservancy acts as a shill to a government agency to acquire land cheaply and sell it to the government at a huge profit. Again, conservation is not the goal.

One of its favorite scams goes something like this. Your grandmother owns land close to a historic site or a wilderness area. The government wants the land to expand a park but grandmother won't sell.

One day a representative of the Nature Conservancy shows up, well dressed, smiling, but concerned. He tells your grandmother that he's just learned that the government intends to take her land after she passes away. She won't be able to sell it or give it to her children. However, he can offer a solution.

If Grandmother will sell her land to The Nature Conservancy he can assure her that the land will stay in private hands and not be taken by the government.

Well, a relieved grandmother is much happier and she agrees to sell. However, says the nice man from The Nature Conservancy, because the government has threatened to take the land, its value is now only about half its reported market value. That's all he'll be able to pay her. Well, thinks grandmother, half is better than nothing, so she sells.

The next day our friend from The Nature Conservancy makes a call to the Department of the Interior informing them that their plan has worked. The whole thing had been pre-arranged between them before anyone ever knocked on Grandmother's door. As arranged, The Nature Conservancy then sells the land to the Interior Department FOR FULL MARKET VALUE PLUS OVERHEAD, FINANCING AND HANDLING CHARGES.

Hundreds of complaints have been recorded concerning the practices of the Conservancy's land grabbing operation. One family in Indiana had to sue to get back their father's land that was signed over to The Nature Conservancy when he was very old and mentally incompetent to handle his affairs. Agents of the Conservancy had helped him in changing documents that left his entire estate to The Nature Conservancy. The family won back their property but only after being forced to spend a fortune in legal fees.

Unfortunately space allows only a minor look at the mammoth operation of The Nature Conservancy. Its power, wealth and control is almost beyond comprehension. Yet it is able to maintain an image of idealism and concern for the environment.

The truth is The Nature Conservancy is really little more than a massive, ruthless real estate machine using its tax exempt status and ties to the government to create wealth for itself.

So If ever you receive a knock on the door from a smiling representative of The Nature Conservancy, slam it in his face and rush to you neighbors to sound the alarm, or the saying "there goes the neighborhood" could take on a completely different meaning. $

We have been so brainwashed by the constant stream of propaganda that we think there is something immoral about cutting a tree.


By Eagle Eye Wide Open on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 05:58 pm:

On the elderly couple "terrorized" by Fish and Wildlife Service and CNN:
Who and where are the "misinformers"(real villains) on this?
Was there a follow-up CNN story telling how these "misinformers" violated a biblical Commandment?

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor

I doubt it. Or else it was tucked away in some far corner column of their media empire. News organizations are loathe to admit their mistakes.

If Oregon was the first state in America to develop land-use planning it wouldn't surprise me that they became the first to take them to excess as the democratically approved property rights referendum there seems to indicate.

There are laws against arson regardless of the reasons for which they are broken. Who's more "wrong", someone who burns down a building for insurance reasons, for environmental reasons or because they are a pyromaniac and just like to see stuff burn?


By Tom Cat on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 05:33 pm:

Where are all the responsible opinions?


By Hilly Billeebee on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 03:26 pm:

Elderly Couple Bankrupted by City Zoning Laws

Charter School Target of Local Zoning Regulators

check out the story where CNN is involved….And what is Ted Turner funding?


By Bill Hilly on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 03:07 pm:

Oregon's Land Use Laws Threatened


Eco-Terrorism Strikes Again


Yeah? Nature Boy?
It would be interesting to follow TNC's money trail..........


By Nature Boy on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 12:54 pm:

For better or worse, depending on your point of view, The Nature Conservancy is about to raise its national profile:

February 8, 2001
Advertising: Nature Conservancy to Acquaint Public With Goals
By BERNARD STAMLER
Founded in 1951, it has 1.1 million members and an annual budget of about $740 million. Its mission is to acquire and preserve ecologically fragile places around the world or to assist local groups in doing so, and millions of acres of land worldwide are under its protection, more than 12 million of them in the United States alone. (That's more than the combined area of Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Delaware.)

Nature Conservancy Ad Campaign Story

By Gazella arabica on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 02:46 am:

Fear not Palestinian peacemakers, the Lion of God is also a servant of Prospero. Don't let the militants brainwash you. Jerusalem is safe for all who believe in Abraham's God.

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By molon labe on Monday, February 5, 2001 - 10:13 pm:

with gusto this time


By one more time, with feeling! on Monday, February 5, 2001 - 09:59 pm:

well, those obviously didn't work.

How about:
www.jarbidgeshovelbrigade.org
www.nodarbyrefuge.org


By whose head is in the sand now on Monday, February 5, 2001 - 09:56 pm:

splish splash I was taking a bath, when over the radio came the following message,


Quote:

Smithson stated, "As far back as 1994 the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service was secretly 'studying' our area. We have documentation proving that a $25,000 grant was given to The Nature Conservancy (TNC) by The Columbus Foundation 'for Darby Bioreserve' but, even as recently as late 1997, no one in our area was aware of these actions. They accomplished their studies of our private lands in secrecy!"




who are the
stewards of the Darby?

And what would shovels have to do with it?
By Jarbidge Shovel Brigade on Monday, February 5, 2001 - 09:49 pm:

Money, influence, partnerships at work in Ohio to "save" land


By U.P. Tourist on Monday, February 5, 2001 - 06:57 pm:

I camped at Muskegon State Park while attending a wedding back in 1974. It was a beautiful low maintenance place to go swimming in Lake Michigan back then but what it looks like today(or after these big bucks improvements) may be something else entirely.


By From a trickle into the infor river on Monday, February 5, 2001 - 06:32 am:

land and water conservation fund at work in Michigan


By Geoff Outlaw--for the late late Funky's Karma Cafe, Alice, Arlo, Dylan and, of course, The Woodmeister on Sunday, February 4, 2001 - 02:26 am:

The vagabond who's rapping at your door
Is standing in the clothes that you once wore

Baby Blue
(1965)


"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant...(excepting Alice)"

By Kiss your deer, lately? on Saturday, February 3, 2001 - 07:36 pm:

And would zoning address deer feeding?


By Ibrahim Abraham and the Jesus Freaks--featuring Rabbi Maranville on alto shofar and Imam Cottontail on bass didgeroo on Saturday, February 3, 2001 - 07:31 pm:

Pastors of the Quaking Aspens and Almighty Pines:
We found this old Nick Adams post from last summer that jives with your current investigation:


By Nickadams on Thursday, July 27, 2000 - 01:26 am:
And you think The Keweenaw has zoning problems:

July 27, 2000 N.Y. TIMES
Religion and Its Landmarks
Under the banner of religious liberty, Congress is nearing approval of a law that could make it harder to use zoning laws to save landmarked churches and church property from the wrecking ball. Senators Edward Kennedy and Orrin Hatch have rallied behind this bill -- known as the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act -- as a way to remedy abuses against religious groups by zoning boards. But it tilts the balance in favor of church administrators who may wish to use their properties for development and against local communities that may wish to preserve things as they are.
Many New Yorkers retain bitter memories of the battle over the plan by St. Bartholomew's Episcopal Church to build a 47-story tower on its historic site -- a proposal rejected by the city and eventually by the courts. As presently written, this new bill raises fears among landmark experts and local governments around the country that it will lead to renewed efforts to destroy historic sites, as well as to the costly court battles that inevitably follow. Mayor Rudolph Giuliani wrote New York's senators this week criticizing the bill and warning that it "would 'federalize' an area which is inherently a matter of local concern," normally a rallying point for conservative Republicans.
The primary purpose of the bill is to limit the power of zoning boards to interfere with the practice of religion. (italics mine) Some local boards, for example, have tried to deny religious groups permits to feed the homeless. One Mississippi zoning ordinance denied a permit for an Islamic Center in an area where there were Christian churches. Episodes like these warrant concern. But in seeking to provide a remedy, the bill would allow churches to sidestep even the most basic zoning requirements.
New York's Senators Charles Schumer and Daniel Patrick Moynihan have been desperately trying to provide balance by clarifying the bill's vague language(italics mine) and attaching its legislative history. Such modifications could help, but the first responsibility of Congress is to slow things down and allow for hearings on a complicated matter that has received not nearly enough public debate about its potential consequences.(italics mine)


By An occurence of a pastor of the quaking aspens on Saturday, February 3, 2001 - 03:00 pm:

Without having to look, can someone tell me if a church can be built anywhere in Keweenaw, in any zoned district?

The Church of the Almighty Pine Tree has filed suit in federal court because they wish to use all 200 million federally owned acres to worship the pine tree in America. The suit is based on their first amendment rights. Another church has filed suit because their building permit has been denied repreatedly because of the ESA...

It's the law
Nevertheless, the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000 is now the law of the land. The law's general rule is: "No government shall impose or implement a land use regulation in a manner that imposes a substantial burden on the religious exercise of a person, including a religious assembly or institution, unless the government demonstrates that imposition of the burden on that person, assembly, or institution:
* is in furtherance of a compelling state interest, and
* is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.
Also, the law prohibits a government from imposing or implementing a land use regulation that:
* totally excludes religious assemblies from a jurisdiction, or
* unreasonably limits religious assemblies, institutions, or structures within a jurisdiction.
as sure as the sun rises in the east, litigation will result from this new federal statute. In the meantime, your land use regulation wizards should be aware of the new federal statute.


By The cap on Gottwald's head on Saturday, February 3, 2001 - 10:17 am:

Lolli-pop,

The rumor is that President Bush has stated his support for full funding of the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF), and Ms. Norton has echoed this support. However, President Bush has indicated that his support is primarily for the state side component of this important land acquisition and protection program.

Keweenaw has become interested in saving lands. Keweenaw has begun work on land use planning. It would be interesting to hear, and a benefit to all, to hear many viewpoints on the various questions regarding these topics.

For instance:
Does the government have a right to block all use of person's property through regulation? Can zoning have the same effect as using money from the LWCF to protect areas from development?

Based on the Lucas decision, landowners are not entitled to compensation from governmental regulation, unless and until it deprives them of "all economically beneficial use of the property." This is the current judicial definition of a regulatory taking. A total loss requires compensation; a 95 percent loss generates nothing. True?

On the federal level, congressional bills have been introduced that entitle landowners to compensation for partial reductions in property values. The measures are limited to takings to protect wetlands, endangered species and federal water rights. To date, these bills have not been enacted into law. True?

There is supposed to be a list of willing sellers of property that the Land and Water Conservation Fund would affect. What defines a willing seller? Two ways a willing seller could be defined are: 1) an actual willing seller. 2) a willing seller who can not, and does not want to fight a condemnation in court. 3) ?

How does a property owner become a willing seller? Can the government, federal, state, local become a property buyer? Does a property owner, willing to sell property to a government have to go through a formal condemnation for technical purposes?

No compensation is due, though, if the landowner was never entitled to use the land in the manner restricted by the regulation. True?


Michigan does not currently have a takings bill. However, a bill was introduced in the 1995 legislative session that would require agencies to assess regulatory actions prior to taking such action. True?

Litost and bare feet, dangling off a dock, the struggle of memory against forgetting.


By The Lolli-pop Guild on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 07:51 pm:

Hey, they mapped the human genome so what next!

In the U.S. House of Representatives, representative Patrick J. Kennedy is the sponsor of H.R. 358:To authorize appropriations for the Blackstone River Valley National Heritage Corridor in Massachusetts and Rhode Island, and for other purposes.
Sounds like something that money from the shelf would accomplish.


By The Gods Must Be Crazy II on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 03:49 pm:

Oh yeah, WE came across this one too. A Sumerian variation on being a slave of "The Matrix". Pleasant Dreams Primates!
1/30/01 Alien Zoo article by Michael Brownlee.
Excerpt from The Shock of Extraterrestrial Reality. http://alienzoo.com/features/a/200101300001.cfm


Shaking the foundations
There is little doubt that coming to grips with the reality and nature of the extraterrestrial presence in the world will be a profound shock to many people, a challenge unlike anything we have ever faced in modern times. But there is much more to come, for once we have begun to accept the reality of ET/human interaction, we will have opened the door to being forced to redefine ourselves, our origins, and even life itself.
In the conclusion of his most recent book, Rule by Secrecy: The Hidden History that Connects the Trilateral Commission, the Freemasons, and the Great Pyramids (HarperCollins, 2000), bestselling author Jim Marrs boldly unveils the "Secret of Secrets," the hidden knowledge of mystery schools and secret societies both ancient and modern, now being revealed for us all to reckon with:

"Not only is humankind not alone in the universe but nonhuman intelligences most probably had a hand in our creation."

This idea may seem startling at first, even farfetched, but it is based on nearly three decades of extensive research pioneered by scholar Zechariah Sitchin, world-renowned for his ability to directly translate ancient languages.
As a schoolboy studying Hebrew, Sitchin was fascinated by ancient Old Testament accounts of the Nefilim, the "sons of God" who allegedly came down to earth and "went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown" (Genesis 6:4).
His curiosity ultimately led him to examine and retranslate some 4,000 archeological artifacts from the first documented human civilization, Sumer, which was born some 6,000 years ago in what is now Iraq. As recounted in his landmark series of books, The Earth Chronicles, Sitchin came to staggering conclusions, all based in painstaking study of the ancient Sumerian records:

The appearance of our species, Homo sapiens, is the result of genetic engineering of primitive hominid species by extraterrestrial beings, the Nefilim/Anunnaki (and perhaps other races), who combined their own genetic material with pre-humans to develop a servile race. This process began nearly 450,000 years ago.
Both our ancient mythical gods and our Old Testament divinity were actually flesh-and-blood humanoid beings of nonterrestrial origin, the original Anunnaki rulers and their progeny.
Early humans were obliged to work for their gods as slaves. "The term that is commonly translated as 'worship,'" says Sitchin, "was in fact avod – 'work.'" In other words, ancient and biblical man did not worship their gods; he worked for them.
Our religious beliefs and institutions, as well as our governmental, economic, and military structures, are deeply rooted in and modeled after the systems inherited from our ET ancestors.


The first human civilization, which suddenly appeared in Sumer 6,000 years ago – bringing with it the first written language on the planet, advanced mathematics, sophisticated astronomical knowledge, as well as unprecedented culture – was constructed according to detailed instructions delivered by the Anunnaki "gods." Thus, human civilization was directly inspired by extraterrestrials.
Revising human history
With Sitchin's discoveries, archeology has been revolutionized over the last 25 years, but the implications have yet to reach most humans. They will. And while these claims may at first seem too fantastic to even consider, it is now apparent that the evidence supporting these radical conclusions is massive and must be carefully evaluated.
With the work of Sitchin – along with those who have continued what he began, including Alan F. Alford, R.A. Boulay, Neil Freer, Dr. Arthur David Horn, Dr. Joe Lewels, C.L. Turnage, Lloyd Pye, Sir Laurence Gardner, and William Bramley – we are now witnessing a profound challenge to both the Creationist and Darwinist paradigms.
These writers all point to the reality that in our ancient past humanity has been essentially a slave race and is still suffering psychologically and spiritually from the effects of our domination. The underlying structures of this slavery still persists in many of our institutions. They also concur that the truth of our identity, genetic origins, and history has been kept hidden – as a way of keeping humanity ignorant and under control.
It is already evident that the ancient Sumerian records revealing the lineage of Anunnaki rulers, their progeny, and the subsequent interbreeding between human and ET races will also revolutionize our understanding of religious history. Sitchin reports that Yahweh of the Old Testament was probably an extraterrestrial (Anunnaki) ruler, Enlil, who was angered by human rebellion against their enslavement and his control.
In fact, to Sitchin, the entire story of the Garden of Eden seems to be a creatively rewritten account of early Anunnaki efforts to breed a new race of beings who could perform the bulk of the labor on Earth, serving the needs and wishes of the Anunnaki. That plan ultimately failed, and the human propensity for independence eventually became troublesome for our ET ancestors. The Garden of Eden was abandoned.
Sitchin notes that at the time of the original translation of the Sumerian cuneiform, beginning some 150 years ago, DNA and the genetic code had not yet been discovered. Thus much of what was revealed in those ancient records was unintelligible to the first translators. Since then, we ourselves have begun to develop the technology of genetic manipulation described in detail in the ancient Sumerian record.
But when the first human "test tube baby" was born in 1978, Sitchin saw his conclusions being validated by modern genetics. "Adam was the first test tube baby," he enthusiastically declared, pointing to the Sumerian accounts of the initial genetic laboratory experiments that produced early humans.
Embracing the new paradigm
The understanding that Sitchin has uncovered will be profoundly disorienting for many to deal with, for it will overthrow the ways we think of ourselves and our place in the universe. The picture that is emerging from these studies provides the foundation for a radical reinterpretation of human origins, which will become part of the new paradigm. We stand on the threshold of that paradigm now.
That this new understanding is not widely promulgated or at least thoroughly debated in the scientific community is compelling testimony to human resistance to even consider the evidence. Our understanding of human origins may have already been in effect overturned, but the majority of the scientific community (and of course the religious community) is still in pronounced denial, unwilling to engage in debate. Desperately hoping the issue will go away, they ignore it.
But the issue of our origins will not go away. Nor will the extraterrestrials in our midst.
It is not my intention here to recount the details of the emerging (Sitchin) paradigm or to persuade anyone of its accuracy. My main purpose is to propose that many of our most deeply cherished assumptions and beliefs will inevitably be challenged and perhaps ultimately discarded, and to suggest that this will be a powerful catalyst for both human tribulation and transformation, preparing the way for sweeping change in our world.
This is apparently a necessary process in order for humanity to become genetically enlightened, as Freer says, free of the "godspell," the effect of the ancient, subservient master-slave attitude that is deeply interwoven in the fabrics of both Eastern and Western culture:

"The godspell is the obsequious, subservient attitude toward the 'gods' we were programmed and conditioned to when the Nefilim were here and which has evolved into the same slave mentality toward 'God,' Allah, Jehovah, the deity of your choice, which are all sublimations of the ancient Annunaki/Nefilim."

Like it or not, we are being thrust headlong into species adulthood, and many of our childhood and adolescent misconceptions, fantasies, misperceptions, and hopes will not survive the transition. The sooner we learn to let them go, and to allow ourselves to grow and change, the less painful the process will be.
Our evolutionary progress and our ability to meet the challenge of the current extraterrestrial intervention (apparently unrelated to our ancestry) depend on our gaining a more realistic understanding of our true identity, genetic origins, and history.
The stakes are high. In God Games, Neil Freer unequivocally points to our evolutionary task:

"Only by regaining our true species identity and a generic definition of human nature will we attain the global unity and unassailable integrity that will allow us to interact with an alien culture no matter how strange. Without prejudicial religious or cultural filters, we will be able to know what is good or bad for us and able to understand what is good or bad for the alien species. We may not be accepted into stellar society until we reach that level of species maturity. Because it restores our true history to us, the new paradigm brings a previously unattainable unassailable integrity, individually and as a race, which will be essential to entering into direct contact with alien species – either in the future or with one that is already here on the planet."

Contact with intelligent extraterrestrial life is occurring now. We must know who they are, why they are here, and how to respond to them. In order to do so, we must better understand ourselves and accept our ancient heritage.
How we respond to these profound challenges may well determine the future of the human species in the Greater Community of life.


By Texas Round-up on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 03:27 pm:

The Gods must be crazy,
How big is the head of the pin that could contain all of the human population of the world?
I read somewhere that the entire population of the world could be contained within the state of Texas, around 22,000 people per square mile. Imagine a football stadium, certainly under a square mile, with a large vacant hole in the center, and 100,000 fans seated around doing the wave. Now, if the entire population of the world could be contained within the state of Texas, and at 22,000 people per square mile, I think the idea of human over-population is another sky-falling cry. I know it's probably hard not to buy into the over-populated earth thesis while stuck in rush hour traffic and you would like to catch the last half of Oprah; but, with everyone in Texas, that certainly leaves a lot of land area for food production, no?

P.S. Now with everyone in Texas, all need be done if post a few birds on the perimeter to keep everyone off the rest of the world and the world can be diversely biosphere-d
Without any mention of humans.


By Heinrich Gladney on Friday, February 2, 2001 - 12:59 pm:

Whoa! Surfer dude!
You mean that Old Man's Beard grows all over the frickin' place? And here I left the theatre with the impression that it only grew up there at the tip of the peninsula.

Well, I guess if the radio says it will rain by two o'clock, and something that looks like rain is happening at noon, then it ain't really raining then, eh?

But since Science refuses to explain the why it happened, to explain the uncaused cause, so many of us will go looking for the truth both on the radio, and where the uttered woird may be. No?


By Keweenaw Bay Surfer Dude on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 10:23 pm:

What is The Matrix?

Morpheus: A computer generated dreamworld built to keep us under control in order to change a human being into this:

coppertop2.gif


Neo: Whoa...a COPPERTOP!

ps to Heinrich: Old-man's Beard(Usnea barbata). Described by Theophrastus in 300 B.C. as being a hair-growth stimulant. Look out Cy Sperling! Now if we can only find a fad diet lichen we're in the money, we're in the money...

By Heinrich Gladney on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 09:51 pm:

I wonder how many species that are now endangered or threatened were ever thriving and prosperous? I came across a list of endangered species for Michigan (and I think Michigan also has 18 species from the federal list) but like that moss we have hanging from the trees at the point, the moss we learned about at the meeting at the theatre in December, could many of these species actually be short on the populated end of the stick to begin with?

This "spanish moss" stuff we have hanging around here is in such short supply, anyway. I don't know if it is on the list of endangered/threatened species. Anyone remember what that stuff was called?


By Michael Bonner on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 03:41 pm:

Gilbert Hollandersky,Gordon Southworth,Amerigo Vespucci Jr., Jack Smookler

Since I too, am an American citizen, I would like to contribute to the debate the four of you have engaged. One point I would like to address is the language in the CARA,2000 bill contained funding in the amount of $200,000,000.00 (two hundred million dollars) for PILT (payments in lieu of taxes). Gilbert, I believe it was you who brought this to our attention.

Now, my math may not contain as much chicken-scratch as some of the more important looking equations I've been unable to decipher or decode, but when I place that number alongside the map that was posted by Amerigo, my forehead wrinkles, my eyes squint and begin to water, and I can't help but wonder just what in thee _ell those rapscallions in Washington are up to.

I realize it is only an elementary school problem: On one side of the scale we have 192,000,000 federally owned forests and grasslands. On the other side of the scale we have $200,000,000 in PILTs.

And we want to add to the list of gov-ment owned lands!

Can you see the problem I am having? Unless my math needs some correcting, and since Mrs. Gaffney has gone on to instruct the angels in algebra (so I'm SOL), then I would say that the federal gov'mint is paying the local economies a little over one dollar an acre in taxes. Is this per year? Course, maybe since that CARA, 2000 didn't make it out intact, the alternative was better? Or should I assume that the gov'mint realized the error in this mathematical equation and added funding to cover this shortsighted mistake.


By Albert Hayes, Ph.d. on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 02:20 pm:

I would like to add to the on-going property rights debate. Those colleagues of mine who traditionally work behind the scenes, who are wasting their time by cooperatively, who are pushing their agenda,without controversy or confrontation, may be upset with me, but here goes:

The context of the current debate should be over the meaning of private property. That there is no specific language in the funding language is for the simple reason that the founding fathers concept of private property is outdated. Their focus was human rights. Today, the focus, though not spelled out for all to see is Creation Rights. Private property is not private! Only the government has the right to decide what can and can not be done on public and private land. The fact of the matter is that the founding fathers' view on property rights is the extremist view.

While my colleagues would prefer that I remain silent, I refuse to do so anymore. Yes, there are
Other interests, who wish to extirpate man from the planet, or at least, the unenlightened ones. I believe my colleagues and I have the best interests, the common interests in view. And we believe that most Americans want what we want--all the polls tell us so--and it is only natural, moral, and right, that they would want what we want.

That there are "extremists" or environmental wackos should alert you to the possibility that what I am saying is true, and being true, please consider the possibility that this scenario is not only on the horizon, but here and now, in your yard. As the saying goes, Get used to it!

By the way, since it is "creation rights", get used to the idea that we will also want notification of your intent to enter our property so we can accompany you on your snowshoe trek and ensure that you do not step on any plants those nasty and too abundantly hungry deer haven't already munched into oblivion.


By The Gods Must Be Crazy on Thursday, February 1, 2001 - 11:33 am:

Speaking of endangered species, biodiversity and such, here's an interesting perspective we came across while surveying your planet for our coming biomass harvest:

The Evolution of Gods
YOWUSA.COM, January 28, 2001
Steve Russell, Earth SIG Moderator
http://www.yowusa.com/Archive/January2001/evolution_of_gods/evolution_of_gods.htm

Have you ever wondered where the human species came from? Science has drawn a line in the sand and called one side Creation, the other Evolution. The debate over which theory is correct, sends the scientists into an eternal spin where each have their own true and false statements depending on who is doing the writing and who is doing the interpreting.
Science is never complete or absolute. As Einstein says, "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction". Similarly, for every theorem that science has written, an opposite can be written to disprove the other, resulting in endless insensible debates.
For questions like the ones raised above, we need to step back from ourselves and look closely at our surroundings and deep within ourselves. There we will learn the true meaning of what it is to be human, our effects on our natural surroundings, and our future as the most dominant species on Earth.

In The Beginning
If you were asked to identify which country still harbours the most elaborate ecosystem consisting of a variety of small and large animals, jungles and savannas, one would have to answer Africa, the human species birthplace.
Given that the Earth was once covered with these same animals and millions of other mega-fauna species, an interesting question is; what happened throughout the rest of the world to eradicate the larger mammals?
Archaeological evidence shows that there is a direct link between the human expansion out of Africa, and the loss of large species around the world. America was once home to mammoths, sabre tooth cats, ground sloths weighing over three ton, and beavers the size of bears. These and many other animals were all believed to have been killed by hungry migrating humans.
If this was truly the case, two valid questions come to mind. Why is Africa still littered with such animals if this is where we all lived for thousands of years? In addition, how could mere humans travelling on foot with only rocks and spears have such a detrimental effect to the rest of the world's animal population?
During our life spent in Africa, we were successfully evolving alongside the other peaceful animals. As we slowly developed our hunting skills, the animals quickly learnt that we were an enemy to be feared, and knew to flee when they spotted us. After becoming over populated, we spread out across the world to find new homes and easier prey. The animals living in other parts of the world were completely oblivious as to what humans were and what they were now capable of doing. The animals were easy prey against the human hunting machines that had begun taking over the world.
We had the advantages of being completely localised in our beginning and the ability to spread quickly over vast distances, and we were able to fashion instruments of destruction to enhance our superior predatory instincts. These initial signs of superiority significantly characterise a distinction between humans and animals, one that we are exploiting to this very moment in history.

Power and Pace of Our Population
Before the advent of humans, the inhabitants of the Earth experienced five great mass extinctions according to the fossil record. The last of these was caused by a meteor impact that killed off the dinosaurs, 65 million years ago. Many distinguished people now believe that the consequences of human activity, represents the biological equivalent of a modern-day meteor impact.
By studying the fossil record and vast numbers of carefully recorded extinctions in our recent past, we have been able to predicate the rate at which extinctions have been occurring. What the evidence shows, is that extinction rates are now 100 to 1000 times higher due to the spread of humans over the Earth.
Given that the last five mass extinctions took place over thousands of years, the next great extinction could happen over just 100 years. We could go the way of the Do-do bird in only a single human's lifetime. No other species in all of nature's wonderful creations has had such an awesomely detrimental effect on the state of the planet.
It took all of human history for our population to total one billion. It then took only 130 years to reach two billion in 1930. Our third billion was achieved in just 30 years, and the fourth billion in only 15 years. We now total approximately 6 billion people. The night view of Earth above shows where we are most commonly populated.
To get this populated and advanced, we have been following an instinctive plan that has been etched into the very fabric of who we are.

The Human Plan
Nature herself causes many ecological disasters that destroy thousands of animals and plants. However, these natural events are all small and localised against the backdrop of the entire Earth. The continuous cycle of life and death allows Earth to recover quickly from the wrath of nature. However, humans change things permanently.
The human species is following a five-step plan that is being increasingly boosted by population growth that will soon achieve biological annihilation.
In order to supply the demand from our population, we are over harvesting our natural resources before they have enough time to reproduce sufficiently.
Our ability to travel internationally allows us to bring new species of animals, plants and disease to parts of the world untouched by such species. Many of the worlds quarantine and customs systems are inadequate to stop the hazardous spread of foreign species not designed by nature to be introduced.
The Hawaiian Islands were once home to more unique species than any other group of islands on Earth. Since human contact and the introduction of killer snails, rats, pigs etc, hundreds of native species simply no longer exist. It has become severely impoverished and serves as an example of the Earths predicament in miniature.
The worst step of all is the destruction of habitat. Our ingenious chainsaws, bulldozers, backhoes and other instruments of destruction, causes more damage than any other human activity.
During the destruction of habitat phase, in our occasional generosity we leave small patches of forest for the animals to live. These undisturbed pieces of land are the result of what is called islandization. This simplification of the ecosystem is having damaging effects on the species trying to survive in their small cramped homes.
The ant bird for example, follows the trail of army ants to eat the insects they dig up from the ground foliage. These ants require a large area to find enough insects to survive. Naturally, they will go anywhere to find this food, even if it means going out of the small boundary of forest. However, the ant birds are too cautious and will not follow the ants out of the confines of the forest. They simply die of starvation. Even a simple road encircling a forest is enough to isolate this bird. Our scattered nature reserves are also in effect, merely islands.
The last step is pollution. The majority of our pollution is only damaging local areas. However, our greenhouse gases that reach the atmosphere are having global consequences.
These five activities unique to the human species are having a measurable unnatural effect on the bio-diversity of this planet. How severe is this damage really?

Damaging Bio-Diversity
After observing the wildlife of Africa, it may appear that the majority of species there consist of the larger mammals. However, after studies were conducted to focus on the smaller species, 50% found were completely new to science. The vast number of distinct species was overwhelming.
When scouring the forests for new species, we could only search up to a few feet above the ground until recently. Only now have we found ways of discovering and examining the life high up in the roof of the rainforests. Similarly, the depths of our discoveries underwater are severely limited due to the extreme pressure of the water. Oceans cover two thirds of the planet, meaning there is an abundance of life below we do not know about.
We have successfully managed to name approximately 1.5 million species. The bio-diversity on Earth is estimated to consist of up to 100 million species. If we are currently witnessing a dramatic and damaging loss of life in the mere 1% of known species, how can we expect to accurately measure the true effects of the human species? The damage from humans must be far greater than we truly understand. We must be losing species of life right now that we have never seen or understood.

The Nature of Humans
Since we are superior to all other creatures, one would assume humans to be the oldest creature and thus the most developed. However, the Bible and science both agree that we are latecomers to the Earth. We are only the last few pages in history. We defy the evolutionary process that governs the development of all other species.
Humans are conclusively different from all of natures other truly wonderful creatures. No other species on Earth is capable of achieving the incredible accomplishments of the human race. No other species have landed themselves on the moon, examined the sights of every planet in our solar system, or been able to play god by recreating themselves by means other than sexual or asexual reproduction. We appear to be unconventional anomalies in a master plan that has been disturbed.
Every species on Earth has a natural instinct to preserve the harmonious coexistence between themselves and their surroundings. Humans on the other hand, behave like a disease, continually spreading out, reproducing, feeding and destroying until all natural resources have been consumed. The interests of humans and the interests of nature seem to be conflicting paradoxes.
How, in the natural course of evolution, could we have possibly evolved into this? All other creatures have gradually evolved with periodic enhancements that allow them to survive without destroying everything around them. They have been provided with a safe level of intelligence, not a level that is dangerous to nature, like we currently exhibit. How could all these uniquely human traits have possibly occurred naturally? They do not benefit nature in any way, shape, or form.

The Heavenly Plan
Genesis 1:26-28: "And now we will make human beings; they will be like us and resemble us. They will have power over the fish, the birds, and all animals, domestic and wild, large and small." So God created human beings, making them to be like himself. He created them male and female, blessed them, and said, "Have many children, so that your descendants will live all over the earth and bring it under their control. "
The Bible explicitly states our purpose; to populate the entire Earth until we have taken control over nature herself and she is at our mercy. We only have to look at what we have done to the bio-diversity on this planet to see that we have successfully accomplished this task. Our next natural progression will be to evolve spiritually or we may destroy ourselves through overpopulation and have to start the domineering process all over again.
In the nature of life, only introduced species have the kind of domineering effect on an ecosystem that we have. Thus, our behaviour is no different. We are essentially an introduced species to Earth. Our superior intelligence, aggressive viral instincts, and spiritual souls given to us by the gods have enabled us to fulfil our purpose.
It important to note that Gods speech used plural terms such as "us" and "we" when referring to what has been mistakenly interpreted as only God himself. This use of language hints at a controversial sign that there was more than one God involved in our creation. The Bible states that we were created in the image of the gods, however it does not specify just how similar we are.
The ancient Sumerian texts that every piece of religious material can be traced back to, also states that there were many gods responsible for the creation of humans. The Sumerians were the first organised civilisation on Earth. Their list of firsts make it overwhelming to think how their knowledge could be so extensive, considering their civilisation appeared overnight in relation to all other biological evolutions. Sumerian knowledge consisted of:

Agriculture
Kilns for the reinforcing and firing of bricks
Anatomy
Law codes and social reforms
Art
Medical practices of "therapy", "surgery" and "commands and incantations".
Astronomy
Metallurgy
Building constructions
Music
Calendars
Petroleum products for bitumen, waterproofing, caulking, painting, cementing and moulding.
Cosmogony
Printing
Cosmology
Sexagesimal mathematical defining the 360-degree circle, the foot and its 12 inches and the "dozen" as a unit of measure.
Dance
Schools
Deep-water seafaring
Textiles and clothing
Historians
Writing

If we are to believe our wise ancestors, we were created by the "Anunnaki", literarily meaning "Those Who from Heaven to Earth Came". The Sumerians believed these gods were a race of humans from which we were created and where their knowledge came from. It is the only plausible explanation for the astounding Sumerian knowledge, especially of the solar system, which they could count and describe every planet including Pluto. If this is true, that our creators were merely technology-advanced humans, the religious factions in the world have no need to worry. For somewhere out there and within ourselves, is the God that created the universe. We know that God loves us all, because he allows us to live amongst his creations. He allows us to have a future.

The Future of Gods
From our humble beginnings in earthly structures built from the materials of Earth, to our future homes in space built from materials of the stars, we have been created by and for greatness.
Our physical stature of strengths and mental capacities for knowledge has provided us with the tools for dominating our corner of the universe. Our most credible scientists like Stephen Hawking are telling us that we must colonise other planets like Mars if we are to continue surviving as a species.
Hopefully our past, present and future missions to Mars will have provided us with a priceless understanding of this alien environment. By understanding Mars now, before human contact, we will be able to measure and quantify our effects with more success. This should enable us to take better care of our new home, in our next stage of enlightenment.
Since we will be the ones to bring abundant life to this barren planet, we as gods will have more control over life than we do today here on Earth. As the master plan continues, we will become like the gods that created us. However, if we do not take this final opportunity to grow spiritually, we will fail. For to become as gods, we must each find God.


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