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The Cliffs    ...scroll down to share comments
Photo by Paul Brandes
Marsh in Front of the Cliffs    ...scroll down to share comments
Photo by Paul Brandes
View from UP on the Cliffs    ...scroll down to share comments
Photo by Paul Brandes
Boiler Stack from Cliff Mine #4    ...scroll down to share comments
Photo by Paul Brandes
Cliff Mine Site    ...click to play video
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By
Mary Drew at Pasty Central (Mdrew) on Monday, August 19, 2019 - 09:29 pm:

Known as the Cliffs, near Phoenix, MI, these rocky hills are an attraction for snowmobiliers, four-wheelers and rock climbers alike. Paul and Nathanlie Brandes (Capt. Paul and Dr. Nat) explored around the Cliffs area on their recent visit and share these photos with us today. Views looking up, views looking around and views looking down, none of which do it justice like standing in those spots in person will do, but they are a pretty close second. The fourth shot is what remains of the boiler stack from Cliff Mine #4 there. Back in the 1840’s this was the first successful copper mine in the Copper Country and was the most productive copper mine in the United States from 1845 to 1854. It continued to produce copper under various owners through 1887, but not as large scale as those earlier years. Total production from this mine was 38.2 million pounds of refined copper.

We get to go on a Cliff Mine Tour, courtesy of a video from the ClffMap Project. It’s touted as an introductory video for anyone visiting the Cliff Mine site.


By D. A. (Midwested) on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 12:14 am:

Beautiful pictures.

Is it possible to drive an ATV to the top, or at least get close?


By Capt. Paul (Eclogite) on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 08:37 am:

We drove our Jeep Wrangler up to the top overlook with no problems.


By Donna (Donna) on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 08:39 am:

I think Capt. Paul and Dr. Nat need to live back up
here!!

Isn't there a Jewish Cemetery up on the cliffs
someplace?


By jbuck (Jbuck) on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 10:15 am:

Donna,
The only cemetery i'm aware of in the area is this one: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/722/cliff-catholic-cemetery


By Dale Beitz (Dbeitz) on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 11:43 am:

Donna, there is a cemetery right at the base of
the cliffs, commonly called the Protestant
cemetery. The Catholic cemetery that jbuck
mentioned is slightly further away closer to
Phoenix. Visit this site
for slightly more detail: https://99wfmk.com/old-
miners-graves-cliff-mine/


By Capt. Paul (Eclogite) on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 11:49 am:

By Donna (Donna) on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 08:39 am:

I think Capt. Paul and Dr. Nat need to live back up
here!!


Well Donna, we are currently working on that..... ;-)

As far as I know, there are only two cemeteries around Cliff; the Catholic one off US41 (also known as the Hillside Cemetery) and the Protestant one off Cliff Drive and across Eagle River. I do not know of any Jewish cemeteries in the area of Cliff, but some people swear one exists.


By Alex "UP-Goldwinger" (Alex) on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 02:28 pm:

The pix are bursting with UP color...what a treat.


By jbuck (Jbuck) on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 07:24 pm:

Yes, beautiful shots of the area! I'd be planning to move back too!

How much taller was the stack originally?


By J T (Jtinchicago) on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 08:14 pm:

Greetings:

There probably is a Jewish cemetery in the Copper Country but I don't think that there was one at the base of the Cliffs. I would have to do some serious research.

Hancock had the Temple Jacob (Jacob Gartner) and per their sequence, a cemetery was first on the list.

Since there were Jewish families in Houghton / Hancock up to Calumet / Mohawk I would think that the Boston area would be the place to look.

See (> https://www.michjewishhistory.org/assets/docs/Journals/Michigan_Jewish_History_1998_11.pdf <)

JT


By Donna (Donna) on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - 09:01 am:

Thank you everyone...and Capt...come on HOME!!!

I HAVE heard folks talk about the Jewish cem up
there...it's hiding, not many know about it...but
it's there!


By Paul Schultz (Payce) on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - 12:53 pm:

Where do you access the trail that goes back to the mine ruins as shown in the video.


By jbuck (Jbuck) on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - 08:35 pm:

Here is the Jewish cemetery in the area: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2375093/congregation-peniel-jewish-cemetery


By J T (Jtinchicago) on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - 09:31 pm:

Thank you JBuck:

I believe that you have found the cemetery.

8 out of the 10 graves fit the time slot (1880-1940), and the cemetery seems to be about the right distance by horse and cart to bury the dead.

It does not exclude that there might be another Jewish cemetery in the Copper Country but I kind of doubt there is.

There just weren't a lot of Copper Country Jewish citizens to support one of the 12 tribes let alone two or three tribes.

JT


By jbuck (Jbuck) on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - 09:46 pm:

If you read the death certificates for the Altmans and Lizzie Sharp you'll see they were all from Russia and died from drowning on the same day. It looks like it says from a burning steamer on Lake Superior. From my research it looks like it may have been:

List of shipwrecks: 10 May 1901, Bon Voyage, United States

The steamer caught fire between Ontonagon, Michigan and Hancock. She was beached and burned to the waterline.


By J T (Jtinchicago) on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - 10:22 pm:

Thank you JBuck:

I wonder if "fire" in English sounds like "stay in your cabin" in Russian?

Perhaps the Russian individuals did not have a rudimentary understanding of English. Many came to this country knowing only their native language.

It begs the question where was the ship, Bon Voyage, and the Russians headed to.

I'm assuming that the Altman's and Ms. Sharp were not residents of the Copper Country, but simply died and were buried on land as close as possible per their religion.

Thank you again, for digging in to the history. Funny how an unknown cemetery location quandary could turn into a fact finding mission.

JT


By jbuck (Jbuck) on Thursday, August 22, 2019 - 02:04 pm:

JT, you may be right about the language barrier. Here's the rest of the story:

The Bon Voyage was originally built in 1891 by Rogers and Bird in Saugatuck, Michigan. The wooden propeller vessel was the sister ship to the “Bon Ami.” She operated the first season on the Rochester and Thousand Islands route. On May 10, 1901, the vessel caught fire on Lake Superior, six miles northwest of the Portage Ship Canal entry. She was traveling along shore near Houghton, MI, when the vessel caught fire. Passengers attempted to swim to shore, but unfortunately two women and two children drowned. The first reports listed the lives lost at five, but it was later determined only four perished. All of those who passed away came from the Altman family of Laurium, MI. The vessel was beached near Red Ridge, Michigan, and her machinery was later removed by Clow & Nicholson, of Duluth, Minnesota. On June 20, 1901, the vessel was surrendered and final enrollment recorded in Duluth, MN.


By J T (Jtinchicago) on Thursday, August 22, 2019 - 06:11 pm:

Greetings JBuck and all:

Thank you JBuck for looking in to the last trip of the Bon Voyage. My internet skills need lots of time to find things.

On the find-a-grave website for the Jewish cemetery outside of Calumet did you notice how many of tombstones were of very young children.

The city where I grew up had an Angel Hill section of the public cemetery (all denominations) that was only for children. I assumed all these years that the graves were holding graves until the parents had a plot for the family.

Next time I'm in the Calumet area I'll look for the Congregation Peniel Cemetery and see if there is an adult graveyard nearby.

The Jewish cemetery is just a hop West from the former Homestead Bar. A place that I have wanted to see what 50 "Winters" has done to the place.

JT


By FRNash/PHX, AZ (Frnash) on Thursday, August 22, 2019 - 07:10 pm:

By J T (Jtinchicago) on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - 10:22 pm:
… I wonder if "fire" in English sounds like "stay in your cabin" in Russian?

Well, "asbestos" I can tell, no!

Not in Russian:
EnglishRussianPronounced
FIRE!ПОЖАР!POZHAR!
STAY IN YOUR CABIN!ОСТАВАЙЕСЬ В СВОЕЙ КАЮТЕ!OSTAVAYYES' V SVOYEY KAYUTE!

… nor in Hebrew
(sorry, no help with the pronunciation):
EnglishHebrew
FIRE!!אש
STAY IN YOUR CABIN!!הישאר בתא שלך

… nor in Yiddish:
EnglishYiddishPronounced
FIRE!FIRE!FIRE!
STAY IN YOUR CABIN!!בלייבן אין דיין קאַבינעטBLEYBN IN DEN KABINET!


Now that was a bit of a silly exercise, though quite an interesting challenge!

Some unresolved issues:
1. Using a smaller text size within the tables:
The formatting tags for text size (\-1{} and \-2{}) if used outside a table never had any effect on the cells in the table, so they had to be applied in each and every cell of the table. (What tedious pain in the corporeal sitting-down apparatus!) Now these two formatting tags don't appear to work in each cell either! <Arrgh!>

2. Effecting the proper "right alignment" for the table elements written in the Hebrew Alphabet:
There appears to be no way to effect the proper alignment for the Hebrew and Yiddish bits written in the Hebrew alphabet — which is written from right to left! <Arrgh!>

I could accomplish that effect (or at least yield that appearance) by prepending the Hebrew text in each cell (on the left) with a suitable number of ("invisible") characters in the same color as the background text, thus shifting the substantive text to the right, but there is no formatting tag for text color that matches the unique background color used herein. <Arrgh!>
By
jbuck (Jbuck) on Friday, August 23, 2019 - 09:58 pm:

One last comment JT ~
The information in Find A Grave is user entered. The entries in a cemetery are almost never complete - not even including active cemeteries. So there very well could be many more graves in the cemetery, including many adults, which have not been put in yet. The 10 memorials have been entered by 3 or 4 different people. All the pages with headstone photographs were done by the same person in 2010, so maybe those are all that are readable. Whatever the case, it will be interesting to hear what you find when you go looking!


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